2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA Gradual Shift Comes Clearer As Hillary Clinton Gains More Sanders' Supporters
Freddie Graves walked with her daughter a few blocks from her house to the Wilson-Gray YMCA on Albany Avenue Thursday and entered the Hillary Clinton town hall undecided between the former secretary of state and Sen. Bernie Sanders.
She agrees with what Sanders says and likes the tone of his rhetoric, but doesn't think he has the political chops to turn it into results. As for Hillary, she has long viewed the Clintons as a unit, and held against her the 1994 omnibus crime act, "the law to incarcerate African Americans at a higher rate," as Graves calls it.
Graves lingered in the YMCA gym long after the crowd was gone, and thought about her new resolve.
"I'm convinced now. I just like her message and I like her sincerity," Graves said. I'm looking at Hillary as her own person and I'm glad that I came. ... I was putting her in her husband's shoes until today."
Graves wasn't the only fence-sitter I met at a Clinton campaign event that was overwhelmingly pro-Clinton without hesitation. But with Clinton's big win in New York this week, and with primaries in Connecticut and five other states where Clinton appears strong this coming Tuesday, the direction is inevitable.
http://www.courant.com/business/dan-haar/hc-haar-hillary-clinton-gathers-bernie-supporters-20160421-column.html
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)points via heartwarming anecdotes.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Like DOMA
and DADT
and NAFTA
and TPP
and TTIP
and more opposition to gay rights
and partially rolling back Roe vs Wade
and ...
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)He is done. I doubt he will be in it by California...next week will be brutal for Bernie.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)On which day?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Who'da thunk it. During the primary season too.
(A little question: How is that "gaining a Sander's supporter"?)
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Hillary mostly served as moderator as several invited quests spoke, and then questions and comments were taken from the floor. Hillary shines in those circumstances. She always has. She listens, not only to the horrific tales, but to the people living in these places who have ideas on how to make change. I've been recommending people watch it if the video becomes available. The stories told break your heart, but also give you hope that communities coming together with the executive, could really transform the lives of these people.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--Clinton peddles guns don't.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)While a senator, she voted against the US joining the international consortium of countries banning the use of cluster bombs. Then she doubled down on that vote while she was secretary of state, even after having visited an artificial limb center in Laos and being schooled with in-her-face evidence of the maiming, mutilation and murder of innocent civilians by cluster bombs, long after formal, US funded hostilities have ended.Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was confronted by a dramatic legacy of U.S. warmaking during her recent visit to Laos.
There, she ignored the ongoing manufacture and sale of cluster bombs by her buddies in the MIC, and dismissed the continuing cluster bomb maiming, mutiliation and murder of civilians as simply remnants of the Vietnam War.
At an artificial-limb center, Mrs. Clinton met a nineteen-year-old who lost his forearms and eyesight when a bomb, dropped by the United States Air Force during the Vietnam War and unexploded for decades, finally blew up three years ago, the New York Times reported.
The young man, Phongsavath Sonilya, gesticulated with his arm stumps as he explained to Mrs. Clinton that more than three decades after the end of the war, not enough had been done to stop the use of cluster bombs and to support those who may be injured in the future by bombs still lying unexploded in the countryside, the New York Times reports. The United States has not signed the Convention on Cluster Bombs."
More than 100 countries have signed the treaty, and more than fifty have ratified it, but the United States stubbornly refuses to join in. The U.S. stance betrays a callousness toward the people whose lives are so severely affected by cluster bombs.
Farmers tilling their land are often maimed or killed when striking bombies that settle below ground, Tom Fawthrop writes for Foreign Policy in Focus. Children are frequent victims because they are attracted to the bombies' bright colors and odd shapes.
Clinton called the artificial limb center she visited a painful reminder of the Vietnam War era and added that the international community will join us in our efforts to bring this legacy of the Vietnam War to a safe end, as a prelude to announcing a tepid increase in the appallingly modest U.S. handout ($5 million in 2010) to clean up its mess.
- See more at: http://www.progressive.org/clinton_should_have_u_s_sign_cluster_bomb_treaty.html#sthash.aQ8xFFR7.dpuf
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Isn't she just wonderful?
IamMab
(1,359 posts)...because you've clearly made a huge mistake when it comes to the powers of Secretary of State.
POTUS is Commander in Chief, not any of the Cabinet members, and her first term won't start until January of next year.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)She not only voted for the war, she was an advocate, convincing others to join her. She has been instrumental in our involvement in other areas. When the SOS recommends it, they listen. Libya. She has caused great harm to many many countries. She is hated here, she is hated there. She will send out kids off to war so her fucking friends can make another billion.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)POTUS commands the troops, not Congress. Constitution 101.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)and our kids will die because of her. But hey, her friends will get richer, so it's all fucking good, right?
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Facts are facts
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He had his own war machine at work to send these guys overseas. no funding-no wars
I have a question or rather a clarification. Does the Constitution give the Senate the power to declare war? I thought that provision was for Congress. How long did Hillary serve in Congress?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)To keep legit gun sellers from being sued to Clintons war advocacy and vote along with the catastophy of her time as SOS?
doesn't even begin to come close. In hillarys words "that's just silly"
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)..but since you mention it, there are the tens of thousands of gun deaths that were aided by Bernie's votes, right here at home. Thanks for the reminder
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Thats a shit load of difference.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)is part of Congress. The other part is the House of Representatives. Both houses vote to declare war.
I guess this is what happens when Civics isn't taught in schools.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I wasn't raised in the USA so US Civics wasn't taught in our schools. How idiotic of you to presume everyone on DU went to a school that should have been teaching US Civics.
However, I was very aware that there are two houses. My question was a tad more specific dealing Senatorial authority to Declare War.
... your nasty, petty snark wasn't necessary. Assumptions just like the one you made, makes you look like an ass
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)that Hillary can parlay unimaginable tragedy into a PR opportunity during a political campaign.
It's ghoulish. Especially when the foreign policies that she has championed and spearheaded for the past 15 years (Iraq War, Libya) have resulted in the deaths of untold numbers of children.
No live-streamed meetings for the parents of those kids.
I am not as beguiled, enchanted and swept away by her hypocrisy.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)From either party.
bvf
(6,604 posts)to justify the cheesy headline.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Who believes anything they read anymore?
DebDoo
(319 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Let's wish them a soft landing after their fall from such hallucinatory heights.
The "gradual shift" will become a swelling defection, as November approaches.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... with a hangover, juggling, during an earthquake and with high winds.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That hard landing they're in for is gonna leave a mark.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Thanks, in part, to attitudes like yours...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm convinced that rational and mature voters do not make their decision to vote (or not vote) based on whether or not they felt insulted by an anonymous user on this web site.
What you appear to be describing is what I'd call "bargaining" (ie: "be nice to us or else"
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Most will recognize the benefits of electing a Democrat...courts...your so called revolution can't survive five GOP court picks. Also, if he was that popular, he would have won the primary. And don't give me the BS excuses of why he didn't...fact is he didn't get the votes.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)never again.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)And how much like Republican bully language?
frylock
(34,825 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Right on time. I hope Brock didn't spend too much of his million dollars in attack money on it.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)There was, I think a focus group, just before the NY election. A room full of black people and they were asked by show of hands, who supported Clinton vs Sanders.
Majority of AA's raised hands for Clinton followed by a smaller group supporting Sanders.
One more question put out was who changed their mind? A lone, young white guy raised his hand and said he went from Sanders to Clinton followed by <words>.
It was so obvious this dude was a plant and obvious the question was meant to put the spotlight on him.
Just another episode of Kabuki theater brought to you by Clinton, Inc.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)for decades. I plan never to vote for an establishment Dem at this point.
Which is a weird position, considering I am running for Dem Delegate in my state.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)We should all be working to elect Bernie Dems on local and State levels everywhere.
This is how we rid the party of 3rd way infiltrators.
The Democratic party needs a deep colon cleanse!
Good luck to you!
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Don't see how you can be part of the Dem process when you are willing to help elect Republicans.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Fence sitters who can not make up their minds until there is a clear lead established...meh.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Saying it does not make it so.
People can and should think for themselves, and they should see this effort to control perception for exactly what it is.
It's going to fail.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)"he has to get out now" "there is no revolution" "young people like to rally but don't like to vote" and my favorite of all "if he stays in any longer he'll weaken Hillary for the GE, she needs to turn her attention to the GE now!"
Good messaging MSM!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The latter is the last thing the Vermont senator needs now.