"Sexist" language used here at D.U. against George W. Bush aka; Bush the Least.

[Uncle Joe]

"Official" Bush Coronation site: "Inaugural attitude: Pony up, party on"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1483138

Bush 'the king' blows $50m on coronation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2926531

All hail King George! Oblivious to world's despair, he plans coronation!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2925551

The Coronation of King George

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2320556

Happy Coronation! The Madness of King George (Warning - Graphic)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2964891

Are there widespread anti-coronation things beyond DC?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x293450

Village Voice: Capital Preps For Coronation


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x95552

Military at Bush's coronation: pushing America closer to Martial Law?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1491950

There are plenty more examples if you search, the ironic thing is back in those days, a gender neutral word such as "coronation" or a descriptive word of presumed royalty ie: king or queen had nothing to do with sexism, on the other hand purging voters was much more frowned on that it seems to be today.

[TM99]

1. Facts don't go over well with

cults of personality, just saying.

[dchill]

2. Sex is not sexism. That's always been a thing...

Until Hillarism.

[merrily]

3. Labeling an attempted coronation for what it blatantly is, is not sexism.

Difference with Bush? He was an incumbent President treated like an Incumbent President. Hillary has been treated as an incumbent when she isn't an incumbent.

Oh, well, pesky democracy only gets in the way. Why should average taxpayers get a vote on who the President will be? The PTB know so much better.

[dchill]

4. Apparently, PTB refers to all kinds of grifters...

From well-heeled super-delicates & banksters all the way down to boro election officials.

[senz]

7. OMG what a sexist potty mouth!

Well-heeled --

Super-delicate --

Banksters -- not in this thread you don't

Boro -- watch it, this is a family site

[dchill]

8. But in my mind, I was picturing...

Evan Bayh!

(He's a guy, right?)

[senz]

11. I'll have you know "guy" is innately, definitionally sexist

-- almost as bad as "girl" (which I once got a hide for using)

[dchill]

13. "Girl?" Really?

I'm 64. My wife is 58. She's my girl. I don't believe this shit. (I believe you, I just don't believe this shit.)

[senz]

14. Yes really. I said something like "she's your girl," referring to hill. Wham.

What really annoys me is when people try to tell you what you're thinking or what you mean.

Well, anyway, I'll bet your wife loves being your girl and you probably love being her guy. And I hereby forbid anyone to accuse any of this as being sexist.

It's late now. Good night to you, dchill, and to Uncle Joe too.

[dchill]

15. Peace out.

[senz]

5. Well I'm beginning to suspect the word "sexist" is sexist.

[dchill]

10. Now you're catching on!

[cui bono]

6. The boy who cried wolf posts on DU a lot!

Oops! Was that sexist???



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[senz]

9. It was sexist as all getout

why I oughta ... I oughta alert on it or something! You're just lucky I don't want to wake anybody up!

[cui bono]

47. Forgive me for not being certain, but aren't you a woman?

"I oughta alert on it or something! You're just lucky I don't want to wake anybody up!"

So women aren't strong enough to alert or wake someone up???

Soooooooooo sexist!!!

.

[senz]

48. Well last time I looked, I was!

But since you want a hide sooooo badly, cui bono --



HERE:

[cui bono]

49. I don't know what that means, so I'll call that and raise you this:

omg.... how can I be so dense sometimes???!! Hide. Duh!
I'll still let you keep the chicken feet. They come in handy.

HERE:





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[senz]

52. Glad I'm not the only dense one around here.

And thanks for the chicken feet. I'll use them as a reminder to put lotion on.

Hope the serious folk didn't mind our momentary silliness!

[cui bono]

54. If you can't be silly then is it worth it?

Some don't seem to like this sort of silly though:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511814064



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[Onlooker]

12. Too many people are ignorant of the power component that bigotry demands

Racism, sexism, and homophobia are created by those in power. Those in power define what "other" means. One of their tools is language. Calling a man a King I think has a different feel than calling a woman a Queen. When a woman is called a Queen it often conjures up the image of someone who is spoiled, expects attention, and doesn't do much for herself. When a man is called a King, it conjured up a strong, assertive, and brave man. The power of language comes from those in power. Calling a black person an n- is different than calling a white person a cracker; a man who sleeps around is a stud and a woman who does that is cheap; a weaker man is called effeminate, in a negative tone; when one talked about Bush's smirk, it didn't remind men that they are judged for their external attributes, but when one talks about Hillary's smirk, it reminds women that they are judged for their external attributes. There are so many examples of this, but again language is far more dangerous by those who are powerful than those who are less powerful.

[Armstead]

28. People can't break out a handbook and slide rule every-time they say something to see if it ...

is "gender appropriate."...Especially when the handbook is written to eliminate all criticism of a particular political candidate.

Yes there are words or phrases that obviously should not be used. But most people know that try to avoid them.

And yes the larger issue of subtle implications of language and how it impacts gender relations is a legitimate subject of endless discussion.

But when it's used to stifle actual debate -- especially in a campaign -- it does more harm than good to the actual goal of making language less biased.

It makes people more cynical about "political correctness" whenever they are attacked for some esoteric interpretation -- especially what it is used to prevent any criticism of a political candidate.

[Uncle Joe]

35. I believe you're comparing apples to atomic bombs, we never called Bush "King" because he was

"strong," "assertive" or "brave" He was crowned by the Supreme Court aka; establishment over the will of the people. That was the crux of the matter.

Furthermore the word "coronation" is gender neutral and the words "king" or "queen" a descriptive of royalty heads.

Unlike the words which you posted king or queen aren't even necessarily slurs, except when used from the American Perspective to illustrate establishment foisted leadership over the will of the people.

In the case of Hillary, the establishment has been firmly pushing her for the Presidency even before day one, super-delegates which have no right to bound themselves to any candidate prior to the convention near the end of July lined up to by several hundreds committing to Hillary months before the first debate was even held.

The corporate media conglomerates in a relentless propaganda push of Hillary's "inevitability" continuously count these super-delegates in their reporting as a means to disillusion the American People from considering alternative options and exercising their democratic right to vote.

[Scuba]

16. Hillary and her supporters desperately want this election to be about gender. Unfortunately ...

.... for her/them it's about inequality and corruption, not exactly her strong suits.

[LexVegas]

17. Oooohhhh...MRA bullshit.

[Octafish]

18. National Lampoon: Coronation of King Dick

[IamMab]

19. I never thought I'd say this to a Sanders supporter, but...

You're probably over-thinking this.

George W Bush was referred to as "King George" because his name is George and the king we revolted against over 200 years ago was also named George, so there's a built-in association with "King George" in the minds of American due to studying our own history throughout grade school. And if you're trying to impugn on someone named George, then utilizing the negative connotation of "King George" is kind of an easy solution.

And "king" itself IS a gendered term, because it only applies to male leaders. The same way "queen" only applies to female leaders. Those are not gender-neutral words like "president" or "prime minister." Those are this-is-for-men and that-is-for-women terms.

I think all of this derriere-injury stems from Sanders not getting the coronation HIS supporters expected he would receive. After all, he was supposed to ride in on his white horse and "save the Democratic Party from itself," or some other such baseless nonsense. Democrats were supposed to be swayed by the purity of his policies, but that's not how it worked out.

[JoePhilly]

23. + 1

[Armstead]

29. Is Monarch acceptable to your ever so delicate sensibilities?

And if you want to prevent bullshit use of language, you might stop using the word "purity" to insult those whose views disagree with yours.

[peace13]

31. You may be on to something regarding expectations. Someone had expectations but it wasn't Sanders.

Or his supporters. For Sanders and his supporters it has always been about hard work and dedication. Nothing has ever been given, it has all been earned! Your last paragraph is pretty clearly projection. To the last point, there are many Americans who respect the values he represents. Many people are not willing to carry the stain of war and greed for a politician.

[IamMab]

40. What nonsense. If Sanders supporters were into "hard work" we'd have a progressive Congress already

2010 was the moment to continue supporting the progressive President that was elected, but because of a few deviations from progressive dogma, they abandoned him in droves and turned it over to the GOP.

Look at Wisconsin. Where's the "hard work" retaking the governor's mansion, or even the legislature? Over 11% of Bernie supporters in Wisconsin checked his name, AND NONE OTHER ON THE BALLOT. What kind of "hard work" involves ignoring every other Democrat on a ballot?? A Democratic state supreme court justice lost her race partially due to that.

You may believe what you tell yourself, but I'm not that gullible.

[peace13]

41. I'm from Ohio, Wisconsin's twin sister.

Our voting districts look like Swiss cheese. We are stuck in teabag hell! There is only so much you can do. A+ On the distraction. Your defense is 11% of Bernie's voters! OK.

[IamMab]

43. Yes, I'm sure the whole progressive "holier than thou" approach is attracting support all over.

Maybe you're stuck in the wilderness because you deserve to be there until you figure out a message and an approach that will be more palatable in your city/county/state. I don't hate to break it to you, but "You're all corrupt and only I'm right!" isn't working out for you. And it never will.

[Uncle Joe]

42. Bernie is into hard work and due to his efforts the largest caucus in the Democratic House

is progressive.

During his first year in the House, Sanders often alienated allies and colleagues with his criticism of both political parties as working primarily on behalf of the wealthy. In 1991, Sanders co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a group of mostly liberal Democrats that Sanders chaired for its first eight years.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) is the largest membership organization within the Democratic congressional caucus in the United States Congress with 71 members.[4] The CPC is a left-leaning organization that works to advance progressive and liberal issues and positions.[5][6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

[IamMab]

44. How many of his fellow progressive caucus members have endorsed him? A majority?

Or have more members of the Progressive Caucus endorsed Hillary Clinton instead?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/11/1430646/-Many-Progressive-Caucus-members-have-endorsed-Hillary-and-here-s-the-corrected-list

By my count, 45 members of the Progressive Caucus have endorsed Hillary Clinton, and 1 has endorsed Bernie Sanders. Although that list is from 2015 and may have changed, 45 is still a majority of 71.

Even the members of the caucus he founded clearly find Bernie Sanders too hard to work with, and would rather support someone else, even Hillary Clinton, over him. That tells us everything we need to know about Back-Bench Bernie and his time in Congress.

[cui bono]

50. nm... I misread your earlier post. You're still lovely though.

Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:29 AM - Edit history (2)

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[senz]

51. Yikes, does the person actually call themself a Bernie supporter?

They must think we're stupid or can't remember what they've said.

They are among the worst, imho.

[cui bono]

55. Oh! No, they didn't! lol. Another moment of density!!!

They said they never thought they'd say this "to" a Bernie supporter and I thought they said "as" a Bernie supporter. I see now they were hurling an insult. Still lovely.

I guess that's what happens when you don't eat sugar for one day! Tomorrow I'll have cake and ice-cream for breakfast and be balk in top form!



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[Uncle Joe]

36. Most people called Bush "king" and his selection by the Supreme Court a "coronation"

because in the coup of 2000 the establishment on many levels thwarted the will of the people in exercising their democratic rights to vote and have their votes counted.

Coronation, king or queen have nothing to do with sexism, they are neutral terms except as used in the U.S. when the establishment works to overcome the will of the people and crown a President whether it be a man or woman.

Bernie and his supporters certainly never expected a coronation, we knew this was an uphill fight from day one.

[mythology]

20. If only men and women were actually on an equal footing you might have a point

If I say person X is a dick, my post is unlikely to be hidden. If I can person X a pussy instead, it will be far more likely to be hidden.

Our society has historically treated men as advantaged over women. As such it's inaccurate to equate language directed at men and women.

There had always been an unfortunate trend here to call people who we disagree with names. In the primaries it turns internal. Hillbots, Bernie Bros, etc.

[peace13]

32. And the use of hillbots, Bernie Bro, etc is an immature tactic.

If an idea us true and fair it doesn't need insult to make it powerful!

[Segami]

21. Thanks Uncle Joe!

[Skwmom]

22. Exactly. When I saw the post I was like - what are we supposed to do call her King Hillary.

I am so tired of the phony sexism outrage.

[Joob]

24. Yeah same, also phony sexism is cancer

People start to think sexism is a joke when it's tossed around everywhere

It's not a joke.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

53. ^^THIS^^ n/t

[SaintLouisBlues]

25. Dauphin was one of the top nicknames for Shrub here for years

Dauphin of France
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Dauphin (disambiguation).


The Dauphin of France was the title given to the heir apparent to the throne of France from 1350 to 1791 and 1824 to 1830.

[RufusTFirefly]

26. Yup. The principal goal has been FUD

It's designed to make us second-guess any legitimate criticism.

Thanks for clarifying, Uncle Joe!

[Armstead]

30. You just summed up the purpose perfectly...should make THAT an OP

It's designed to make us second-guess any legitimate criticism.

[amborin]

27. K&R exactly! "coronation" is not gender- or sex-specific

[fun n serious]

33. To suggest there is NO sexism

occurring when we are about to elect the first woman president after all the bashing she has been thru is IGNORANCE at it's finest.

[fun n serious]

34. IMO this whole thread is sexist. nt

[frylock]

38. ..

[RufusTFirefly]

45. And your sig line is classist

Do you really think the erosion of our democracy by Wall Street, billionaires, and SuperPACs is a laughing matter? I don't, but perhaps that's because I don't have enough money to buy influence.

[fun n serious]

46. Some people are easily offended

Not US for Hill. We have been thru the MILL...

[BreakfastClub]

37. This is really bad. I can't believe I'm reading such nonsense on the DU. Wow,

you should be ashamed of yourself. Sexism is the most pervasive "ism" in the world, and the US is one of the most sexist 1st world countries. It is vitally important for our future as a world leader and as a superpower that we overcome sexism and denounce it. I denounce your post as misguided, tone-deaf, mean-spirited and dismissive of the millions of women who experience sexism and misogyny every single day in this country.

By the way, people called Dubya the Chimp...so is it therefore not racist to call Obama a chimp? Put on your thinking cap, dude.

[Uncle Joe]

39. NO ONE brings gender into the equation more than Hillary, I don't recall a single speech when Obama

said vote for me because I would be the first black or African American President.

Hillary has continuously played the gender card in her speeches and her supporters have condemned women that support Bernie.