FOX NEWS POLL: Trump leads in California, Clinton-Sanders in close race

[silvershadow]

Republican Donald Trump holds a big lead in California, in a new Fox News Poll, while Hillary Clinton has a razor-thin edge over Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race.

Trump captures 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters. That’s more than the combined support for his two remaining competitors: Ted Cruz receives 22 percent and John Kasich 20 percent.

The mogul leads his rivals by a wide margin among every demographic group, including those he sometimes has trouble capturing: women, young voters, college graduates, and very conservatives.

Clinton is up by just two points over Sanders among California likely Democratic primary voters (48-46 percent).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/22/trump-leads-in-california-clinton-sanders-in-close-race.html?intcmp=hpbt2

[griffi94]

1. Hillary will start pulling away

after Tuesday.

The wider the delegate gap gets, the Bernie will poll.

[silvershadow]

2. California. nt

[griffi94]

5. Yeah I saw it was California

And if that primary were Tuesday that might matter.

But by the time California votes Bernie will likely be down close to 300 delegates.

HIs winning will be a mathmathic impossibility.
Some of his voters will switch to Hillary. Some will skip
the primary.

[silvershadow]

6. And yet it doesn't matter because he's in it to the very end. All the way to convention. nt

[griffi94]

9. Of course he's in til the convention

where Hillary will when on the first ballot and Bernie will endorse her.

After Tuesday his rallies will start to draw a hard line between the Democrats and the Republicans.

He knows Hillary is going to be the nominee.

[senz]

13. She has to earn his endorsement.

[griffi94]

26. No she doesn't

He'll endorse.

She'll give him a few of the issues he wants.
Bernie knows how it works. He'll really start toning it down after Tuesday

[senz]

37. She's a sold-out corporatist warmonger. No exaggeration, it's true.

And Bernie is perfectly polite; he has nothing to "tone down."

[griffi94]

38. He's already started toning it down

Todays issue was that she supports a tax on soda and Bernie thinks that hurts working families.

It's a nice safe little disagreement.

He's done with the bombastic fire breathing rhetoric.

No more she's not qualified statements.

[senz]

40. That was shortly after she made VERY personally demeaning jabs at him.

But then we all remember 2008. We know what she is.

[griffi94]

41. I know what she is

She's the front runner.
Bernie knows he can't win.
That's why he's toning it down.
He wanted to run as a Democrat for the data and the money and the high profile.

Now he'll start helping bring the party back together because they let him run as a Democrat.

[senz]

48. Bernie has done fine for 30+ years as an Independent.

He has worked closely and cooperatively with the Dems in congress but he doesn't need them. He ran as a Dem primarily because he didn't want to be a Nader style spoiler. He knows perfectly well that Hillary is a corporate-owned war monger who lies and engages in gutter-level politics, but if he loses the nomination he might be able to hold his nose and endorse her in order to keep a Republican from getting in -- except, odds aren't very high that she couldn't win the GE with all her negatives.

He has said that she'd have to change her platform for him to endorse her. Of course we all know that words are empty when she utters them, so any change would be a formality.

[griffi94]

51. For committee assignments he does need them

He also needs them for any legislation that he wants
for the state of Vermont. Don't they build
some military airplanes there.

They're OK with Bernie being Indie but he's not going to set terms.
They have a stick over his head

[senz]

73. Bernie knows how congress works

and he has a genius for getting things done. He has worked closely and cooperatively with Democrats and Republicans for a quarter of a century to achieve humane, progressive objectives.

No, they don't build military airplanes in Vermont. They housed part of a fleet there.

You don't know any of this because you aren't very well informed on the subject.

[onenote]

84. If Bernie endorses her and she doesn't win, it hurts Bernie big time

Just as Clinton's endorsement and Obama's victory paid off for Clinton, a Bernie endorsement and a Clinton win will benefit Bernie. But if his endorsement turns out not to mean anything, no one in politics is going to be paying much attention to Bernie after November 2016.

[senz]

90. Bernie has stirred a huge undercurrent that is not going away.

You may think everything is safely under wraps by the current power holders, but you're wrong about that.

[onenote]

91. We shall see. I'm not as optimistic as you.

[silvershadow]

82. "Tone it down" is a euphemism for quit talking about my horrendous candidacy. nt

[senz]

92. Precisely. nt

[silvershadow]

14. No he doesn't know anything just like you don't. nt

[griffi94]

30. I know he's lost

I know wishful thinking polls from RW sources won't change that.

So yeah. I do know something. I know that.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

34. I refuse to listen to neoliberal propaganda.

You and the Corporate Media are trying to demoralize us on behalf of a corrupt international gun dealer. It won't work and many of us will never vote for her. I will never vote for another neoliberal again. Welcome to "full ignore."

[woolldog]

36. lol

[senz]

74. I know anything could happen.

I also know Hill's chances in the GE would be quite tenuous.

[Zynx]

17. Yeah, but he has to win California by an absurd margin.

Even winning by 20 only nets him about 90 delegates.

[silvershadow]

20. So? Clinton stayed until June last time. We will too. nt

[Zynx]

22. She wasn't behind by nearly as much.

Also, she dropped out as soon as she was eliminated by the combination of super delegates and pledged delegates. Do you support that position?

[silvershadow]

27. He isn't behind by outside the realm of a California surprise. Indiana is looking within the

margin of error. A path is there, however slim. We will take that path to the convention and then see where we are. Are you trying to disenfranchise California voters?

[Zynx]

63. No, but I do want an honest accounting of the situation.

Especially since Sanders campaign funds are going down the drain to enrich ad agencies and consultants while not having a good shot at this.

[Samantha]

77. And remember Oregon which is rumored to go big for Sanders (eom)

[liberalnarb]

3. I never understood why DUers use fux noise as a source...ever.

[silvershadow]

4. Well in this case it supports my candidate. Additionally, I have been scolded for not using

only mainstream news sources, so I'm limited on sources. Currently treading thin ice on alerts.

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Fux is mainstream and credible only if you are a Republican

Otherwise one should know better.

[silvershadow]

44. Yeah we have such purity tests now that only stuff reported by the big 4 or 5 are allowed,

and since their in the bag for your candidate, that's convenient.

[Maru Kitteh]

52. Why not go dig up something from Breitbart or The Blaze?

If you're going to bring us back dead fish from the mouth of the Republican spillway, you might as well just skip the middle-man, suit up, and dive right into the sewer.

[silvershadow]

57. If it is true, I would, but it is frowned upon even when true. How convenient. nt

[silvershadow]

61. Here's one from The Hill..if that is palatable for you:

7 lingering questions in the Clinton email investigation

The FBI appears to be entering the home stretch of its investigation into Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

Yet even as arrangements are reportedly being made to interview Clinton and her top aides, much remains unclear.

The FBI under Director James Comey refuses to publicly discuss the investigation, as is customary, but critics say the lingering questions show the review is anything but routine and could result in criminal indictments.
Here’s a look at what is still not publicly known.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/275111-seven-lingering-questions-in-clinton-email-investigation

[griffi94]

8. Same reason there was a thread with a lot of Fox News links today

The normally acceptable media sources think Bernie is done.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

11. Normally acceptable news sources do not exist.

At least on politics. Anything from Corporate Media sources must be viewed with skepticism, imo. If Thom Hartmann, Amy Goodman, Naomi Klein, Robert Reich or Bill Moyers reports something, I tend to believe it. Otherwise, skepticism is required. The constant lies, distortion, spin and bias by Corporate Media are astounding.

Of course Fox "news" is less credible than other sources, but from Rachel Maddow to Bill O'Reilly to Paul Krugman, all we have is lots of distortion and spin.

[griffi94]

21. I saw the Washington Examinor linked here today

It's past funny.
Now it's just sad.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

29. The NYT and WaPo have not

done credible political reporting in a quarter of a century. Check out the old Daily Howler archives. Lying and spinning has been the journalistic norm on political reporting for decades. NPR is a joke.

[griffi94]

32. Yeah the media is dishonest

They don't tell the whole truth.
Let's try Fox News and the Washington Examiner.
Hahahahahaha.

[BlueStater]

7. So glad to see Ted Cruz flopping. n/t

[Qutzupalotl]

10. That's within striking distance.

Hell, it's within the MOE.

[silvershadow]

12. Yes it is. nt

[senz]

15. They are virtually tied. I hope Caifornia comes through for Bernie.

[Zynx]

16. It won't.

It has to come through for him by a whopping margin. This sort of outcome dooms him.

[senz]

23. California's an open primary. He could do very well.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

31. ^^THIS^^ n/t

[Retrograde]

35. Not completely open

The presidential primary is closed, although certain parties - the Democrats among them - let non-partisan voters vote for the presidential candidate if they request a partisan ballot.

All other offices have open primaries.

[senz]

39. Well then, California Bernistas had better tell that to independents

because it's crucially important to elect Bernie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. I have run a few stories on this

not because I care who they vote for, but that they vote.

[senz]

75. Well, I'm glad you have

because voting is a good thing.

[JonLeibowitz]

78. California is very promising to Bernie for a number of reasons

The first being that the Democratic party allows NPPs to vote in the primary. The othermajor factor is that the Republicans do not. So in a way we see the result of a primary in which Trump didn't pull half the independents. The race may have proceeded very differently without the Trump.

[Retrograde]

79. It's also the first open senate seat in years

Boxer's retiring, and her seat is up this year. IMHO, that's at least as big as the presidential primary.

The senate primary is open: anyone can vote for anyone, top two finishers go on to November.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Yeah but Kamella Harris does not impress me,

all to do with San Onofre and Democratic politics to be precise. You cover news, there is so much shit you learn about these people, Many times not nice shit.

Essentially she did not do the investigation, term limits have come and gone, and that is becuase the people appointed to the PUC are friends of the governor. Them are the cliffs notes. Any way, my vote will not count, so whoever I vote for really does not matter.

[MineralMan]

86. Who? Did you mean Kamala Harris?

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Yes, the AG of Caifornia

you need that much clarification? really.

[MineralMan]

88. Yes, and I know how to spell her name, too.

That stuff matters, really. You may not think so, but it does. She's not an unknown person. In fact, her name is widely known, even nationally.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. That is fine I love spell flames

You did not even address one point of what I said, about San Onofre and what right now is being seen as likely corruption, I know dems could never ever engage in that,

What am I thinking.

Is the talking point out to go attack on spelling flames today? Three so far. I got to think it is

Lovely...

And it is hilarious.

[factfinder_77]

18. Odd: Sanders has a 19-point advantage among Hispanics.

?

[lumberjack_jeff]

54. Not odd at all.

[ViseGrip]

19. Hillary has lost her very large lead....

[silvershadow]

24. +1. It is about the trend. Hillary is trending down in favorability with net negatives.

Bernie is the only candidate on either side with huge net positives.

[Demsrule86]

25. Fox New poll

so impressive not.

[silvershadow]

28. None of them are, now are they? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Ok that explains the Trump robocall

snort...

[DCBob]

43. A close race in California doesnt help Bernie.

By then he will need about a 80-20 win to catch up.

[Logical]

45. LOL, Bob, you are missing the point that a unknown socialist is taking Hillary on and winning....

states against her political machine. Like in 2008, she is terrible in closing the deal.

[DCBob]

46. LOL... you are missing the point that the unknown socialist has zero chance of winning.

[Logical]

47. Hillary was 'inevitable' yet is still not the nominee. Only a clueless hill.....

fan can think it is good news she is struggling and still losing states.

[DCBob]

50. You clearly are the "clueless" one.. she is cruising to the nomination..

and then on to the WhiteHouse!

[senz]

76. The people of this country deserve better.

Maybe you don't like them?

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Now you are going to tell me how my state votes?

I am sorry to point this to you, but decline to state voters can vote in the Democratic primary.

[DCBob]

59. What are you "sorry" about??

Your comment make no sense whatsoever.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Translation, the D side of the house IS FUCKING OPEN to decline to state voters

Obviously you have no clue.

[DCBob]

62. I guess so cuz I still dont get it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Willfull, the CLOSED primary in the state is the Republican primary

for completeness so is the Green Party and Peace and Freedom parties.

The dem party is OPEN to decline to state, you know the independents you hate.

I guess you are going to correct me, so here from the registrar. I hope this makes it transparent for you.

No Party Preference (nonpartisan)

If you are registered No Party Preference, also known as nonpartisan, no presidential candidates will be listed on your ballot. As of March 31, just under 400,000 voters in San Diego County were registered as No Party Preference.

Options for No Party Preference:

You can vote for a presidential candidate in the American Independent, Democratic or Libertarian parties, but you need to request one of those ballots at your designated polling place. Those three parties allow nonpartisan voters to take part in their presidential primaries.

If you are registered as No Party Preference but you want to vote for a presidential candidate in the Green, Peace and Freedom or Republican parties, you must re-register with that party by May 23. Those three parties allow only registered members to vote for president in their primaries.

http://www.countynewscenter.com/news/voting-president-primary-know-rules

[DCBob]

65. I realize California is an open state.. why didn't you just simply say that?

Its doesn't matter.. Hillary will still do well enough to maintain her huge delegate lead going into the convention.

I don't "hate" independents. What a clueless comment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. From the comments you people have been posting, yes yes you do

I want you, I urge you, to close all primaries, hold it on your own dime and get off the government teat.

[DCBob]

69. I think registered Democrats should have the right to elect the Democratic nominee.

That has nothing to do with "hating" anyone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. I agree with you

and we the taxpayers should not pay for your election, or the greens, or the Rs or anybody else who decides to close their elections. We agree I suppose. I expect a lot of caucuses, and we should stop pretending this is democratic.

[KingFlorez]

49. He'll win Mendocino, Humboldt and the really right-wing counties, but that's about it

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Clinton will win California by at least 10%. Southern California dominates the vote and it is not Sanders friendly territory.

[frylock]

53. Cali is Sanders country.

I haven't seen a lick of support for Hillary in LoCal.

[silvershadow]

55. Thank you! I know it! They are just desperate now. nt

[apcalc]

66. This site contains more Republican

Garbage everyday.

Ugh

Think it's time to head on out.

[silvershadow]

68. The Clintons are to the extreme right, so...

[apcalc]

71. Hah

Too funny

[silvershadow]

72. I'm glad you can laugh at what you did to my party. nt

[apcalc]

83. Ridiculous

[MFM008]

80. Sorry I dont believe ANYTHING

Fox puts out there, Even if it said HRC was ahead by 50 points. They lie.

[silvershadow]

81. Good call. I will double my efforts. nt