The platitudes of Clinton supporters are what liberals have heard from conservatives for years

[RadiationTherapy]

why would they be any more discouraging or significant here and now?

"Be realistic" - we own reality.*

"We don't have the votes" - our peers are the votes and they stay in line.*

"Unicorns and ponies" - Trillions for war and tax breaks are "real" and trillions for education and infrastructure are "fantasy."*


*That shit don't bother me; been hearing it my entire liberal life.

[CentralCoaster]

1. Also: "bipartisanship"; "we must work with our friends across the aisle".

Imma throw up.

[Kelvin Mace]

4. "Bipartisanship" is the word they use

when what they mean is "collusion".

[WDIM]

3. Democrats have become the party of "No We Can't" since Obama took office

and Hillary is carrying on that legacy of "No We Can't".

Single payer health care "No We Can't"

College education for all "No We Can't"

Stop shipping weapons to dictators and terrorist "No We Can't"

Legalize a plant "No We Can't"

Make the wealth pay their fair share in taxes "No We Can't"

Hillary will be just another 4 years of Republican obstruction and her saying "No We Can't"

But we can bomb people, we can make the war profiteers billions in profits, we can allow the banks to run amok and destroy lives, we can allow police imprison peaceful citizens for possessing a plant, we can make lawyers and private prisons extremely wealthy, we can steal property from citizens, we can embezzle tax payer money and make billions just poof disappear. We can protect wall street and big banks while the middle class collapses. We can supply brutal dictators and terrorist weapons to make war profiteers rich. Those are the things Hillary and her Neo-con pals think we can do. But speak up for the people and live in a country that honors liberty, equality, truth, justice, that is no longer the America way that just gets one reply "No We Can't".

[brooklynite]

7. Beating up on the Obama Administration record...THAT's the way to win the nomination!

[Armstead]

13. Being honest about shortcomings and failures

But I know....Winning is the only that that ever matters.

What is done after winning is of secondary importance.

[RadiationTherapy]

14. "winning" is wealth, wealth writes the rules, the wealthy keep "winning" - golly gee, Mr. Peabody,

how's it all work!?

[Armstead]

16. I call it geometric self-fueling concentration of power and wealth

[Orsino]

5. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[CentralCoaster]

6. This term includes superdelegates and cronies. It doesn't need to be taken personally.

The pundits, media voices, DWS and supers.

They are supporters and they all fail to inspire and fail to be truthful.

[Orsino]

8. And yet without qualification, it resembles an old-fashioned broad-brushing of DUers. n/t

[CentralCoaster]

15. Yes, this is an unfortunate outcome and a regrettable one.

We have to resist the temptation to say things in ways that increase the division.

[Arugula Latte]

9. Exactly, especially the thing about unquestioned trillions for war and tax breaks.

I've asked several Hillary supporters why they think affordable college is a pipe dream when we subsidize corporations to the tune of trillions of dollars. They are condescending and say that college funding is just not "realistic"

[Armstead]

10. It's discouraging because one expects it from conservatives but...

not from the party that claims to be the UnConservative Party

[reformist2]

11. Also, they talk about GDP and "growing the economy", not about actual individual incomes.

[Broward]

12. Lapdogs for the establishment.

[Sivart]

17. Right on....

Couldn't agree more with the original poster......

[pdsimdars]

18. And the REASON she acts like a conseravtive

[bobthedrummer]

19. K&R + some deep background on the prisons for profit here in The United States of America

Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. and the Aristocracy of Prison Profits: Part I (Catherine Austin Fitts 2006)
http://narconews.com/Issue40/article1644.html

[Lucinda]

20. We live in a society with a representative government

If you want your agenda to be the mainstream, it's simple. Convince the majority. The politicians will follow.
Anything short of that is truly tilting at windmills, or has to bend to the compromise that is built in to our form of government.

It's that simple.

[NurseJackie]

21. They don't get it.

I guess that helps to explain why Bernie is LOSING.

[Lucinda]

23. Do they not teach civics anymore?

I don't understand how this isn't common knowledge...

[RadiationTherapy]

24. Right. You think "majority rules" and I am the one who needs a civics lesson.

Right.

[Lucinda]

26. Do you even know how congress works? Seriously.

No wonder many Bernie people have no interest in downticket races...

[RadiationTherapy]

29. I am comfortable with my understanding of congress. I am comfortable with my understanding of

critical theory and disproportionate power in the public square.

[RadiationTherapy]

22. Mmmm-hm. And everyone is equally powerful. And everyone's voice is heard.

And those who suffer and are oppressed, well, really, it is their fault for not moving their ideas into the mainstream. It's so simple!

Thanks for the heads up!

[Lucinda]

25. Do you seriously not know how our federal government works?

It was designed that way, on purpose, to keep the people from dealing with huge policy changes as one side or the other holds temporary power. If you don't want to work for what you believe in, to elect people who think like you from your local level upwards, then you will have to live with the policies of those that do.

[RadiationTherapy]

30. I don't know why you think I don't know this stuff or that I don't work at a grassroots level,

but it is fine with me.

[AgerolanAmerican]

27. you noticed that too?

I knew I couldn't have been the only one.

[Romulox]

28. Clintonites *are* conservatives. Almost by definition--they fight for the Status Quo. nt