please just stop calling for an end to this primary.

[silvershadow]

do you all realize how pathetic you sound? ending the primary before all 50 states have voted just disenfranchises voters.

[k8conant]

1. That's for sure!

[pinebox]

2. We're headed for a contested convention

It is what it is

[silvershadow]

3. thank God. I finally figured it out this morning

thank God. I finally figured it out this morning for sure and breathed a sigh of relief. We will finally get to the end we deserve

[pinebox]

4. Yup Hillary can't win by the numbers

Bring the massive crowds!

[Renew Deal]

14. Don't let Weaver convince you of this.

It's just not true. Look at the calendar. If Hillary wins just 50% of the remaining delegates she will have the nomination by 600+ delegates on June 2. She is slated to do much better than 50% in PA and MD next week. I think there's a decent chance Bernie ends it next Tuesday night.

[pinebox]

21. I don't see it

They were just talking about this on MSNBC and how it's literally impossible for her to wrap it up before the convention

[Renew Deal]

27. that argument is the supers don't vote until the convention

Which is true. But Bernie will not convince hundreds of people to change their minds. And he's going to look bad if he tries. It's more likely that most super-delegates switch to her because she "won" at the ballot box. Same thing happened in 2008.

[rock]

40. Just a minor note

The pledged delegates don't vote either till the convention. But of course, we know pretty well how many of each kind the candidates have well before that happens. The convention allows a formal way of recording these votes.

[moriah]

64. Bingo.

If Weaver keeps suggesting the plan is to overturn pledged delegates with Supers, he's going to just make Bernie look bad, and looking like a giant hypocrite after all his anti-Superdelegate emails.

If Bernie wants to go to the last primary, fine. But he needs to reign in the people in his campaign that are calling for the votes to be overturned by Supers.

[moriah]

63. Then how did Obama do it?

Seriously, he had a,pledged delegate lead, then the Supers followed.

[FSogol]

51. +1. Completely agree. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

6. Contested? That will last about 5 seconds.

We then move on to the VP announcement.

[Broward]

29. Do you think she'll pick a liberal or another

right-wing corporatist like herself?

[apcalc]

33. Despite the exclamations and protestations here

Hillary is in no way right wing.

[Broward]

36. Those that have succumbed to Third Way and GOP framing will disagree.

[Bubzer]

61. Despite your exclamations and protestations here

Hillary is in every way right wing.
Bye

[Corporate666]

11. What do you think Bernie is going to contest?

Hillary will have a huge lead in pledged delegates, and enough committed super delegates to take the nomination by hundreds of votes.

What do you think Sanders is going to do or say? If he gets up and makes an impassioned speech trying to sway delegates to his side, he's just going to look like an idiot. Like an ugly old guy getting on his knees and professing his love for a supermodel who has absolutely zero interest in him.

After Bernie's speech, the vote will take place which will be a mere formality, and he will look like an absolute loser and a fool for standing there essentially begging people not to drop him like a hot potato - only to get utterly rebuked by the delegates moments later.

There's no way he's going to do that. Of COURSE he's going to drop out long before the convention and he's going to endorse Hillary. Do you folks realize how stupid he would look going to "contest the convention", and be the ONLY one there not rah-rah'ing and riding the Hillary bandwagon? People would be embarrassed for him if that ever happened.

[pinebox]

23. Hillary won't have the numbers before the convention

That is what I'm saying.

[Corporate666]

26. 1640 delegates left

She needs about 450 of them.

She will have the numbers, and hundreds to spare.

[chervilant]

35. Aren't you the least bit

embarrassed to be supporting a candidate who is being investigated by the FBI, and whose "approval rating" is almost as low as Trump's?

BTW, don't bother to respond -- you're the next addition to my IL.

[mythology]

60. Aren't you the least bit embarrassed to be so petty?

Asking somebody to answer accusatory questions and then openly putting them on ignore?

[Adrahil]

18. No we aaren't. Clinton will win om the first ballot. NT

[Stuckinthebush]

41. Exactly how will it be contested?

Each state reports the delegates numbers for each candidate

Those numbers include pledged and unpledged

Hillary has a massive lead in both

I'm missing the contested part

[Orsino]

59. Not in the usual sense of that phrase.

But yes, much will indeed be contested.

We have a fundamental disagreement over the direction of the party and nation, so everyone had better bring his/her A game.

[wildeyed]

65. #berniemath

lol

[jzodda]

67. She's ahead in both classes of delegates plus popular vote

She won't even need all the super delegates to win, probably half or less than the total.

The super delegates are dem party officials who the clintons have helped over the years with time and money.

In what fantasy land do people operate to believe that the super delegates will upend the election. Unlike the trump delegates, these support Clinton!

She's going to win another big state Penn on Tuesday. I mean are we operating in fantasy land or real world politics.

Pointing out polls that show Bernie winning against trump by more points than clinton is not nearly enough.

[Buzz Clik]

5. Is it more pathetic than the "FBI Mantra" you repeat?

Many times per day?

[silvershadow]

9. yes. Infinitely

[Buzz Clik]

13. Yeah, you need to step back. A little introspection is in order.

[silvershadow]

15. No, it isn't. I'm a lifelong party member, over 50 years. There is no counsel you (whoever you are

) can give me that is better than my own judgement. If you choose to drive the party off the cliff, you all can do it without me. If she is the nominee, I will change my registration the first hour the office is open. I refuse to be tainted with her.

[Buzz Clik]

16. You and Mary Poppins -- practically perfect in every way.

Will you sign my umbrella?

[silvershadow]

20. No but I will...never mind. You must be a paid insider or something to be as aggressively

defending the indefensible as you are. It is just sad to think we are going down this road. You must be Polly. Pollyanna.

[stonecutter357]

7. do you all realize how pathetic you sound?

[SusanCalvin]

8. No. nt

[silvershadow]

10. no. Rather, patriotic.

[stonecutter357]

12. .

[Renew Deal]

17. There is no way for Bernie to contest it barring catastrophe

Hillary will have enough delegates to win by a lot (she already does). They will control the mechanics of the convention. They can keep Bernie from even walking into the building.

[silvershadow]

22. If she doesn't have enough delegates, she really can't. nt

[Renew Deal]

30. Correct

But she will. The super-delegates count. They are on the rules committees, etc.

[Stuckinthebush]

44. I am constantly baffled

At their ignoring the supers. Just because they want to pretend they don't count, they do. On the first roll call. Aside from the delusion that the supers will switch their allegiance magically, I can't understand why they don't understand how this works. It's all spelled out in the DNC rules. Clear as a bell.

Lord, this is tiresome

[Agschmid]

42. If she has the pledged delegate lead going into the convention...

she should win. The leader in pledged delegates should win, whomever that is.

If they don't, I'm done with this shit.

[silvershadow]

43. And if we nominate her, I'm done with this shit. nt

[Agschmid]

48. That's fine.

Either way people aren't happy, but to upset someone with the pledged delegate (voter) lead would be a massive mistake.

[Stuckinthebush]

45. Actually, if she has a total lead

She wins. Supers and pledged. That's how the rules are set up from the beginning.

But that's academic because she will have a massive lead in both.

It's over any way you slice it

[silvershadow]

49. That is patently false. Period. nt

[Stuckinthebush]

54. I'm sorry to inform you that it is patently true

Here are the rules:

http://www.demrulz.org/wp-content/files/12.15.14_2016_Delegate_Selection_Documents_Mailing_-_Rules_Call_Regs_Model_Plan_Checklist_12.15.14.pdf

The states report their delegate totals during roll call. That means ALL of the delegates.

I don't know where you are getting your information that only pledged delegates are called during the roll call. But whoever is telling you that is lying.

[Stuckinthebush]

55. Let me help...

From Section 8 of the Rules:

7. Roll Call for Presidential Candidate:

a. After nominations for presidential
candidates have closed, the
Convention shall proceed to a roll
call vote by states on the selection of
the presidential candidate. The roll
call voting shall follow the
alphabetical order of the states with
the District of Columbia and Puerto
Rico and the territories treated as
states for the purpose of the
alphabetical roll call.

b. A majority vote of the Convention’s
delegates shall be required to
nominate the presidential candidate.

c. Delegates may vote for the
candidate of their choice whether or
not the name of such candidate was
placed in nomination. Any vote cast
other than a vote for a presidential
candidate meeting the requirements
of Article VI of this Call and Rule
12.K. of the 2016 Delegate Selection
Rules shall be considered a vote for
“Present.”

d. Balloting will continue until a
nominee is selected. Upon selection,
balloting may be temporarily
suspended, provided that the
balloting shall continue at a time
certain determined by the
Convention Chair, until all states,
the District of Columbia, Puerto
Rico and the territories shall
publically deliver their vote prior to
the nominee’s acceptance speech.
The nominee shall become the
candidate of the Democratic Party of
the United States for the Office of
President upon the conclusion of his
or her acceptance speech.

Nowhere does it say that pledged delegates will be called first and then super delegates.

All delegates - pledged and super - vote during roll call. Whoever has a majority at the end of the roll call wins.

[Stuckinthebush]

56. Oh, and to clarify unpledged or super delegate rules....

From Section I:

F. Unpledged votes shall be allocated to each
delegation to accommodate the members of
the Democratic National Committee from
that state or territory in which they legally
reside. The size of such a member’s vote
(i.e., whole or fractional) shall be the same
size as that which he or she is allowed to
cast at meetings of the Democratic National
Committee. Additional unpledged
delegates shall be allocated for other officers
serving in three (3) positions created by the
Democratic National Committee in
accordance with Article 3, Section 1.e. of the
Charter of the Democratic Party of the
United States.

G. Unpledged votes shall be allocated to
provide for the Democratic President, the
Democratic Vice President, and all former
Democratic Presidents, all former
Democratic Vice Presidents, all former
Democratic Leaders of the United States
Senate, all former Democratic Speakers of
the United States House of Representatives
and Democratic Minority Leaders, as
applicable, and all former Chairpersons of
the Democratic National Committee.2 Such
delegates shall be seated with the state
delegations from the state in which they
have their voting residences.

H. Additional unpledged votes shall be added
if needed to provide for the Democratic
Governor3 (if any) from that state or
territory and for the Democratic Members of
the United States House of Representatives
and Democratic United States Senators from
that state or territory (if any).4

I highlighted in paragraph G the sentence which states that the unpledged delegates shall be seated with the state delegations from the stat in which they have voting residences.

Thems the rules.

[Joob]

19. Go Bernie! I'll never stop Berning!!!!

[Skwmom]

24. They sound desperate, which begs the question why?

[silvershadow]

25. They are. They want to get ahead of the many, many stories and investigations of wrongdoing. nt

[apcalc]

31. Sanders voters should have the opportunity to vote for him.

I have not seen or heard anyone calling for him to stop. ( except perhaps a few on this site.)

We have to respect the process, let it play out.

That said, if Sanders does concede at some point, he should be gracious about it.

[BeyondGeography]

32. Pace yourself

Next week will be far worse. If you're honest with yourself, you'll realize you'd be saying pretty much the same thing if Bernie won all the big contests on Tuesday and Hillary had only fantastical paths to the nomination.

[itsrobert]

34. Primary won't end until they end. If Sanders suspends his campaign the primary still goes on.

Sanders will still be on the ballot on the remaining states. Nothing changes. Anyone who still wants to vote for Sanders still can. Anyone can still write in Pete Rose if they want.

[djean111]

37. I hit full ignore whenever I see that crap.

I am not missing any discussion of the issues. Just avoiding stepping in bullshit.
Funny how they actually thought that crap would work.

[silvershadow]

38. Thank you. I feel like a lone wolf at times, but I understand why. The incessant alerts

on accurate and truthful posts that aren't breaking any rules is getting old lately.

[Joob]

62. Hey I do too!

Go Bernie!

[LexVegas]

39. ....

[spinbaby]

46. Clinton needs it to end

Because she's broke.

[silvershadow]

47. Check Panama. nt

[Betty Karlson]

50. Disenfranchisement is a campaign strategy now: it helps the establishment and the status quo.

[gordianot]

52. Not all is finished and there will be much more to talk about.

Who knows what surprises are in store? I would actually like to see some more debates after all Hillary is a high dollar speaker.

[oldandhappy]

53. Thank You!!!

I keep saying 'Let me vote!' It does feel as if these statements are voter suppression. Thank you for your post.

[KittyWampus]

57. Obama supporters did the same back when. I ASSURE you that those Obama supporters

said the same thing to CLINTON. To get out of the race.

In fact, If I had the time I could probably pull up a bunch of posts from Sanders' supporters who demanded Hillary Clinton get out of the race when she ran against Obama.

But I'm generally not one of "those sorts". The kind who keep dossiers on DU'ers they don't like and scour years of posting history to attack someone they disagree with.

[silvershadow]

66. I can't remember. I do remember Bill losing his temper and throwing a hissy

in South Carolina when he tried to lecture black voters about the best interests or something.

[Orsino]

58. Those calling for the primary to end are not displaying patience or commitment.

I would ask what the hell they think all those delegates are for.

Their candidate isn't quitting, and neither should they.