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RandySF

(58,898 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:56 AM Apr 2016

Benefits of Sanders’s College Plan Bigger for Wealthy, Analysis Finds

The analysis undercuts a central theme of Mr. Sanders’s Democratic presidential campaign, which has called for shifting tax benefits from the rich to the beleaguered middle class and poor. Brookings contributor Matthew Chingos says the Sanders plan would actually be tilted toward the wealthy, a charge that has been made by the senator’s chief rival, Hillary Clinton.

Specifically, dependent students from households in the top half of U.S. earners would get $16.8 billion in tuition relief under the free-college plan, Mr. Chingos concludes. Students from households in the bottom half would get $13.5 billion.

The Sanders campaign called the analysis deeply flawed, saying that under its own analysis, 70% of the benefits would go to those making less than $100,000 a year. “Unlike, the Clinton plan, Senator Sanders is clear on who will benefit from his plan: everyone who has the ability and the desire to receive a higher education,” Warren Gunnels, the campaign’s policy director, said in an email. Mrs. Clinton has proposed allowing making college debt-free for students, rather than tuition-free.

Mr. Chingos’s explanation is simple. The Sanders plan would relieve students of paying any tuition at public colleges and universities, both at more-selective schools that tend to be more expensive, and less-selective schools that tend to be cheaper. (Mr. Sanders would levy a tax on Wall Street trading to pay for it.) “At public four-year colleges, dependent students from higher-income families tend to attend more expensive institutions,” he writes. As a result, they would get most of the aid if college tuition were free.

Lower-income students tend to go community colleges and less-expensive public schools, and thus would receive less aid.

Mr. Chingos points out that making college tuition-free would still leave students on the hook for rent, transportation and books, which often comprise the biggest costs for students.



http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/21/benefits-of-bernie-sanderss-free-college-plan-bigger-for-wealthy-analysis-finds/

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Benefits of Sanders’s College Plan Bigger for Wealthy, Analysis Finds (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2016 OP
More bullshit. The wealthy don't go to state colleges or community colleges. merrily Apr 2016 #1
IF you believe that, you don't hang around many state colleges. RandySF Apr 2016 #2
Riiight. Because those are the majority of state colleges and community colleges. merrily Apr 2016 #3
And when tuition at those places is zero why would Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #12
Because they would still be selective hack89 Apr 2016 #14
Oh well that needs to be fixed too. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #15
K thru 12 education in America is an embarrassment hack89 Apr 2016 #16
Well yes but we certainly should address inequality Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #17
So, if rich people would benefit, we MUST NOT help poor people to get into college. Bonobo Apr 2016 #4
Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #5
We're paying for Donald Trump's kids to go to school! bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #6
This is completely overlooking that more poor people would go to college if they could afford it jfern Apr 2016 #7
what this overlooks is that Bernie's plan is based on the number of kids enrolled in college now Jitter65 Apr 2016 #8
K-12 is free too, and we manage jfern Apr 2016 #10
Is the author of this piece seriously trying to convince us ... surrealAmerican Apr 2016 #9
Assumes that once costs are drastically reduced for everyone Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #11
re: "Lower-income students tend to go to...less-expensive public schools" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #13
Hey Einstien... jack_krass Apr 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #19

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. More bullshit. The wealthy don't go to state colleges or community colleges.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:01 AM
Apr 2016

But more lower income people would go to both, if they were free.

Every possbile group is being pitted against every other group while Party unity is supposed to be the goal.

RandySF

(58,898 posts)
2. IF you believe that, you don't hang around many state colleges.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:05 AM
Apr 2016

Check out tuition at UC, Bekeley, UCLA or the University of Michigan.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Riiight. Because those are the majority of state colleges and community colleges.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

Poster, please.

And it seems as though it takes one disagreeing post before some posters go ad hom. Telling.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. Because they would still be selective
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:24 AM
Apr 2016

Giving an advantage to students from affluent areas with better public schools.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. K thru 12 education in America is an embarrassment
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

And is a much bigger impediment to poor people than access to college. We need a system more like Germany where there is a path to good jobs other than college.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
17. Well yes but we certainly should address inequality
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

in educational opportunity across the board, and stop with this divisive crap attack on expanding public education from k-12 to k-16.

The strategy of making these programs "all in" rather than "means tested" is essential to making them broadly popular and immune to the inevitable counter attack from the right.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
7. This is completely overlooking that more poor people would go to college if they could afford it
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:26 AM
Apr 2016

And also, billionaires can get free K-12 like everyone else.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
8. what this overlooks is that Bernie's plan is based on the number of kids enrolled in college now
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:16 AM
Apr 2016

Once college is "free" that number will almost triple! There is no plan put forward by Bernie that would cover the cost of free tuition for the number of new students enrolling in college if tuition is free.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
9. Is the author of this piece seriously trying to convince us ...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:29 AM
Apr 2016

... that the top half of US households are "wealthy"?

You cannot afford college in this country at slightly more than the median income. That's not what wealthy is.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. Assumes that once costs are drastically reduced for everyone
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

lower income students would continue to opt for now slightly less expensive but significantly lower quality institutions. Really stupid assumption, or a deliberately dishonest one.

Once all public institutions are affordable to all students quality would dominate the selection process.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
13. re: "Lower-income students tend to go to...less-expensive public schools"
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

The argument completely falls apart there. Obviously, today, if you have less money, you tend to go to a less expensive school. But if all the public options are the same price (free), then that distinction no longer exists. "Mr. Chingos’s explanation is simple" indeed, if you use the definition of simple as in simple-minded.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
18. Hey Einstien...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

The law isnt written yet, details and plugging loopholes still need to be worked out.

Sadly, this probably all academic. Maybe your Queen $hillary will abolish free K-12 as that also helps the rich.

You people make me sick

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