2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumImportant Information about voting for Bernie in California:*2nd EDIT:
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Cross posted from the California and Bernie groups:
ON EDIT: THE GRAPHIC IS WRONG: MUST REGISTER AS DEMOCRAT! Also see:
Make sure your voter registration is correct and accurate!
Make sure your correct and CURRENT address is listed!
<b>Make sure your party is DEMOCRAT only! The graphic is incorrect with that info I have been told.<b/>
Make sure the name on the voter registration form is EXACT match to your driver's license or other ID
Make sure your Driver's license is at your CURRENT address! (Pull it out of your wallet now and double check,
you'd be surprised at what you forget!)
DOUBLE check online, including close to the deadline to make sure nothing happens in between!
THERE have been irregularities in almost EVERY state to date, of ALL KINDS. Who knows what may happen. The people of California deserve to be heard in a free, fair and honest election and Bernie has vowed to stay in it so you will be! Keep this bumped, and share the info widely online and elsewhere.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)When you register or re-register, DO NOT check any box with the word "Independent" in it. (That's an easier rule to remember.) ONLY check the box for "NO PARTY PREFERENCE" (which used to be known as "Decline to state" or Democratic Party.
The deadline for registration is MAY 23 (for the June 7 primary).
cui bono
(19,926 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Do you know anything about this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1040&pid=13674
???
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Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)If you're registered "No Party Preference" you need to REQUEST A DEMOCRATIC PARTY BALLOT (or else you will be sent a ballot on lesser offices with no Dem candidates on your ballot).
See my posts below!
I have failed to state this in my posts. I just found it at CA Sec of State web site.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Also, you may not qualify for a mail-in ballot if you register or re-register in May. (In my county, mail-in ballots are going out in early May.) You will likely have to go to your polling place on June 7 to vote in the primary, if you register or re-register in May.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Sorry to spam this question, but do you know anything about this Grateful Party I seem to be registered to somehow???????!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1040&pid=13674
!!!!!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Were you wearing any tie-dye when you registered?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Have been quite the pothead in my past.
The weird thing is I can't find anything about it online. I'm going to call in just to ask about it, but I'm definitely going to register as a Dem before this primary. I don't want any funny stuff happening. I wouldn't put it past establishment Dems to change to a closed primary right after the registration deadline.
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Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Here's the Sec of State site (scroll down to "Voter Registration Deadlines."
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, silvershadow.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)"A Los Angeles Times investigation has discovered startling evidence that almost a half a million California voters may not be able to vote in the Democratic primary on June 7 due to some voter registration confusion.
Californians by the hundreds of thousands have registered with the American Independent Party (AIP), making it the third largest party in the state. However, rather than being a standard independent status for voter registration purposes, the AIP is a fringe right-wing party that wants to ban abortion and same-sex marriage, seeking to free the nation from the lawless oppression of Liberal rule according to its website.
Apparently a majority of (AIP) members have registered with the party in error, as a survey of registered members found that about 73% of members polled did not realize they had joined the party.
The LA Times pollsters concluded that fewer than 4% could correctly identify their own registration as a member of the American Independent Party.
I just blew it, said California voter Deborah Silva, 64. There were a number of choices. I just checked the box that said independent.
..........."
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)the bastards.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"The AIP is best known for its nomination of former Governor George Wallace of Alabama, who carried five states in the 1968 presidential election running on a segregationist platform against Richard M. Nixon and Hubert H. Humphrey. The party split in 1976 into the modern American Independent Party and the American Party. From 1992 until 2008, the party was the California affiliate of the national Constitution Party. Its exit from the Constitution Party led to a leadership dispute during the 2008 election."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Independent_Party
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)voters to either register as such, or otherwise trick them. Many registrants to that party aren't actually aware of it. Duped by the sneaky bastards. Rovian types of all political stripes.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I was still in elementary school at the time, but I remember it well because of the Kennedy campaign, the nomination of Humphrey, and the fact that people I knew who had been supporting Kennedy switched to Wallace ( ), who won my state handily.
amborin
(16,631 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)If I happen to get tombstoned, anyone interested can find me at that other site. I hope it doesn't come to that, but you never know. At any point between now and the highly anticipated Great Purge.
amborin
(16,631 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:48 AM - Edit history (1)
Now, I'm clear that I was completely confused as to the point of the notification I received. Please disregard my initial insistence that the instructions on the poster was incorrect.
Again, humble apologies... to all.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
No Party Preference Information
Voting in Presidential Primary Elections
Voters who registered to vote without stating a political party preference are known as No Party Preference (NPP) voters. NPP voters were formerly known as "decline-to-state" or DTS voters.
For presidential elections: NPP voters, unless they choose otherwise (see below), will receive a non-partisan ballot that does not include presidential candidates. A nonpartisan ballot contains only the names of candidates for voter-nominated offices and local nonpartisan offices and measures.
Voting in the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election
An NPP voter will receive a non-partisan ballot, which will have no presidential candidates listed.
However, upon request, an NPP voter can instead vote the presidential ballot of the following parties:
American Independent Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Why? Each political party has the option of allowing NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. 135 days before the election, political parties must notify the Secretary of State's office whether or not they will allow NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. The above three parties notified the Secretary of State that they will allow NPP voters to request their partys presidential ballot for the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election.
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Voting in the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election
An NPP voter will receive a non-partisan ballot, which will have no presidential candidates listed.
However, upon request, an NPP voter can instead vote the presidential ballot of the following parties:
American Independent Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Why? Each political party has the option of allowing NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. 135 days before the election, political parties must notify the Secretary of State's office whether or not they will allow NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. The above three parties notified the Secretary of State that they will allow NPP voters to request their partys presidential ballot for the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election.
How to request a party ballot? The NPP voter may ask their county elections office or poll worker, at their polling place, for a ballot for one of the above three parties. An NPP voter may not request more than one party's ballot.
The following three parties notified the Secretary of State that they have chosen not to allow NPP voters to request their partys presidential ballot participate in their presidential primary election:
Republican
Green
Peace & Freedom
If an NPP voter wants to vote for a presidential candidate in the Republican, Green, or Peace and Freedom party, the NPP voter must re-register to vote with one of those parties by May 23, 2016. To register online go to registertovote.ca.gov.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)The Democratic Party DOES permit "No Party Preference" (NPP) voters to vote in the Dem primary, but NPP voters must request a Democratic Party ballot.
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Here are the rules from the CA Sec of State:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
No Party Preference Information
Voting in Presidential Primary Elections
Voters who registered to vote without stating a political party preference are known as No Party Preference (NPP) voters. NPP voters were formerly known as "decline-to-state" or DTS voters.
For presidential elections: NPP voters, unless they choose otherwise (see below), will receive a non-partisan ballot that does not include presidential candidates. A nonpartisan ballot contains only the names of candidates for voter-nominated offices and local nonpartisan offices and measures.
Voting in the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election
An NPP voter will receive a non-partisan ballot, which will have no presidential candidates listed.
However, upon request, an NPP voter can instead vote the presidential ballot of the following parties:
American Independent Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Why? Each political party has the option of allowing NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. 135 days before the election, political parties must notify the Secretary of State's office whether or not they will allow NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. The above three parties notified the Secretary of State that they will allow NPP voters to request their partys presidential ballot for the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election.
How to request a party ballot? The NPP voter may ask their county elections office or poll worker, at their polling place, for a ballot for one of the above three parties. An NPP voter may not request more than one party's ballot.
The following three parties notified the Secretary of State that they have chosen not to allow NPP voters to request their partys presidential ballot participate in their presidential primary election:
Republican
Green
Peace & Freedom
If an NPP voter wants to vote for a presidential candidate in the Republican, Green, or Peace and Freedom party, the NPP voter must re-register to vote with one of those parties by May 23, 2016. To register online go to registertovote.ca.gov.
History Behind California's Primary Election System
Closed Primary System
A "closed" primary system governed California's primary elections until 1996. In a closed primary, only persons who are registered members of a political party may vote the ballot of that political party.
Open Primary System
The provisions of the "closed" primary system were amended by the adoption of Proposition 198, an initiative statute approved by the voters at the March 26, 1996, Primary Election. Proposition 198 changed the closed primary system to what is known as a "blanket" or "open" primary, in which all registered voters may vote for any candidate, regardless of political affiliation and without a declaration of political faith or allegiance. On June 26, 2000, the United States Supreme Court issued a decision in California Democratic Party, et. al. v. Jones, stating that California's "open" primary system, established by Proposition 198, was unconstitutional because it violated a political party's First Amendment right of association. Therefore, the Supreme Court overturned Proposition 198.
Modified Closed Primary System for Presidential Elections
California's current "modified" closed primary system for Presidential elections was chaptered on September 29, 2000 and took effect on January 1, 2001. Senate Bill 28 (Ch. 898, Stats. 2000) implemented a "modified" closed primary system that permitted voters who had declined to provide a political party preference (formerly known as "decline to state" voters) to participate in a primary election if authorized by an individual party's rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State.
Top Two Candidates Open Primary Act and Voter-Nominated Offices
The Top Two Candidates Open Primary Act, which took effect January 1, 2011, requires that all candidates for a voter-nominated office be listed on the same ballot. Previously known as partisan offices, voter-nominated offices are state legislative offices, U.S. congressional offices, and state constitutional offices. Only the two candidates receiving the most votesregardless of party preferencemove on to the general election regardless of vote totals.
Write-in candidates for voter-nominated offices can only run in the primary election. However, a write-in candidate can only move on to the general election if the candidate is one of the top two vote-getters in the primary election.
Additionally, there is no independent nomination process for a general election. California's new open primary system does not apply to candidates running for U.S. President, county central committee, or local offices.
Party-Nominated/Partisan Offices
Under the California Constitution, political parties may formally nominate candidates for party-nominated/partisan offices at the primary election. A candidate so nominated will then represent that party as its official candidate for the office in question at the ensuing general election and the ballot will reflect an official designation to that effect. The top votegetter for each party at the primary election is entitled to participate in the general election. Parties also elect officers of official party committees at a partisan primary.
No voter may vote in the primary election of any political party other than the party he or she has disclosed a preference for upon registering to vote. However, a political party may authorize a person who has declined to disclose a party preference to vote in that party's primary election.
Voter-Nominated Offices
Under the California constitution, political parties are not entitled to formally nominate candidates for voter-nominated offices at the primary election. A candidate nominated for a voter-nominated office at the primary election is the nominee of the people and not the official nominee of any party at the following general election. A candidate for nomination or election to a voter-nominated office shall have his or her party preference, or lack of party preference, reflected on the primary and general election ballot, but the party preference designation is selected solely by the candidate and is shown for the information of the voters only. It does not constitute or imply an endorsement of the candidate by the party designated, or affiliation between the party and candidate, and no candidate nominated by the qualified voters for any voter-nominated office shall be deemed to be the officially nominated candidate of any political party. The parties may list the candidates for voter-nominated offices who have received the official endorsement of the party in the sample ballot.
All voters may vote for any candidate for a voter-nominated office, provided they meet the other qualifications required to vote for that office. The top two votegetters at the primary election advance to the general election for the voter-nominated office, even if both candidates have specified the same party preference designation. No party is entitled to have a candidate with its party preference designation participate in the general election unless such candidate is one of the two highest votegetters at the primary election.
Nonpartisan Offices
Under the California Constitution, political parties are not entitled to nominate candidates for nonpartisan offices at the primary election, and a candidate nominated for a nonpartisan office at the primary election is not the official nominee of any party for the office in question at the ensuing general election. A candidate for nomination or election to a nonpartisan office may not designate his or her party preference, or lack of party preference, on the primary and general election ballot. The top two votegetters at the primary election advance to the general election for the nonpartisan office.
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I will add this information in comments closer to the top.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)the post text already with BIG BOLD LETTERS.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...the "NPP" voter MUST REQUEST THE DEM PRIMARY BALLOT, at the polling place or for mail-in ballot.
Please read the parts I boldfaced which I just copied/pasted directly from the CA SOS site (within this thread--not sure up or down).
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)correct meme to post, because it needs to be spread across all social platforms ASAP.
2banon
(7,321 posts)My error. I misunderstood the point of the notification, as regards my NPP status AND that my records indicate that I vote absentee ballot.
Now I'm clear that I needed to indicate on that notice, which party ballot I intended to vote, and to indicate that on that form, so that I don't end up receiving a "blank" ballot in the mail.
I was confused, I apologize for my error.
2banon
(7,321 posts)With a warning that I must register with either Dem, Rep, or Libertarian if I wanted to be able to vote for presidential candidate in either party..
After 2012, I changed my party affiliation to "non partisan" apparently, and so I submitted that change a few weeks ago after receiving that notice.
So this is really confusing. I don't quite know what to think. I would pass on the warning just to be on the safe side.
On Edit: For clarity, I submitted a request to be shown as a registered Democrat which they provided on the Warning Notice received in the mail just a couple of weeks ago.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)YES, voters who register as "No Party Preference" (NPP) CAN VOTE in the Democratic primary but you must REQUEST a Democratic Party ballot at the polling place or for mail-in ballot. (Otherwise they will give you a generic ballot for lesser offices with no prez candidates on it.)
See above. This is what the SOS site says.
CA doesn't use the term "non-partisan." If this "official notice" has that term in it, it is a phony. ( This status used to be called "Decline to State," NOT "non-partisan," nor "independent"
YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS IF YOU REGISTER AS A LIBERTARIAN.
But if you register "No Party Preference," you can request a Libertarian, Democratic OR Republican primary ballot. To vote for Bernie Sanders, request a Democratic Party ballot.
If you register Libertarian, you will get a Libertarian ballot (no Bernie Sanders).
If you register Republican, you will get a Republican ballot (no Bernie Sanders).
If you register Democratic, you will get a Democratic ballot (with Bernie Sanders on it).
If you register "No Party Preference," you will automatically get a ballot with lesser offices on it and NO presidential candidates.
If you register "No Party Preference," you can REQUEST one of the other ballots--Libertarian, Republican OR Democratic. ONLY the Democratic ballot will have Bernie Sanders on it.
If this notice you received says otherwise, it is a phony.
It's hard to tell, cuz you're not giving me exact language of the notice.
You may need to call the SOS office in Sacto and report a fraudulent notice. Or maybe you didn't understand the notice. The wording at the SOS web site is a little hard to follow. I had to read it several times. So if the notice you got has that wording, you may have mis-read it. Check it against my cut & paste from the SOS web site above. Or got to SOS web site.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
2banon
(7,321 posts)unnecessarily.
2banon
(7,321 posts)stating that we would not be able to vote for any presidential candidate unless we requested to be considered Democrats (or other preference) for the up coming presidential primary.
I really don't know what to think of this notice you posted here vs the notice we just recently received in the mail, with postage paid state seal stamp on the card.
I'm completely baffled by this.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)totally, totally weird that this notification is the opposite of what I received in the mail.
But it had the state seal. and it was paid postage. I might have the stub with a telephone number, I'll check tomorrow.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Depending on how you look at it, either candidate can benefit from that.
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Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)That is, registered Dems and No Party Preference voters can vote
http://voteforbernie.org/state/california/
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)I got a card from the Santa Clara county registrar of voters last month, asking whether I, a non-partisan, wanted to vote in the Democratic,American Independent or Libertarian primary for president in June. Republicans aren't letting non-Republicans vote in their presidential primary this time.
The primaries for all other offices are open.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)You register by checking a box when renewing your driver license. No chance of mismatch.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Just passed this info along to 2 people I know in Cali