Clinton supporters keep asking us Bernie supporters to prepare to lose

[awake]

Today I started to think that as Hillary continues to roll on with the help of the DNC we might have to soon be ready for a big loss, the loss of the White House to Trump. I am seeing the real possibility of Trump winning if we go with Hillary. The Democratic Party may be about to nominate the worst candidate since Dukakus, a candidate who has higher unfavorable numbers than any of our candidates in the history of the party, a candidate who is under active investigation by the FBI a candidate with more baggage than a 747. I am not ready to give up, so Clinton supporters enough of the asking us to go away or get on the Hillary bus, that bus is headed into brick wall called Trump.

[Trust Buster]

1. This country would have not elected a Socialist anyway.

[Armstead]

24. It might if Democrats didn't keep feeding into the right-wing frame about that

The Democrats actually collude with the GOP and Conservative Noise Machine whenever they use that kind of framing.

Sanders policies are not really much more than Liberalism, or if you prefer Progressive.

The GOP and CNM loves to portray anything to the lefty of Reaganism as Liberal/Commie/Socialist.

Whenever Dems disparage "socialism" they are contributing to that.

[northernsouthern]

38. So the polls are wrong?

All the ones saying they would elect a democratic socialist (Bernie) by the largest margins of ANY candidate currently? Or are you just dropping in the word socialist by itself as an attack?

You may be forgetting the last few elections...

Here are just a few they did of Obama, they have already tried redbaiting onece before.




Spoiler Alert: They failed

[salinsky]

54. Of course ...

... national polls are meaningless when the primaries are still going on.

[northernsouthern]

60. Nope...

Since we can actually test this...you will see Obama beat McCain from May till he won almost the entire time...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2008

But funny enough Hillary beat McCain a net gain of 1 times, and the final polls showed McCain pulling ahead...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

National polls are not the same as primary results, primaries just show who does best in the country club vote, while national polls show the trending view of the nation and can act as a predictor of how the nation is going as a whole and what the roof and floor of a candidate may be.

[dchill]

52. You're just wrong. You're buying the corporate Pablum.

Bernie wins the polls. Nobody else does.

[IamMab]

2. Didnt Bernie supporters used to complain about Hillary's supposed "No we can't" message? Seems like

you've stolen it and re-purposed it for your own ends now, doesn't it?

[awake]

7. What I am saying is Yes We Can still win this race with Bernie

And I am not going to give in to a candidate who will take our party in the wrong direction of more war and more breaks for the 1%

[IamMab]

14. No, you are clearly saying "No Hillary can't win against Trump" which is different than what you

claimed just now.

[awake]

42. "I am not ready to give up, so Clinton supporters enough of the asking us to go away"

This is from my OP

[griffi94]

17. Bernie can't win

Bernie can't even win the primary.

I don't understand why Bernie supporters can't seem to grasp this.

How can Bernie be the best candidate or the most electable if he can't even win
the primary.

Total disconnect.

After his loss in NY I'm expecting that she'll win even more decisively next Tuesday because
she has the momentum and regular voters ( not the hardcore committed Bernie supportes) who might have been leaning Bernie
will now not vote or Vote Hillary.


Hard to argue he's the most electable when he continues to fall farther and farther behind.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I haven't broken down the numbers but by 6/15 i reckon he will down 3,000,000 + votes

I haven't broken down the numbers but by 6/15 i reckon he will down 3,000,000 + votes and 300 plus Pledged Delegates.

[LexVegas]

3. Trump may be harder to beat than Bernie, but she'll steamroll him too. nt

[djean111]

4. That is what they are supposed to say, evidently. Oh, and the five stages of grief is

very popular now. Some have old scripts, and are whinging on about Benghazi.

The only thing that stops them, for me, is Full ignore.
Not like they can possibly have any sort of cogent defense of Hillary on the issues - because almost all of her stances seem to be GOP values, like war and fracking and the TPP. So not worth reading, for me.

[Marrah_G]

10. I have put SO many on ignore this week

especially all those "new" people.

[demwing]

13. "new"

indeed

[pdsimdars]

65. I've heard of "new money" . . . . . . not saying anything . . . . .

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. Pre-2016-primary: five people on my Ignore list (for years).

Now: 150 and rising every time I come to DU. And I go out of my way not to Ignore the few civil Hillary supporters...

[Buzz Clik]

5. I googled "concern troll". It seems to fit.

[SFnomad]

6. If BS can't beat Secretary Clinton .. how could he ever beat tRump? n/t

[awake]

11. My point is Berrie still can win it is not over yet.

[SFnomad]

23. Only if you use #BernieMath and deny Delegate Math n/t

[NorthCarolina]

12. You are offering an apples and oranges comparison.

The Democratic Party Primary is quite different from the General Election in terms of who is allowed to vote. Looking at New York, Hillary won only because of massive voter disenfranchisement and the fact that Independents were barred from voting in the Democratic party primary. The independent vote alone would likely have put Bernie well over the top in NY. This is not rocket science here. Clinton winning in a closed party primary with a record series of voting irregularities and problems has no bearing whatsoever on vote counts in the general election.

[rateyes]

33. When Indies get to vote in the primaries

Bernie wins in those primary states. In the GE Indies vote for Bernie if he is in the race. They vote for the Republican if Hillary is their Dem choice. That's how.

[SFnomad]

50. The interlopers DO get to vote in the primaries ... it's just in some states they must register as

Democrats.

And it's a load of crap to think that an Independent that would vote for Sanders would prefer to vote for a Republican rather than vote for Secretary Clinton. Yeah, I'm sure there are a few that would practice such idiocy, but their numbers would not be significantly large.

[rateyes]

55. It's called antiestablishment

[k8conant]

56. I think a number of the independents just wouldn't vote

[SFnomad]

57. And tRump would thank them for their support by not voting n/t

[k8conant]

58. He may, but it's still different from voting for him.

[SFnomad]

59. But it is still helping him win, either way n/t

[k8conant]

63. not really

According to Gallup as of April 6-10 2016:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx?version=print

Rep Ind Dem Rep+leaning Dem+leaning
24% 44% 31% 41% 49%

[SwampG8r]

66. Interlopers?

You mean the taxpayers who foot the bill for the primaries? If you want a private election for your club fucking pay for it yourself or do you like " free stuff"?
If any taxpayer wants to vote he has already paid ghe fee without joining your little club.

[Amaril]

69. "Interlopers"

Lovely.

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. If you want to win a general election, better listen to the interlopers. n/t

[SFnomad]

72. The PUMAs thought they were all that back in 2008 ... they weren't

Now, they're just a bitter footnote to history.

[boston bean]

8. Not asking to prepare, but to accept the loss. Nt

[awake]

15. I am not ready to sit back and watch Hillary lose the White House

Which is what will happen if she ends up as our candidate.

[SFnomad]

25. The "no we can't" attitude from non-Democrats n/t

[Marrah_G]

9. The more they say it the more my response is

"go fuck yourself"

[awake]

19. To be clear are you saying that I should

Fuck myself?

[Lizzie Poppet]

21. You realize trolling for hides is kind of pointless now, right?

Particularly with a poster with zero current hides...you can't even keep them off juries that way.

[Marrah_G]

30. He will have to try harder then that :)

I've had one hide in 12 years and it was one I do not regret.

[frylock]

46. I admire your restraint.

I'd say a good 95% of my hides over the last year have been utter bullshit, but there are times I post something knowing full well that it well get hidden. Like you implied, sometimes it's worth it.

[Marrah_G]

53. I have this rule

I read my whole post before I hit post and try to look at it from an asshole jury point of view

Needless to say, I erase a LOT of posts!!!!!!!!

I also put tons of people on ignore. Makes DU a much nicer place.

[pdsimdars]

67. I've gotten a few hides but one I saw last week was insane

The only thing they said was the title that Howard Dean had sold out.
That was it! I thought that hide was the only thing that was over the top.
And why is there nowhere to object to that? They can hide that with impunity?

[Marrah_G]

26. Aww you are cute.

[jcgoldie]

18. It's depressing

Watching the embarrassing and hypocritical pleasure that the Sanders pseudo-progressives take in predicting victory for Donald Trump.

[Demsrule86]

22. How many do you suppose

are Trump supporters?

[Qutzupalotl]

39. None.

Trump supporters can barely type.

We have a difference of opinion in who is best to lead the Democratic Party to victory in November. That's all. To infer that your primary opponents are really your general election opponents is unfounded and unworthy of discussion.

[Marrah_G]

31. Psuedo progressives?

I think you landed on the wrong website

[jcgoldie]

36. Nope I'm in the right place

Been reading fake bullshit like this OP directed at the soon to be democratic nominee here for months coming from posters who claim to support progressive ideals.

[Marrah_G]

51. Off to ignore you go, little one.

[jcgoldie]

62. Pretty dignified stuff

Sending personal insults as you promise to ignore someone... "little one" Grow up.

[Punkingal]

35. You'll be really depressed in November then.

[pdsimdars]

68. It is not pleasure, but horrifying practicality. But Hillary supporters are so deep in denial

it's like those tea party voters who only watch FOX, they just refuse to believe any other reality or listen to any other voices than their own echo chamber.
She has the worst negatives than any candidate in the history of the Democratic party. You guys don't even hear that, or simply brush it off. It's crazy.
We are just telling you what will happen if you nominate her. That's all. If you keep your fingers in your ears, don't blame us.

[Demsrule86]

20. Again

Bernie Sanders needs to get out of the race today to prevent that. He will not be the nominee.

[Bjornsdotter]

28. Nope

It's not Bernie's job to get Hillary elected. If she is the nominee it will be her job to get elected. It will be her job to convince the non-Hillary supporters that she is the better choice.

The burden is on Hillary....not Bernie and not his supporters.

[reddread]

27. at what point should we start listening to confirmed liars?

I personally cant take my cues from pathological deceivers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. That is no way to refer to the seminal poster.

"...I personally cant take my cues from pathological deceivers. "

I humbly request you peer into your conscience, heed your better angels, and delete your injurious comments.

Thank you in advance.

[reddread]

70. you remain confused, that is the only accurate description of the Clinton campaign

Lying up a Blue Streak.
perhaps they never saw that movie The Reivers.

[bkkyosemite]

34. This morning on FB there is a wealth of information as to how people feel.

Some I could post here some I could not. There is one poster (not a person a poster) I want to post but don't know how. It tells why many will not be voting for Hillary because of the issues she stands for and is informative.

[PowerToThePeople]

37. Not interested in buying that

Not interested in buying that pos used car.

[nc4bo]

40. If we go down, we're going down fighting for what we believe in. I'm real sorry if it saddens some.

[IMG][/IMG]

[onehandle]

41. Tick tock...

The end is nigh.

What passive-aggressive attacks will be posted here when parity comes to DU?

[peacebird]

43. My popcorn is ready. If Hillary 'wins' the nom, she will either get crushed by Trump OR

She wil get impeached in 2017 without a friendly Senate to save her.

[xfundy]

44. I always said I'd vote for the nominee.

I take it back, now. No Hillary, no way.

[oberliner]

45. Trump will get no support among Latinos

And he is very disliked among Republicans.

He is a weak candidate that Hillary will beat handily.

[Binkie The Clown]

47. I honestly believe a lot of Republicans will vote for Hillary rather than Trump because...

...They will finally recognize that, in spite of the "D" label, she is one of them.

[lagomorph777]

48. Apparently winning the primaries is good enough

who cares if we end up nominating a candidate Trump can easily defeat?

[lagomorph777]

49. They are trying to win by intimidation because they don't believe they can win fairly.

Demanding that their opponent exit the race just demonstrates how afraid of him they are.

[ladjf]

61. We, the Bernie supporters haven't lost. But, America is on the verge of a huge loss. nt

[Samantha]

64. It is a massive psychological warfare plan designed to demoralize Bernie supporters

Just ignore them.

The second group of people they target with this propaganda is people who have not yet voted. Convince them Sanders cannot win and they will swing to Clinton. After all, who wants to waste their vote by casting it for a loser?

And the third thing is a real stunner. The most effective way to disable the Sanders' campaign is to take down his core donors willingness to donate. Break his bank. And that is exactly why the Clinton campaign has sent out her surrogates to loudly proclaim his taking money from supporters when he clearly has no path to winning is a fraud. My response to that was to take a look at my finances yesterday and see what I could afford to donate. And donate I did. I hope everyone does this. Make those people pay for their asinine comments by giving Sanders the support you can. Ironically, this propaganda coming from the Clinton campaign then only serves to enrich Sanders' ability to continue to compete.

Sam

[antigop]

73. +1000. Spot on. nt