2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere are five primaries next Tuesday. How many will Senator Bernie Sanders win?
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)I have seen a few models having him winning Rhode Island. *
Here is a great unbiased site. Their NY work was incredible. Their analysis goes right down to county level:
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol
* http://www.bing.com/search?q=Election+2016+Primaries&p1=%5BFUI+els%3D%22Primaries%22%5D&FORM=ELHEAD&ajax=ElectionsBPI&axID=28&pIG=0F2124BA3B8F43A7B2F99080BEBD8E98
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Since Hillary is up in both those states, DE should be the same. It's similar demographics.
I voted "one" in the poll because I don't know jack about RI.
LexVegas
(6,483 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)I believe there was an edit there. The edit was the grammatical tense of apoplexia.
Other posters can click and see it.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Too many "southern" voters in the other states.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The ones he doesn't are simply because he couldn't overcome the level of cheating we are witnessing.
Tarc
(10,559 posts)The only question here is, will Sanders resign after a sweep?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Polling data for these closed primaries:
CT: Clinton +6
PA: Clinton +18
MD: Clinton +25
DE: Clinton +7
RI: no data
I'll give him RI. If the projected leads in PA and MD are even half correct, Clinton extends her lead to 270 pledged delegates with another 360 delegates taken off the table. If the polls are correct, The lead becomes 300.
Stuckinthebush
(10,997 posts)So, Bernie magically swings 500 superdelagates his way and he wins!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,997 posts)I'm using that one
Beacool
(30,279 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I tend to assume the worst to avoid being disappointed. I'm one of those people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Those are two good demographics for Secretary Clinton.
Blue_Adept
(6,431 posts)Partially because there's so much unknown with non-existant polling plus the open primary aspect if I recall.
While the hardcore Sanders supporters are going to do the right thing and phone bank and work hard to get out there, I know based on past experience that the momentum is on the Clinton side. Perception is 9/10th's of the game in politics and while she's had to fight to win this nomination, the fact that she's continually in the lead here and coming out big in states people notice (really, nobody notices Wyoming for a range of reasons and caucus states even less), and she has the perception of having momentum and winning.
That alone will draw undecideds more than any issue, policy, or indictment wet dream some may have. A lot of undecideds just want to pick the winning side.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,775 posts)in delegates.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)But personally, I hope it's zero, because I want to be able to say "Hillary Clinton has won 6 of the last 6 contests, so she has the MOMENTUM!!1111" like Sanders' supporters have been doing for 2 weeks now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)BTW, TX was open and he got slaughtered there.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)May 3rd primary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)I was wondering about next Tuesday.
yardwork
(63,683 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)I only know of one person who favors Hillary. The rest like Bernie by a large margin and a couple are for Kasich. Nobody I know admits to liking Trump.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)If you truly believe only one person who "favors Hillary" there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Oh, Bernie has internal polling. He has spent massively on it despite earlier suggesting pollsters are superfluous. Let him realease them to show the actual voting was manipulated.
That should solve it, am I right?
IamMab
(1,359 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Evidence of an anecdote.
My point about the internal polling is a good one. If Bernie thought he was being jobbed he would release his internal polls to prove it.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Just not a very good, or mature, way.
-none
(1,884 posts)Of course you did.
It is well known Arizona and New York primaries were manipulated for sure, plus several other states. That is why the law suits about it. There will be more law suits concerning Democratic primaries, as the evidence builds in other states. Count on it. Debbie DINO is running Hillary's campaign like the Republican she is. Facts and issues over personalities.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)If the results were manipulated let the VT independent release the internal polls to prove they were he paid millions for after suggesting polling is superfluous.
-none
(1,884 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511809128
It is not the campaigns that are being manipulated, it is the primary elections themselves. Between the disenfranchisement and the vote flipping that always seems to favor Hillary, Hillary may have more to worry about than her SoS security 'lapses'
There are a lot more threads on this subject around here, if only you cared enough to look.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)If I actually looked to fellow member of this board for impartial information I would consequently have to look to a psychiatrist for mental health counseling.
The bottom line is the voters aren't nearly as into the Vermont independent as his acolytes are. His support is a mile deep and an inch wide.
Let him release the internal polling he spent millions on to prove the actual votes are wrong.
-none
(1,884 posts)Illinois Ballot Integrity: Manipulation of Hand-Count "Audit" of Ballots to Fit Official Results.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511809259
There are links to other sources in those threads. That verbiage in the grey boxes are excerpts from those other sources.
Do you think those are a actors in a play in the video at the link here? The evidence keeps mounting for widespread, wholesale election fraud.
I am partial to facts and truth. How about you?
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Until there is credible evidence from a reliable source that there has been a pattern and practice of vote tampering I will remain unconvinced.
After saying he didn't need or rely on pollsters the Vermont independent hired a fancy schmancy pollster. He doesn't seem to have helped him since he is losing badly but by releasing his polls he can demonstrate whether or not the votes have been tampered with.
Occam's Razor- The Vermont independent's support is a mile deep and an inch wide.
-none
(1,884 posts)I have posted? Is it supposed to be some kind of deflection from the facts of election fraud?
The sources reporting Democratic election irregularities are wide spread. It is not just one or a few sources. That alone should give it enough credence to start paying attention to it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)Random allegations of fraud from disgruntled supporters of the soon to be vanquished Vermont independent does not constitute evidence. Well, maybe in a parallel universe they do.
Occam's Razor- Voters are just not "feeling the Bern", or at least not in large enough numbers to prevent him from being vanquished.
Beacool
(30,279 posts)When are some of you going to get through your heads that more Democrats are voting for Hillary than are voting for Sanders? At this point, the race is not even remotely close. Hillary will have triple the pledged delegate advantage than Obama had in 2008. It has nothing to do with Debbie or any other DNC big shot. People are voting with their feet and more have chosen Hillary.
-none
(1,884 posts)It is appearing that more and more, the only reason Hillary is "winning", is from election fraud.
Now that the election fraud is out in the open, let's see what happens in the remaining states.
Beacool
(30,279 posts)She will win PA, MD and CT, maybe DE too. RI may be the one state that Sanders wins. She will also win NJ and I think CA too.
That election fraud is becoming too well known, so that will hurt Hillary too,
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:31 AM - Edit history (1)
Jesus Christ, the hypocrisy here is staggering. Obama supporters were asked to treat diehard Clinton supporters like gentle, fragile snowflakes for the months of April, May, and June as it became more and more apparent she was going to lose, but Hillary supporters are pouring in like they're storming the beaches at Normandy and telling Bernie Sanders supporters to shut up and get in line.
WhenTheLeveeBreaks
(55 posts)It's James Comey
Bernie's biggest problem is not Hillary Clinton
It's Biden, Warren and perhaps Kerry.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)MoonRiver
(36,945 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,013 posts)MoonRiver
(36,945 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think he loses all the others.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Who knows? I certainly do not.
Can't trust the election process why trust the election result?
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)he would probably win zero, and I have made my support well known.
Definitely depends on the GOTV operation this weekend and into next week. The 5 million calls placed (not all connected) in the final days of NY shows the extent of the effort, but the result was clearly was in the other direction.
Now we have 5 to spread the effort around. I have canvassed here in RI. There's some funny business here but it's not fraud. We are just broke and they are cutting costs at the cost of democracy. The real funny business is that they have delayed the release of polling until after Sec. Clinton's visit (because Gov. Raimondo who is angling for a national position is projected to have an approval rating in the low 20s). But I digress
RI is in play for sure, but a lot of unaffiliated voters are turning to Trump. Nobody will believe me, but RI will be tougher than ususal in November.
MD and DE to me are done deals for the Secretary. CT is close and PA will need a turnaround fast for Sanders to win.
Just my $.02 on the ground and on the phones.
Beacool
(30,279 posts)Hillary will handily win PA & MD and do well in CT, but by a smaller margin. I'm not sure about DE and RI since there has been no recent polling in these states.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... getting high on their own supply.
zappaman
(20,607 posts)Bank on it.