2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDebby Schultz: Clinton Used Private Email The Same Way as Previous Secretaries of State … (Video)
Other Than the Private Server
vintx
(1,748 posts)Other SoS's used private email.
Not private email SERVERS.
Can these people seriously be this stupid? Or are they really just shameless fucking liars?
EDIT: LOL, I see, she got to it later.
What a fucking bullshit slinging scam artist. I fucking hate her so much. She needs to retire and go away. Far, far away.
insta8er
(960 posts)she is lying!....Lets see how long we can keep this video up here.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Fucking pathetic. Con artists. Shameless con artists.
insta8er
(960 posts)I can see why people accuse her of having her thumb on the scale for HRC, the way she is defending her is beyond being impartial.
When did this country become one that is supporting the people that so clearly are gaming the system?
vintx
(1,748 posts)right from the moment she announced the primary schedule. If not before.
Loathe is too soft a word. I absolutely abhor her.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Demsrule86
(71,033 posts)Colin Powell said it was true on MSNBC and her is an article from News Week Feb 2016
The shocking truth about the last two Republican secretaries of state has finally come out: Colin Powell and aides to Condoleezza Rice trafficked in classified information on their personal email accounts. This is an enormous scandal!Oh, wait. No, its not.This news involving Powell and Rice is meaningless except that it sets up a rational conversation (finally) about the Hillary Clinton bogus email-gate imbroglio. Perhaps the partisans on each side will now be more willing to listen to the facts. From the beginning, the scandal about Clinton using a personal email account when she was secretary of stateincluding the finding that a few documents on it were retroactively deemed classifiedhas been a big nothing-burger perpetuated for partisan purposes, with reports spooned out by Republicans attempting to deceive or acting out of ignorance. Conservative commentators have raged, presidential candidates have fallen over themselves in apoplectic babbling, and some politicians have proclaimed that Clinton should be in jail for mishandling classified information. The nonsense has been never-ending, and attempts to cut through the fog of duplicity have been fruitless.
vintx
(1,748 posts)I guess we know why you're still spewing this nonsense. At least you're not a fucking liar.
insta8er
(960 posts)that is not controlled by the Hill gang, you would come to know that there are no documents being retro actively made classified.
The reason for this is...wait for it...wait for it..let me use capital letters so you might not miss it.. PRIVATE SERVER....That does not have any classification system installed on it. ONLY GOVERNMENT SERVERS have CLASSIFICATION Systems and triggers. So everything that was on that PRIVATE SERVER was not Classified on that system. BUT WAS CLASSIFIED ON THE GOVERNMENT SERVERS. I am in IT myself, if you need a crash course I will point you out to where you can read up on it.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)going on.
TM99
(8,352 posts)No, this is not the same.
A private email account is not the same as a private email server.
This woman need to be out on her ass really fucking soon!
TheBlackAdder
(29,021 posts)Autumn
(46,664 posts)in their private e mail and ran it through their private server to avoid FOIA requests.
amborin
(16,631 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...like Clinton did with Blumenthall, possibly others. And other SoS didn't form a slush fund to handle quid pro quo 'donations' from corporations and foreign govts with business pending in State Dept.
BTW...DWS is a liar. She lies constantly. You can tell she's lying because her lips are moving.
Tarc
(10,579 posts)in order to attack Hillary Clinton.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Did you notice the fast smile at the very beginning? She is just so false. It was a real effort to show support for both candidates, wasn't it DWS?
Dem2
(8,178 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Thanks for posting this.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Debby Schultz is a real pice of work, and she is incharge of running the DNC, what a tragedy.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)How was the play besides that, Mrs. Lincoln?
onecaliberal
(36,330 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)and setting up a secret server in your house's basement, then you can't be a glassy-eyed votary dedicated to destroying every principle of the party to ensure a coronation
duh!
beedle
(1,235 posts)I'm not sure at all if this still works the same way as it used to but I would suspect that it would still make sense to operate in a similar fashion.
You and your ID are classified at a certain 'security level', let's say for the sake of an example I have a security level of "6".
All my communications are also by default at 'level 6', meaning that by default only people at security level 6 or above will be able to access my documents, and I will not be able to send even an email to anyone at a level less than 6.
If I tried to send an email to a level 5 or lower person the system would automatically prevent me from doing so, coming back with a message warning me with a gentle reminder of my attempt to breach security protocol.
So, if I want to send an email or document to a level 5 or lower I would be reminded that I need to review what I am sending to make sure that the information was suitable for someone under my security classification to view. The system couldn't decide that (unless of course I was attempting to forward an email or document from someone else with the same or higher classification, in which case I would just be refused, the owner of the original email or document would be the only person able to lower the security level on their documents or emails - well, there were other ways, but it needed to go up the chain to happen.)
If I reviewed my document and decided that all the level 6 classified info was either removed, or was actually suitable to a lower security level I would have to temporarily lower my personal security level on the system, to the level that I was attempting to send the information to .. so if I though I needed to send an email to a level 5 person to say invite them to lunch, I would set my security level to 5 and send the email (soon as I finished that single function my security level was immediately returned to a level 6 to make sure I didn't accidentally send out level 6 info to other level 5 people.)
Okay, so that's probably a little long winded and not really that relevant on on modern systems, but security level systems, be they computer or otherwise should still work in a similar fashion. The information you handle is automatically at YOUR security level, and you need to explicitly lower the security level if you are passing it on to others of a lower security level, and that process needs to be documented or at least recorded.
A private system in your basement is highly unlikely to meet the requirements of the a government department such as the State Department, meaning every single email sent from the system was in breach of security protocols. Yeah, it's possible that nothing was passed on to people of the wrong security level, unlikely but possible, but just the fact that there was no audit trail available to confirm this assertion would make it a serious breach of security.
Now maybe things have changed from the early 90's, maybe there are no more security levels and State Department security protocols are just a 'best efforts' things these days ... again, that's highly unlikely, and no matter how low the standards have fallen, I still have serious doubts your average basement server Windows IT admin is up to the task of keeping a certified secure system up and running to DoD level standards (especially since we know for sure that they didn't even use a fucking certificate to encrypt their communications for a good part of the servers existence.)