2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders is losing the Democratic Primary because no one over 30 trusts him..
College-age voters believe college can be free, even though Sanders have not given a detailed plan-oh except raising taxes on the middle class.
He has these young voters believing if you are well-off, then you must be the devil or Hillary Clinton. Although, he is doing very well financially himself--i.e $23,000 home deduction.
He keeps bring up the transcripts, but he himself has not release no more than one year of tax returns. Why is that?
He insinuates Hillary is committing campaign fraud, although it is not illegal to raise money for fellow Democrats--something he has failed to do.
I'm 45 and I know Sanders is pandering to young voters naivete.
I don't know if anyone "says" this anymore. Back in the stone age of computers it meant "big grin."
k & r
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)because he still has not been vetted---I thought you knew that...
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"No one over 30 trusts him"
whistler162
(11,155 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)DebDoo
(319 posts)Enough with the bogus generalizations
and while we're at it, let's stop knocking the youth of our country for having the guts to try to change the country for the better.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)without massive disruptions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511224269
Armstead
(47,803 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)She is not interested in trying to restore the concept of free public college -- which we have had in the past.
Also, Bernie is doing what all politicians do -- setting a goal and proposing a road-map...knowing that it will subject to the process of legislation. But setting the goal. I prefer that to no goal.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)If compromise and incrementalism become necessary along the way so be it.
But not starting at compromise and small steps without a larger framework
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Then he would sound like Hillary.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Status quo is killing us, but great for the 1%.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)It is actually the greatest, most accessible system in the world. Taken in total it provides many, many pathways to higher education. Our university system is VASTLY superior to anything in Europe or Asia or South America or Africa or Australia. It is much less rigid and restrictive. Sure it can be improved. Costs need to be controlled. But what we don't need is to try to remake this remarkable system in the image of Europe's rather less open and accessible system.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)We should have kept things like slavery and ended the suffrage movement because they were just too damn disruptive.
Give me a fucking break
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)But it's very doable.
Now more from the AmeriCANS.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Who is paying for that?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)astrophuss42
(290 posts)Cynicism and secrecy are far preferred.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)it is true. Sanders have all these rallies on college campuses for a reason.
dchill
(38,505 posts)NYC Parks are not a universities, are they? Isn't there anything based in reality that you can use against "BS?"
TM99
(8,352 posts)He gains a higher majority in under 45 year olds including women for example, yet he still does well with those over 45 just not quite as well as Clinton.
He can win with both. She can not.
And yes, all of those arenas in Phoenix, parks in NYC, and convention centers in LA were all college campuses.
Did you really think no one will catch you or call you out on such bald faced lies? Well Clinton does so I suppose her supporters must as well.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)than this.
Your statement address none of your lies or us calling you out on them.
Playing games like this is so childish.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Calling me out ? Lies? Just because you disagree?
TM99
(8,352 posts)Yes, we are calling you out on blatant lies.
It is not a simple disagreement which is so post-Millennial. It is about facts. You state he only does rallies at colleges. He has done more elsewhere with larger crowds.
The list could go on.
And yes, you are lying and yes, I am calling your sorry ass out on it.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)per the campaign, was not at San Diego State?
Holy SHSSSIIIITTT and all this time I thought I covered that at Montezuma Mesa! (I kid of course)
Some of these people are right now quite well... comedic.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I have no idea why anybody even replies.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Imust be too young to understand numbers
Worried senior
(1,328 posts)will be 71 in July.
I like Bernie.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)If you say it can't be done, you never have to to try.
-none
(1,884 posts)As far as I am concerned Bernie is the only real candidate running. He is only candidate working for the people and not the 1%. The first one in a long, long time. And he is honest too. Can't say that about Hillary. At least not truthfully.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)That's why I can't support somebody whose positions are mostly to the right of the republicans I despised as a youth.
Frances
(8,545 posts)I am 74.
This is how I see our presidents.
I think FDR won fewer votes in his last election than previous elections and the country was becoming more right. Truman came close to losing to Dewey. Then Ike came along and was middle of the road. JFK moved left on social issues after he was elected. Johnson fulfilled Dems' dreams of Medicare and was left on social issues, but wrong on Vietnam. Nixon was Nixon. Carter was middle of the road. Reagan took us right. Bush and the Republicans took us further right. Clinton was middle of the road but reviled by the right just as Obama is. W was a disaster all the way around; he was the evangelicals dream candidate and better than Cruz would be. Obama has been an excellent president, but only slightly left.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Frances
(8,545 posts)I am extremely disappointed and frightened that it has moved so far right.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Saying all people do or think X, is a really high bar to meet.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)but thanz
shalafi
(53 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)"Don't trust anybody under 30 (who's looking for pie-in-the-sky promises)..."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)And it's been a long time since I saw 30. What a stupid, uninformed thing to say. All my old (retired) friends support Bernie.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Most people/voters over 30 do not trust Bernie Sanders. How's that?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)If you are unfamiliar with the meaning of ipse dixit, here it is:
In other words, you're making shit up. The fact that more young voters support Bernie does not lead inexorably, or even slightly, to a conclusion that voters over 30 don't trust him. Even the fact that Hillary has more support among older voters is not in any respect evidence of a lack of trust in Bernie. There are a lot of reasons to vote or not to vote for someone. Some old voters just want a woman president.
Personally, one of the reasons I prefer Bernie is that I don't trust Hillary as far as I can throw a grand piano. But even if I didn't consider her to be an untrustworthy tool of the 1%, I'd still prefer Bernie because he's proved himself to be a genuine progressive and he has better ideas.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Here in PA support Bernie.
Zero . Zip . Nada.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)over 30 may have had to endure more politic rhetoric over a lifetime and are maybe less likely to believe campaign promises
of free college, universal health care, expanded social security and what not.
I'd love to believe that stuff too and I'm glad that Bernie has the audacity to promote good things.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)first or the last to suggest new things. He has yet to articulate how he would implement all of those things.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)It's protest of the status quo on a pretty grand and vocal scale, not seen from the left since FDR probably.
It would be fantastic if anything good can come of it.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Sometimes I wish Hillary was more of visionary and idealist, but I will take practical mechanics any day over not getting anything done. And for the record I believe Hillary is a visionary, but she understands if anything is going to change for the better, she has to get things done and she is being pragmatic about it.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)and a leader. Hillary is a bureaucrat and a follower.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)and so is Hillary and she is realistic and not making promises she can not keep.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)him this entire campaign. She is no leader. Because she has no vision she doesn't understand that things can be done in a way different from the way she would do things. She has spent her life trading away this and that and working the system that she never stopped to think that the system was broken and needed to be overhauled. When you rise to the top of the system you have a vested interest in keeping that system in place. That's what she will do. She is no leader.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)response. Got it.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... taxes on the middle class for anything must stop spending our money on Aircraft Carriers which Sanders WONT DO
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)I'm 44. This is a shallow, vapid argument.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)They've always been in sort of clueless denial about the existence of us Gen Xers- if they think about us at all they still figure we're slacking off working at a starbuck, wearing nose rings and listening to "that Nirvana"
Millennials require a deeper, more willful denial, because the fact that they exist in bigger numbers than even the boomers poses an existential threat to these boomers' cherished sense of both their central place in the scheme of the universe AND their delusion of eternal youthful relevance.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)his supporters act as if he is the only that want to do something bold about healthcare, student debt, etc.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)College was so low cost, it was almost free at one time in this country.
He is not against the wealthy.
He is against the wealthy that do not think they should pay taxes.
The question of transcripts came up before the question of tax returns.
He will release what ever is asked pertaining to his taxes.
The Clinton's and the Clinton Foundation tentacles of power encompass
the entire globe.
Bernie is running against the establishment.
The Clinton's and the Clinton Foundation are the architects and power
brokers of the establishment.
Bernie is raising money for down ticket candidates running on his platform.
I am not naive.
There is absolutely nothing radical in Bernie's policies.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)over 25 years in Congress. Come on!!!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)This election season has been a prime one for condescending oldsplaining.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I'm 44 and I trust him and HRC. I think some here doth complain too much. It's freaking embarrassing.
Broward
(1,976 posts)The conservative mind seem stranger and stranger to me.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)45, and no better off for it.
shalafi
(53 posts)Yup, 2012 - ranked #17.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Is that he would raise taxes on the middle class. He has no plan to win back Congress. No plan to win back the state houses. The last democrat to run in the general election on raising taxes on the middle class was Walter Mondale. He won one state. His home state of Minnesota.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)How so? And where did you get those numbers?
senz
(11,945 posts)By the way, why do you use a decades-old photo of your candidate as an avatar? You don't have anything against older women, do you?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)rateyes
(17,438 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts)So much for that theory, eh?
Unicorn
(424 posts)I'm in my 40's and all of the Bernie supporters I know are out of their 20's.
Not knowing how Bernie would pay for free college tuition shows you spent zero time looking it up as it's been stated since the beginning. And, Hillary said she would release the transcript when Bernie released his. He released them - he stated he has none. Where are hers?
As far as taxes, how disingenuous - if you cared about taxes you'd be demanding Hillary to release all information of her holdings in the Caymans - which you can google about and she is cheating taxes by having. You can also ask her about her 5 shell companies in Deleware. Look up the term "Shell Company." But, that would assume you actually gave a damn about taxes. You wouldn't be supporting Hillary Clinton if you cared about tax evasion.
So you made this crap up and it's how you wish it were. This does nothing for your credibility and you aren't helping Hillary by making crap up.
Welcome to ignore.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Hillary has money in the Cayman Islands-prove it.
Unicorn
(424 posts)google.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/4/4/1199332/-Clinton-s-ties-to-Offshore-Tax-Havens
one of many sites you can go to about this.
adding more:
http://nypost.com/2016/01/18/hillary-clintons-caymans-tax-dodge-hypocrisy/
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/12/hillary-targets-cayman-tax-schemes-that-have-made-her-family-millions/
Note: the above link brings up Bills partnership in the company Yucaipa Global Partnership, which is registered in the Cayman Islands
And from the link: Clinton financial records show, Bill Clinton was also paid $225,000 to speak at a March 28, 2011 event that will target the business community in Grand Cayman.
And from the link: Marc Mezvinsky, the Clintons former Goldman Sachs banker son-in-law, is a partner at Eaglevale Partners, a hedge fund with entities incorporated in the Cayman Islands.
And an incestuous tie in the Panama tax haven that sheds more light on the Podesta group and Blumenthal as well as Libya
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/
"Blumenthal frequently emailed Clinton with items ranging from political gossip to in-depth intelligence briefings gleaned from his deep reservoir of intelligence community sources. He lobbied heavily on behalf of a company called Osprey Global Solutions, which sought contracts in post-Gaddafi Libya."
Wow, this ones a treasure trove of corrupt foreign policy connections to Hillarys lobbyist John Podesta and the Panama Tax haven.
A billionaire and a Russia-controlled bank named in the Panama Papers have links to Hillary Clinton through two separate lobbying efforts one through a Clinton-connected lobbying firm and another through Sidney Blumenthal.
Clinton is linked to Sberbank, Russias largest bank, through Podesta Group, a lobbying firm co-founded by Clintons campaign chairman John Podesta and his brother, Tony Podesta, a major Clinton bundler.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/#ixzz46aTce0Jz
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You really need to start googling Clinton.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Unicorn
(424 posts)I fully expect she put me on ignore.
Hi back!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Been reading into the big picture of these things... it is not pretty. I was going to ask about the Caymans, and I vaguely remember Yucailpa somewhere else not just the RW DC... all these are starting to emerge in other places.
basselope
(2,565 posts)So there are a lot of people over 30 who trust him.
He also wins with higher income people... so that kinda blows your whole theory apart, doesn't it?
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)What is your source for the "wins higher income people" quote? Make it a reputable source. i know lots of Democrats that are doing quite well financially and all support Hillary.
basselope
(2,565 posts)And that has been the whining cry from the Clinton campaign that he only attracts rich liberals.
Look at the NY results. Clinton did her best among people making under 30K. Sanders did his best among people making over 100K
2cannan
(344 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)that is found in all of us.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)I trust him more than anyone else on the political scene..
AirmensMom
(14,643 posts)I am well over 45 and anything but naive. I have a lot of 45+ year old friends and family, both male and female, who voted for Bernie. I also know of several Republicans who would vote for Bernie in the General but will NEVER vote for Hillary or any of the Republican choices. Spin it however you want, but you are wrong. I will never vote for "no we can't."
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...insulting young voters.
Way to win the primary!!!
dchill
(38,505 posts)There's probably a word for it.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Is not accurate.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Either you don't know or you are fabricating.. here's 30 years of "pandering"....
you wanna trash the free public colleges... we spend trillions on war... capital investment is taxed at a much lower rate then digging a ditch .. you as a progressive are against a transaction fee on Wall Street to pay for the public colleges... an investment in our nation and our people.. you sound more like a Reaganite than a Progressive..
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tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Yep. That "free college" was the line that hooked 'em. But the thing is, about 30% of the young people entering college never make it back for the second year. Too many also have useless majors. High school guidance counselors have not changed their "college - if you want to be something" line since the late 50's. when a union pipefitter gets a paid education, plus many end up with at least an associates degree, and makes over $70K a year after 5 years, then that says something. Oh. I have a degree in business and engineering - so before you start knocking what my point of view is based upon. Bernie doesn't get it and neither do most of his followers. his followers are political novices that have no idea that to get things done, it will also take at least a Democrat majority in the Senate. But Bernie has done nothing to support any candidates for the Senate.
jrandom421
(1,005 posts)While I got a degree in computer science and have made a good living, I look at my uncle, who was a union plumber in San Jose when it was mostly apricot orchards. Being one of the few certified to do commercial plumbing, ( he did a lot of work at Lockheed Missiles and Aerospace as well as Ames Research), he made millions when the computer industry started booming in the 70s.
amborin
(16,631 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)On Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bernie Sanders is losing the Democratic Primary because no one over 30 trusts him..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511810444
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Alerting because of the dishonesty of the post.
1. Blanket statement that no one trust Bernie who is over 30.
2. Statement that Bernie will raise taxes on middle class for free college tuition when Bernie has said he will take it from the war budget since day 1 of his campaign, 3. insulting voters in their 20's and college supporters of Bernie.
Please hide this dishonest post.
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nichomachus
(12,754 posts)And I find Bernie far more favorable than Mrs. Clinton. I've seen Hill & Bill Inc. in action. These are money-hungry people without any core principles -- beyond their own pocketbook.
Every Bernie supporter I know is over 45. They are not naive. Far from it.
The naive ones are the Clinton supporters who think she gives two shits about them. She would sell them downriver in a heartbeat if someone waved a big check in front of her nose. I really feel sorry for them. They are totally deluded about what she stands for and what she's capable of.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
B Calm
(28,762 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Many probably didn't really know OF him before he decided to run for President OR just like Hillary more..
The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)Good try with all the talking points, though. We're old enough to know that the best way to judge someone is by their decisions and the consequences of those. HRC fails. Too many have died and too many continue to suffer because of her judgements and actions. On the other hand, free tuition was available 50 years ago. The deconstruction of policies that led us to where we are now is entirely possible.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I will continue to work for the issues Bernie has raised. You are off on several counts. I'll leave others to fight with you. I am grateful to know I can vote as I choose.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Speech! Speech! Speech!
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)shalafi
(53 posts)So does everyone else I know. Clinton's trust: Crickets chirping and tumbleweeds tumble.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Bernie attracts voters of all ages. Have you ever seen his events on TV? Also, he will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for his tuition-free college proposal. The proposal will be achieved by imposing a tax on Wall street speculation. It saddens me when I see (people who I assume are) Democrats using republican talking points.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)50 and over is more apt.
And here's why. Most (not all, calm down) believe in the notion that "in America we WORK to get things". And so for 35 to 40 years people work for their benefits, work to send their kids to college, work to pay for their retirement.
And they have been suckers and we will all continue to be. You should not have had to work SOLELY for those things. Those are RIGHTS of human beings in the developed world. But it's so foreign to us because what we have been force-fed that anything alternative is considered ludicrous.
Oh but it will cost a lot.... We ALREADY PAY MORE than the European nations with universal health care and tuition free college. But throw the tax word out there and everyone freaks out.
Plenty of intelligent people support the Secretary. Intelligent people who want to transform our broken system (political, social, economic) aspire for something greater.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...of the Bernie supporters.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)There are many hypocrites on this board constantly attacking the knowledge, intelligence, and gullibility of Bernie's supporters. Should that happen the other way around the outrage is deafening.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)Been on DU for 12 years...and I support Bernie.
We don't need anymore AmeriCANTS. We need more AmeriCANS.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)I just proved you incorrect. I exist...therefore someone over 30 supports him.
And this, my friend, is way we stay away from absolutes in our arguments.
Mesee
(42 posts)I am 65 years old who lives in Sullivan County, NY. On Tuesday's Primary we voted for Bernie Sanders. My entire family voted for him. We strongly believe in Medicare for all, free Public Education (which we had until the mid-sevenths), bankruptcy protection, which Hillary voted against, stopping endless wars, etc. I also believe in the future and support young adults.
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)For a better country and world.
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)That makes at least two people over 30. Thread starter said no one.
I'd give you a percentage of how incorrect you are, thread starter...
But you can't divide by zero.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)And I'm female.
Funny how Camp Weathervane tries to erase the existence of Bernie's female supporters with their Bernie bros crap, and now this post tries to erase old people.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'm 67. I'm voting for Bernie when my state has its primary, and almost everyone I know in my age range is for him.
Quite frankly, I don't trust Hillary farther than I can spit. She has a lifetime of changing positions, especially if she thinks she'll get votes that way.
For the TPP, against the TPP. For fracking, but against polluted water. Willing to raise the age of Social Security, reduce its benefits, same with Medicare and open to compromise on woman's right to control her own body.
It just goes on and on.
If she is the Democratic nominee then I simply don't give a flying fuck who wins the election in November, because the lesser of two evils is still evil.
jfern
(5,204 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)But the "free college" would be paid for by a tax placed back on trade transactions... Basically, wall St would be helping to fund it. Plus, I believe we spend $60 billion/ yr on dealing with various grants and loan programs, getting rid of the middle man bankers would basically pay for college.
And why not? Y'all freaking laugh, but the rest of the world we compete with for global jobs, do send their young one's to higher education and training programs for free or for very low costs. How do you expect to get our best and brightest put front and with a chance at the next "break throughs". And with the limited job choices and lack of pay at many jobs, paying huge sums of debt until you are 40 or 50, never owning a home, not able to receive much of a reprieve in the event of not finding a decent paying job or losing it in another bust cycle the govt encourages, they are stuck.
So, keep laughing, but prioritizing payment of early childhood education/ development and on the other end higher education/ vocational training, is something that we ought to receive as an ingrained right for living and being the wealthiest, most productive country.
Ha, freaking, ha.
jmousso75
(71 posts)That statement is totally ridiculous! I am 59, my husband is 62 and we both voted for Bernie. Some of us are just sick of "third way" democratic policies brought on by the Clintons who threw the middle class under the bus, starting with NFTA.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I never here that term in media or anywhere else.
leftinportland
(247 posts)says this Boomer for Bernie!
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)More facts keep coming out about crooked Hillary. Today I read only 15% of the supposed charitable Clinton Foundation goes to charity. Yesterday I learned the FBI director investigating Hillary was the prosecutor of one of the criminals Bill pardoned and is very motivated to do a thorough job on Hillary.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)He never tried to hide his dealings/scripts with wall st from me.
Won't find SBS having a mitten's "47%" moment. He won't disparage the working class behind their backs.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)That's what I want to know..
katsy
(4,246 posts)and he never mentioned how irresponsibly the working class acted and made the poor wittle banker wankers have a sad.
Now, if he dissed working people behind their backs I'm all ears.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)a shit. I'm sure the IRS will audit if it's suspicious. Or are you supremely qualified
OTOH only 15% of the Clinton foundations cash ever helps anyone. 45% goes to salaries travel & entertainment.
What is it they say about glass houses and all.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)vile to take it as a tax deduction. Lose most receipts. And it's my money. Not someone else's that gave it to me under pretense of doing some good for the less fortunate.
Out of $138m the CF saw fit to use appx 6%, 8m for charitable grants.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511814333
If you can't see that something smells about the CF you are not being honest with yourself.
I'm sorry for you.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)difference between a totally legal choice in charitable giving and setting up a foundation that is set up to skirt taxation that benefits mostly the clintons? Tax free?
I call that fraud. On the same scale as wounded warrior if not more malignant, cynical.
No one knows what or how SBS really donates. Been there done that. People can relate to life's circumstances and charitable giving is personal.
Setting up a money laundering machine on the other hand will certainly reveal who we're really dealing with here. How does one get that much cash tax free in salaries and travel & entertainment on such a small percentage of charitable grants? It's fucking immoral is how. 45% spent on self. Nice.
insta8er
(960 posts)on Millionaires, please how naive can you be? You certainly haven't shown any form of self reflection. And are taking the bait hook line and sinker. Your use of the word "trust" was meant as a quid pro quo legitimizing your candidates lack of morals when it comes to money. Please keep believing in your pipe dreams, but don't call others out for being naive as this would more apply to you and your cheersquad. By God lets not hope she will send one of your loved ones to one of her high paying wars...so you can come back here and try to find sympathy. You will not get any from me! And on behalf of my 2 daughters age 10 and 20 I hope that this piece of deceit loses so they can have a future. BTW I am 48 and I do trust him more then your candidate who gets herself in all sorts of ethics and corruption related issues the whole majority of her adult live.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)does not make them bad people.
insta8er
(960 posts)Over the backs of you and me, how do you think Goldman Sachs pays for those 200k an hour speeches? That money has to come from some where. Start thinking about that stuff....also when you are at the pump and b...h about the fact that a gallon has gone up 10Cents in less then a week. Or why the tomatoes are so expensive. Bill Clinton and their posse is responsible for at least the part where our food prices have gone up. Do some research on "future commodity and Bill Clinton" and learn why it is that the banks nowadays are in the business of jacking up the prices of everyday stuff you and I buy. This is what is so frustrating about "our" generation..the lack of knowledge.
You are about to shoot yourself again in the foot with someone who is beholden to the special interests that only have 1 goal, to extract as much $$ from us "the regular guys" by every means possible.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)The drug lord? What does he has to do with this?
insta8er
(960 posts)But scores of the hill squad get their news neatly in 30 sec increments fed.
Luciferous
(6,082 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)But Bernie has a lot of supporters like myself, who are over 30 and are passionate about his platform.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...a school largely populated by people under 30.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)and I am not interested in your screen name whatsoever..
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Enjoy your weekend. My point still stands.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Jane Austin
(9,199 posts)and I totally trust Bernie. Wish I trusted his opponent as much.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)our back, not his.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I am very interested in the other tax returns. I pay more in taxes than Sanders. That's just wrong.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)contribute. In his forties, he got his first position as mayor where he got a steady income and was actually contributing. Then we see on one tax return, yes you are correct, 13%.
Now, that tells me this man is ultra in hypocrite or is exactly the model of why people will not go for a socialist system. Thos that do not contribute in, yet receive the free, while all the rest of us are paying for it.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I feel badly for you. All you have left are insults.
rock
(13,218 posts)The BSers have nothing except lies and poor opinions. Just ignore them. Your piece is very good. Love it!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)All you have is lies and poor opinions.
rock
(13,218 posts)There's a good example now!
matt819
(10,749 posts)beaglelover
(3,486 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)its a blighted nightmare where no one wants to go.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/04/real_estate/oregon-most-popular-moving-states-2015/?iid=EL
Plus it has legal pot, which explains why debbie wasserman schultz wants to put our entire state in prison.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/05/pf/oregon-unaffordable-california/
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)They're mostly harmless.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She said, as she enjoyed the smell of old urine wafting up from the street into the window of her 1400 sq foot three million dollar midtown manhattan condo.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Hah. Are you listening, Oregon and California? You've been kicked out.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Maybe the message is "Ah, fuckem"
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)i think she's gonna lose big in OR, though.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I think we're going to learn why visiting the Pope was a big deal.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)a first lady, senator, and sos. Where do you want her to live- in a shotgun house?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Maybe you should worry about the goofy assertions you've already made, like the one about no one over 30 trusting sanders, or the thing about how no one lives in the pacific northwest.
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asuhornets
(2,405 posts)It does not turn my stomach. It doesn't bother me at all. Why do you feel that way, really? It just an avatar showing support for your candidate.
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asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I am very sorry to hear that.
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redwitch
(14,944 posts)lumberjack_jeff
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)and there has been some real gems so far.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Derp the record"
choie
(4,111 posts)My sisters are 48 and 59 and we are all Bernie supporters and i have many other such examples. So I call bullshit. Plus, better he should pander to under 30 year olds than pander to corporations like Clinton.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)people are voting for her-a very diverse coalition.
choie
(4,111 posts)Under 30s - I replied that Clinton panders to corporations, which is true. Corporations may not vote, but they sure as hell give her a shit ton of bribes, I mean donations.
PWPippin
(213 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)for Bernie.
We are semi-retired or retired; home owners; college educated & have never missed voting in an election.
We chose Bernie over Hillary for many reasons, including his stance on social security, the environment - including no fracking!!; trade deals; overturning Citizen's United, and much much much more.
But I know - us old ladies are just a bunch of Bernie Bros.
Shame on you!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Your words: Why do you post shit like this?
I have read some of your posts as well. And let me tell ya they smelled as well.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)To move that big spoon around.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)michaz
(1,352 posts)potone
(1,701 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)MelSC
(256 posts)I think he's genuine and sincere, just not presidential material. I think he is way too idealistic and ahead of his time (not bad things), this will make him completely ineffective as POTUS. I have great admiration for Clinton, she blows everyone else away as far as I'm concerned.
jillan
(39,451 posts)MelSC
(256 posts)I don't see a point in bashing his personality. I see them both as great candidates and I get his appeal. I wish the Clinton bashing would end as well, but what can ya do?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Clinton on the other hand lies every time she opens her mouth. The ONLY thing I trust Hillary to do, is fuck working Americans over every time she gets the chance. Good thing she'll NEVER win the presidency. Ever.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)some of you don't get it. That does it. Ignore for you, too. Buh-bye.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Sheesh. I'm old enough to remember the last time we actually had tuition free college, here in California.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...to wit: " College-age voters believe college can be free, even though Sanders have not given a detailed plan-oh except raising taxes on the middle class."
Yes he has given a detailed plan:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/
And no it is not paid for by raising taxes on the middle class:
The cost of this $75 billion a year plan is fully paid for by imposing a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago. More than 1,000 economists have endorsed a tax on Wall Street speculation and today some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax including Britain, Germany, France, Switzerland, and China. If the taxpayers of this country could bailout Wall Street in 2008, we can make public colleges and universities tuition free and debt free throughout the country.
Since you cannot get even basic facts right, your polemic is duly noted and given the weight it is due: nothing, nada, zero, zilch.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)I'm 73 and I'm with the old man -- Bernie.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Your whole premise is faulty. The least trusted candidates are leading.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)Sanders crowd was mixed, There were no( or very few) people of color and most were younger than 40.
Most of the over 50, people of color and a few 30 somethings were in our HRC group.
This was the trend at the High School, it was very crowded.
My friends are my age 50+, most dont like/know him.
Thats my circle in Washington State. Many didnt vote including my son, mom and brother because that worked or wouldnt go. They support HRC.
That is all.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)I am more than twice 30 and my sister is even older -- both Bernie Boomers who will never vote for HRC
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Well guess they will not be voting for anyone because Sanders' name will not be on the ballot. But if he won-which I hope he does not I will vote for him without even holding my nose.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... you're full of whale shit and don't what the fuck you are talking about. No fucking wonder why you are a Hillarian. I know fucking tree stumps with a higher IQ.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)he's losing that's all that matter-those rallies don't mean thing. Hillarian such a pretty name..
rickford66
(5,524 posts)The best candidates don't always win. So circle the wagons and vote against Trump.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)I'll vote for him. That's not good enough for you.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Let's say for the sake of argument I'm 2X 30
Anyway, I know that no politician can do everything they claim they can while running, so this has never been an issue for me (either candidate.)
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)His message is appealing to me, it's his electability and ability to work with Congress that concerns me more.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)And "hypocrite Sanders is no different than a billionaire. How about that outrageous home deduction amirite?...". Thanks for an example of adult intelligence!
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)night night.
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)He wouldn't try to fulfill his campaign promises? You think he's just saying a bunch of Bull to trick people into voting for him? You poor guy. Do you believe in anything anymore?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)your words not mine
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Doesn't that imply they're being tricked?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)The younger voters has heard nothing but negative things about Hillary Clinton for years. The repugs has done a good job with that---but Bernie Sanders jumped on that bandwagon insinuating Hillary is crooked because she raises money for other Democrats. Her speeches was when she was a private citizen. Bernie doesn't give speeches because he is still a Senator and it is against the law for him to do so.
snpsmom
(681 posts)is a no one.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Why do those two words bother you so much?
All in it together
(275 posts)Had women in their 90's supporting him too.
All in it together
(275 posts)In Bernie's plan he taxes Wall Street translations which will be hardly anything to most people, but a lot to rich high speed traders with their super computers.
Marr
(20,317 posts)So your thesis is just factually incorrect.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Sanders has not been vetted-Hillary deals with him with kid gloves. That's why his positives are high,but good for him..He is exaggerating what he could accomplish.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Your claim about Sanders' level of perceived trustworthiness is simply not in line with the data. You can spin any tale you like to dismiss the data, but it doesn't make it any less true.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)What do you make of that? Maybe you could explain my wife's affinity for the man. She's 40. My conservative grandfather voted for Cruz based upon religion or some such bullshit, but he told me he liked Bernie, it's just that he couldn't vote for a Democrat. He's 88.
area51
(11,911 posts)I'm a bit older than you & I voted for Sanders.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)It's a tragedy of lost opportunity.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)If Bernie by some miracle wins the nomination, I will vote for him and hope that all he has promised will come to fruition.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)just what the country needs, nope and no change.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)If Bernie wins the Presidency, no one has any idea who he will appoint to his cabinet---that's the problem...Too many unknowns.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)malfeasance from day one. Unlike Obama, she has skeletons in every closet, so these investigations will draw blood. When she is not battling special prosecutors she will be demonstrating her willingness to go to war so that nobody can claim she is weak. In between military and legal crisises, her transformative agenda of nope and no change and oh by the way about that 150million we gave you and your husband will be front and center.
Should be a fabulous four years.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)"Should be a fabulous four years." Indeed..
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Clinton is winning as a household name with a nice-sounding agenda backed by enormous wealth. Sanders cut into that default support in every demographic, but has not yet been able to catch up.
Neener-neeners are unbecoming.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)and plenty of money. Many have voted for him.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)By a Hillary supporter
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)If so, did you say anything about those? I have an opinion just like everybody else.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)A million dollars buys a lot of trolling
rickford66
(5,524 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Who sits on the sideline ranting and raving about all the injustice and unfairness...why he has never had a bill he wrote become law...he can't build consensus...
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)dr60omg
(283 posts)I am 60 my husband is 62 we are both Bernie supporters. Our children are 34 and 32 both Bernie supporters. Mother in law 87 years old a Bernie supporters. Friends between the ages 45-80 all Bernie supporters
Stop generalizing and try to understand the world is NOT always how you see it.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)and yes I'm on DU, but my 71-year-old father is not, and he trusts him. My 60-ish neighbor who doesn't even "do" Internet is impressed with his debate performances and genuine likability.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)
all the passions, pro and con spent over any of our candidates is a waste. With the law making, I repeat, law making and judicial sectors of our government being daily bought off by the lobbyists who are controlled by people in the powerful banking and corporate sectors of our society, we don't count, Wasserman has told us va' a farti fottere! when it came to important concerns about the Democratic Party 'leadership' bias in favor of HRC, the banking and corporate friend, that is ahead, slightly in delegate count this primary season.
With the PTB who are the corporate and banking powers who are controlling lawmakers of every political stripe, we wanting a particular candidate like Bernie may be the wisest choice for caring and discerning Americans, but our Party 'leadership' and the lobbyists are the final say. This sliding in of electronic voting machines was brilliant in their ability to destroy the true vote counts of the people. Money has totally corrupted our system and we don't, so far, have the power to stop its influence on our Executive, Judicial and Legislative branches of government when it comes down to the welfare of the people versus corporate and banking greed.
Bernie or Hillary. Doesn't matter. One is already proven to be "uberfriendly" with the PTB that money and greed represent in our 'democratic' system of governance and the other, Bernie, if he should by some miracle end up at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as POTUS, will basically be thwarted in his idealistic campaign promises just as our current POTUS has been for the last 7+ years.
I will vote for whoever our nominee ends up being, but I've grown up, politically, culturally and racially in the last 7+ years. Racially, I know certain races don't count locally or nationally, proven from Micheal Brown to Sandra Bland to Tamir Rice, an 11 year old and all those beyond. Culturally, Trump and his followers have shown me just how debased this society has become. Politically I understand the power money has versus power of the people. Money WINS EVERY TIME.
Until enough people and politicians want that truth changed, it shall remain the truth of our system.
2banon
(7,321 posts)bizarro world has really taken over this site.