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Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:03 PM

 

Clock is ticking Bernie supporters

Those who are clear thinking democrats will know Hillary is our nominee and shift support. Those who have gone off the cliff... Meltdown this time tomorrow.

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Reply Clock is ticking Bernie supporters (Original post)
realmirage Apr 2016 OP
dlwickham Apr 2016 #1
realmirage Apr 2016 #2
Rass Apr 2016 #78
Lucinda Apr 2016 #88
realmirage Apr 2016 #93
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #144
840high Apr 2016 #103
GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #3
realmirage Apr 2016 #6
GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #13
realmirage Apr 2016 #15
GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #22
realmirage Apr 2016 #25
GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #29
realmirage Apr 2016 #33
GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #41
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #67
artislife Apr 2016 #66
Post removed Apr 2016 #95
Unicorn Apr 2016 #132
griffi94 Apr 2016 #45
Unicorn Apr 2016 #142
Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #120
realmirage Apr 2016 #123
insta8er Apr 2016 #50
Marrah_G Apr 2016 #4
Broward Apr 2016 #5
realmirage Apr 2016 #8
Broward Apr 2016 #16
Depaysement Apr 2016 #65
winter is coming Apr 2016 #10
realmirage Apr 2016 #12
Broward Apr 2016 #18
insta8er Apr 2016 #53
Broward Apr 2016 #56
Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #7
realmirage Apr 2016 #9
Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #19
realmirage Apr 2016 #21
Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #24
realmirage Apr 2016 #27
Ellipsis Apr 2016 #28
Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #47
realmirage Apr 2016 #52
Ellipsis Apr 2016 #85
artislife Apr 2016 #68
realmirage Apr 2016 #69
artislife Apr 2016 #72
Autumn Apr 2016 #75
jack_krass Apr 2016 #139
HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #11
realmirage Apr 2016 #14
hack89 Apr 2016 #35
Ellipsis Apr 2016 #17
Trust Buster Apr 2016 #20
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #23
SalviaBlue Apr 2016 #26
mimi85 Apr 2016 #32
Rob H. Apr 2016 #101
nc4bo Apr 2016 #30
realmirage Apr 2016 #34
Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #42
tonedevil Apr 2016 #74
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #40
Octafish Apr 2016 #31
realmirage Apr 2016 #39
Octafish Apr 2016 #44
realmirage Apr 2016 #46
Octafish Apr 2016 #71
redwitch Apr 2016 #70
Aerows Apr 2016 #36
RKP5637 Apr 2016 #38
Aerows Apr 2016 #54
840high Apr 2016 #104
RKP5637 Apr 2016 #37
bluedigger Apr 2016 #43
realmirage Apr 2016 #49
bluedigger Apr 2016 #58
pat_k Apr 2016 #48
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #51
realmirage Apr 2016 #55
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #57
realmirage Apr 2016 #62
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #63
artislife Apr 2016 #60
northernsouthern Apr 2016 #61
realmirage Apr 2016 #64
northernsouthern Apr 2016 #73
GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #76
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #77
Live and Learn Apr 2016 #79
realmirage Apr 2016 #116
Live and Learn Apr 2016 #143
wendylaroux Apr 2016 #80
840high Apr 2016 #106
realmirage Apr 2016 #119
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #81
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #82
dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #83
realmirage Apr 2016 #100
Vattel Apr 2016 #84
realmirage Apr 2016 #102
Vattel Apr 2016 #105
realmirage Apr 2016 #108
polichick Apr 2016 #86
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #87
frylock Apr 2016 #89
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #90
Ken Burch Apr 2016 #91
7wo7rees Apr 2016 #92
realmirage Apr 2016 #94
7wo7rees Apr 2016 #96
Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #97
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #122
Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #98
realmirage Apr 2016 #99
Meteor Man Apr 2016 #107
realmirage Apr 2016 #111
k8conant Apr 2016 #109
realmirage Apr 2016 #112
k8conant Apr 2016 #114
realmirage Apr 2016 #128
k8conant Apr 2016 #129
jfern Apr 2016 #110
realmirage Apr 2016 #113
k8conant Apr 2016 #115
realmirage Apr 2016 #130
k8conant Apr 2016 #137
jfern Apr 2016 #117
kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #118
realmirage Apr 2016 #124
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DJ13 Apr 2016 #121
realmirage Apr 2016 #126
DJ13 Apr 2016 #138
Unicorn Apr 2016 #125
realmirage Apr 2016 #127
Unicorn Apr 2016 #131
riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #135
Unicorn Apr 2016 #136
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #140
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #133
Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #134
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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:04 PM

1. are we grave dancing or just eatin popcorn

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:07 PM

2. Those who have gone off the cliff

 

Are the only ones who will be overly upset. Reasonable people already know Hillary has always been a great candidate. Just as I would have been had Bernie won.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:11 PM

78. Hillary is our gal

 

More policies to lock up minorities. More wars that need no justification. Let's send all of our jobs overseas. Who cares about universal health care or a free college system? Rah Rah Hillary!

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Response to Rass (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:43 PM

88. Could you be any more poorly informed? I don't think so. n/t

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Response to Rass (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:02 PM

93. Mmmm talking points taste good!

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #93)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:27 AM

144. Empty calories.

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Response to Rass (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:28 PM

103. +10

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:08 PM

3. this is about issues, not celebrities

see you in Philly

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:10 PM

6. Didn't realize Clooney was on the ballot?

 

Since last year Bernie made it clear who the best 2 candidates are. Except when he started losing

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Response to realmirage (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:14 PM

13. I want to be wrong, I really do...

Are there any issues or policies you want to move or is this just about Hillary?

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:16 PM

15. It's about beating republicans

 

Now that the primary is basically complete

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Response to realmirage (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:20 PM

22. so Social Security is fine, healthcare system perfect and affordable,... ?

For me that is the difference, issues before celebrity.

I don't give anyone a blank check and I don't believe that you win just because the other guy loses -- in some games you BOTH lose.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:23 PM

25. It's about realizing the primary

 

is over and Hillary is a good candidate

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Response to realmirage (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:27 PM

29. So California doesn't get to vote, PA, CT, all of those

you are taking their votes away.

And you haven't named even one issue that you like Hillary on.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:31 PM

33. The math

 

The time for debating issues is over. That's been going on for months. This thing is mathematically over, so, to answer your question, California's votes don't matter except in the symbolic sense.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:36 PM

41. are you not allowed to say an issue?

real people want real things, not just numbers

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:49 PM

67. Someone with 43 posts tells us the debate has raged for months

 

And the time for talking about issues is over?

A million dollars buys a lot of 'loyalty'.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:49 PM

66. And yet another poster who though only here

 

for a handful of days, knowing the ropes and pretty pissy that half the board hasn't fallen into line.


You are a "real mirage".

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Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:10 AM

132. that is a sexist attack and dispicable.

 

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:38 PM

45. Who's trying to stop California from voting?

They can vote.
It's not going to change the outcome.
Hillary has this.
But they can still vote.

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Response to griffi94 (Reply #45)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:06 AM

142. If they can vote there will be no problem.

 

The problem is that too many states had institutionalized problems preventing people from voting.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:51 PM

120. If it's over stop trying to shut him down. You people make no sense. Your fearful desperation

is palpable.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #120)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:59 PM

123. Until the Bernie or Bust/Hillary's suddenly the devil noise machine stops

 

Hillary supporters will keep reminding them that their party has chose the nominee, and she's a very good one.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:39 PM

50. Not to them, in the Kardeshian age it is about fandom, money and the status quo..that they are the

 

ones paying the bill does not register with them.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:09 PM

4. Off to ignore you go, little puppet

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:10 PM

5. You're a good little soldier.

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Response to Broward (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:11 PM

8. On the winning side

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:17 PM

16. Are you a one percenter? If not, you're not winning anything.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:49 PM

65. Get ready for war

Oh, wait . . . you won't have to fight . . .

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Response to Broward (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:12 PM

10. Many mercenaries are. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:13 PM

12. Good one?

 

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:18 PM

18. Yep, nt.

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Response to Broward (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:40 PM

53. So are you, lockstep with the corporate line...why do you want to call yourself a democrat anyway?

 

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Response to insta8er (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:41 PM

56. Useful idiots abound.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:11 PM

7. Constructive

.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:12 PM

9. Just like the zillion anti Hillary posts in GDP?

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:18 PM

19. Or the Zillion Anti Bernie post.

.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:20 PM

21. Count them

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:22 PM

24. Why.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:23 PM

27. You might not like the results

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:25 PM

28. is that your game then?

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Response to realmirage (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:38 PM

47. I wonder.

You wouldn't be posting this flamebait just to up your post count would you?
Because it is a good technique.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:40 PM

52. The only one who apparently cares about post count is you. I don't give a shit

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:23 PM

85. l fuckin' care and it IS flamebait!

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Response to realmirage (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:50 PM

68. I have counted your days. nt

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #68)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:51 PM

69. Murder?

 

What the hell are you talking about?

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Response to realmirage (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:53 PM

72. The number of days you have belonged to this site

 

Please someone who has paid for this site, let me know if this one has a star. Because I have a theory.

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Response to artislife (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:03 PM

75. I believe your theory is correct.

No

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Response to realmirage (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:32 AM

139. BUT MOMMY, THEY DID IT FIRST!!!

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:12 PM

11. Delegate count and trends....

 

HRC won't have enough delegates to reach nomination without SDs BEFORE convention...

Who's going 'off the cliff' again?

convention should be VERY interesting, I'm looking forward to it, are you?

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:14 PM

14. Absolutely.

 

Also looking forward to her victory speech as Obama did before the convention.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:33 PM

35. Just like Obama in 2008. With the same result.

Hillary in the first vote.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:17 PM

17. ...

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:18 PM

20. Yes, tomorrow Hillary will be officially the 2016 Democratic Oarty's presumptive nominee.

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:21 PM

23. Tick-tock! Not much time left!

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:23 PM

26. My primary is in June. I will have my vote.

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Response to SalviaBlue (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:30 PM

32. So is mine and

I will make it count.

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Response to SalviaBlue (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:27 PM

101. Mine, too

Isn't it awesome how some people think those of us who've not yet voted may as well not even bother?

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:28 PM

30. Yea I know...

I'm a little late donating this week.

Gonna get right on that in a few!

Thanks for reminding me. Wha a pal!

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:32 PM

34. Why donate to a candidate who has been eliminated?

 

Which he basically has, mathematically. Don't waste the money!

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Response to realmirage (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:37 PM

42. Bernie has NOT been eliminated

You should take a remedial math class.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:01 PM

74. Your concern...

is noted and appreciated as it deserves.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:35 PM

40. Me too! Thanks for kicking this. Chipping in another $27

 

Need him to stay in and get his message out.


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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:28 PM

31. UBS

UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.





Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.


by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

SNIP...

As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



About UBS Wealth Management

It's Buy Partisan

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought on former President Bill Clinton. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.



The fact the nation's "news media" isn't really following this story should also be of great concern -- for the 99-percent. The one-percent don't like people knowing stuff like this so they hire propaganda artists specializing in disinformation and misinformation.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:35 PM

39. Still fighting the primary war which is long over I see...

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:37 PM

44. Truth doesn't change.

Crooks are crooks.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:38 PM

46. So you've convinced yourself, anyway.

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 PM

71. No. I ask people to show where I'm wrong. Like with UBS or AIG or the S&Ls.

Money and power corrupt people. It's Buy Partisan.

This is from 2014:

Swiss-based international banking giant UBS welcomed deregulator extraordinaire Phil Gramm as Vice Chairman after his career in Washington. In other news that never seems to make it into Corporate McPravda, UBS was on the receiving end of $183 Billion in U.S. taxpayer bailout dollars. Small world.



UBS was one of eight large investment banks that benefited from the now-infamous backdoor bailout of AIG—resulting in government cash infusions totaling $182.5 billion—in the dark days of September 2008. At the hearing, the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, Neil Barofsky, revealed to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that UBS was the only bank willing to settle its soured credit default swaps (CDS) contracts for less than their face value. Why did UBS play ball when all the other banks didn't? As the Washington Independent reported, "Barofsky speculated that the firm probably simply recognized that the American taxpayers 'had taken the global economy on its back.'"

The financial crisis has proved time and again, big banks don't account for taxpayers—except when they need their help. And that's the more likely explanation for UBS' good behavior during the AIG rescue. Like the rest of the global financial industry, UBS was hurting from the subprime mortgage meltdown. (The bank's colossally bad bet on the US housing market—it had already written down $38 billion in bad loans as of April 2008—earned UBS the nickname Used to Be Smart.) But unlike its intransigent peers on Wall Street, the Swiss banking giant also faced the mounting threat of a US federal investigation. It was in no position to play hardball.

SOURCE:

http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/ubs-good-bank-aig-bailout



UBS made billions off the US taxpayer and paid millions to former Sen. Phil Gramm and former President Bill Clinton, the two people most responsible for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the New Deal regulations that had protected taxpayers from the Wall Street casino. Their actions led directly to the crash of 2008.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 PM

70. Unpleasant little person.

Off to ignore you go. So nice of you to show up to make DU suck harder than it already does lately.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:33 PM

36. I am absolutely delighted

 

by the attempt at creating a sense of urgency so that Hillary can stop having to be on the left and pivot rightward for the GE.

Keep trying, but this isn't over quite yet. She still has to talk out of the left side of her mouth for a couple of months.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:35 PM

38. Following the democratic party these days, she will go far rightward IMO. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:41 PM

54. Of course she will.

 

That's why Hillary supporters are squirming. They know the longer she has to compete with Bernie, the longer she has to keep up the facade of being anywhere near the left. It's really intriguing to watch the machinations going on.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:32 PM

104. Give her time. She's been

 

busy telling people that Trump is rich. Poor Hillary.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:33 PM

37. So sad about the democratic party of today! Unrecognizable! n/t

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:37 PM

43. The clock is ticking for Hillary to convince Bernie's base she is worthy of their support.

And it's not looking good.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:39 PM

49. Who are you kidding, the off-the-cliffers will never support her anyway.

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #49)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:45 PM

58. That's a pretty dismissive view of Bernie's supporters.

It's okay, though, it hasn't stopped us.

It's symptomatic of why we started, after all.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:39 PM

48. A vote for Bernie is a vote for his agenda.

It's pretty straightforward. Why would anyone "shift" if Hillary is already a given?

Every vote Bernie gets demonstrates the extent of the support for his agenda.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:40 PM

51. Hillary's climate change proposals are too little, too late

 

Her "incrementalism" and tepid proposals will doom the planet as surely as climate change deniers.

You'll own that.

Personally I have to live with myself so Bernie needs to stay in to the convention and keep getting the message out.

The planet is in its 11th hour.

Those who are clear thinking Democrats know the most important issue is climate change and will fight like hell to keep the only candidate out in the public eye, Bernie Sanders for as long as Bernie can go.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:41 PM

55. Now she's responsible for the end of the world

 


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Response to realmirage (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:46 PM

59. Ah, another low information Hillary supporter @ climate change

 

I'll stay classy and won't say I told you so.

But I'll be thinking it.

Go do some research. The increasingly severe weather and earth events are going to start snowballing within the next 5 years.

Madame President will go down as the worst president ever for her failure to take bold muscular climate change leadership immediately.

And you'll own that.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:44 PM

57. Don't cry to us when you elect trump. And yes I will be saddened if my

Fellows sell out future humanity because of greed and ignorance. 67% think she's a liar, Indies hate her and they number more than republicans or democrats. That coupled with all republicans coming out to vote against her, spells LOSER any way you spin it. Put it in 4th and drive the country off the cliff, don't cry about the results.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:47 PM

62. Defeatism isn't healthy

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #62)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:48 PM

63. Do you need cheese to go with your whine? Call someone who cares.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:46 PM

60. How can this be anything but a shit stirring exercise?

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:46 PM

61. Sorry, Hillary has already lost.

 

She failed to get enough delegates even with all of the corruption, bribes, and Machiavellian tactics. That is a bad sign for the GE that on of the poorest senators that is older, less overtly religious, and Jewish (I am listing those because polls show that she should have had an advantage on him since far more people will not vote for a Jewish or less religious person than a white woman). Come the convention if she is still running she may have enough left to bribe the remaining delegates over to her side like she did with the earlier super delegates and the "Hillary victory fund".

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Response to northernsouthern (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:48 PM

64. Calm down, you sound extremely stressed

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #64)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:54 PM

73. I am not.

 

I am just worried that the HRC crew will be to high up on the house of cards when it finally comes down. I am just looking at it from and Osha safety stand point.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:03 PM

76. Ask me again after the Convention.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:05 PM

77. Tomorrow?

Most of this site has been in meltdown mode for weeks. How could tomorrow be any worse?

Nonetheless, I am greatly looking forward to tomorrow, almost as much as Annie. And just think, it's only a day away.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:11 PM

79. What cliff? Bernie has always been a long shot. He's done an amazing job

of trying to save the country despite it being a rigged system.

So have his supporters. None of us are doing this for ourselves.

It is the children and their futures that you are ruining. I don't see that as something to celebrate.

But don't feel bad for us Bernie supporters, we will continue on without tears. We really didn't expect much out of you anyway.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:46 PM

116. and surely you thought all this back when Bernie was never heard of

 

Surely you weren't pulled in and convinced by his talking points and solidified those thoughts in anger when his loss became apparent

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Response to realmirage (Reply #116)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:39 AM

143. I have known of Bernie for a long time and was elated when he agreed to run.

I also know about Hillary which is why I could never support her.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:14 PM

80. times ticking on your temp job here too,brocktool.

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #80)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:33 PM

106. Whee! +10

 

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #80)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:50 PM

119. programming code

 

for those times when the math becomes overwhelming

If math becomes obstacle, then assume paid bot
If disagreeing fellow democrat confronts and is not brock-bot, then reiterate
and insist other poster definitely brock-bot. 1st line plus 2nd line = feel better

free of charge code. all legal, no medical license needed

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:14 PM

81. You are voting for a multimillionaire who loves wars

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #81)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:18 PM

82. They should be on the front line in the next foreign country she invades

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:20 PM

83. It's still early, but The republican nominee will do an excellent job of galvanizing

support on the left. Bernie will help Hillary, because he will be as outraged as anyone.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #83)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:26 PM

100. I agree

 

This won't be a problem in November

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:23 PM

84. I never thought he could win. But I am glad he has tried.

 

Nice to have someone who is not a warmonger in the race.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #84)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:27 PM

102. Lol talking points are tasty snacks

 

and nutritional!

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Response to realmirage (Reply #102)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:33 PM

105. Her horrible record on issues of military issues is not a talking point.

 

And it is not tasty. It kind of makes me want to vomit.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #105)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:36 PM

108. If you care about the truth as you insinuate that you do

 

Read this honestly. You know what I expect? I expect you'll misunderstand the whole thing and say it's proof that you were right all along. Let's see.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?_r=0

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:26 PM

86. I would say to fuck off, but don't want to break any rules.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:39 PM

87. Those who are Democrats say no.

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:03 PM

89. Thanks, n00b.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:03 PM

90. Over there in the land of Oz ...

They have other ways of measuring the immediacy of time ...

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:06 PM

91. Divisive arrogance.

 

It does no harm for Bernie to stay in the race 'through the end of the primaries.

Only the far right wing of this party would benefit from HRC being nominated by acclimation.

No one who wants a progressive future for this country would gain.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:37 PM

92. Precious. Just precious and "Bless your heart".

Keep on keeping on Hillary supporters. The end is going to be harsh.

For all of us.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Reply #92)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:09 PM

94. Have you

 

Outfitted your survival bunker with food enough for the next 80 years? Surely Armageddon will occur at her inauguration. You sound ready for that though

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Response to realmirage (Reply #94)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:15 PM

96. Rude. Nothing else to say. Just rude. nt

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:17 PM

97. I'm a Hillary supporter but this kind of thread achieves nothing (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #97)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:54 PM

122. Satisfaction.



On the bright side, it won't last nearly as long as what Hillary supporters have had to put up with.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:21 PM

98. He's been done for a while now. Like Rubio who was going to drive around America in his pickup truck

Remember that? Perhaps they can carpool.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #98)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:23 PM

99. sounds like a winning ticket

 

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:36 PM

107. Drop out Bernie!

So Joe Biden or John Kerry can be thr DNC choice at the convention when Hillary is indicted.

I guess I should add (snark).

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Response to Meteor Man (Reply #107)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:39 PM

111. Don't worry, when she clinches, it will trigger the four horsemen

 

but the Bernie or busters here are fully ready

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:38 PM

109. Forget it.

It's not over until we have an unindictable nominee.

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Response to k8conant (Reply #109)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:41 PM

112. When you put your dollar under the pillow for the indictment fairy,

 

be sure to also ask her to make the superdelegates overturn the will of the people. Then the revolution will be complete.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #112)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:44 PM

114. You'd better be hoping for that indictment-erasing fairy if you think that.

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Response to k8conant (Reply #114)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:06 AM

128. the credible experts have all explained that there's no case against her

 

but that doesn't help bernie win does it?

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Response to realmirage (Reply #128)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:07 AM

129. So the FBI isn't credible?

Ha ha ha

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:39 PM

110. It's Hillary supporters going off the cliff with someone under FBI investigation

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Response to jfern (Reply #110)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:44 PM

113. Indictment fairy, surely you can make my guy win

 

and send someone to jail who all credible experts say has done nothing worth being prosecuted over, including Bernie Sanders, who doesn't care about the "damn emails."

Make it happen fairy

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Response to realmirage (Reply #113)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:45 PM

115. So the FBI isn't credible?

Hmmpf. Collect your money.

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Response to k8conant (Reply #115)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:08 AM

130. See the dictionary for the difference in the following terms - investigation, and indictment

 

and please, for pete's sake start reading credible sources on this topic. The credible experts on this have all explained that there's no case. Go research it if you actually do care about the truth. But i already know, you won't spend a second researching it. Cause that doesn't help bernie win.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #130)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:16 AM

137. Credible = believable

Apparently the only "experts" you believe are the ones who say what you want them to.

I've already researched it. How many of the emails have you read? How do you reconcile her actions with the agreement she signed?
She was SOS and knew what was classified. She's a lawyer, for chrissake, and knew better but thought her "fame" would save her. It may, of course, but not because she's innocent.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #113)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:48 PM

117. She wouldn't be under investigation if it was nothing worth prosecuting

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:49 PM

118. The Bernie supporters have to decide if they want to quit the Dem Party or whatever. You can't

force them to do so. If you want to get them to decide to support Hillary you need to come up with a more persuasive argument.

I would like to say:
"Dear Sanders supporters, we have the utmost respect for you and your candidate. We would love for you to support Hillary Clinton when you are ready, if Bernie does not become the Dem candidate. We will most certainly support Bernie if he does become the nominee."

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Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #118)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:01 AM

124. I dare you to go to GDP right now and post that

 

See how quickly your ass catches fire

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:52 PM

121. F




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Says hi Hillary!

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #121)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:03 AM

126. Please indictment fairy, overturn the will of the people

 

oh please, I just gotta have my candidate win. At any cost.

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Response to realmirage (Reply #126)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:22 AM

138. The will of the people

Have been overturned every step of this election so far, one more might balance the scales.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:02 AM

125. I think you missed the memo. Many are shifting their support right out of the Dem party.

 

I bet there ends up being a new progressive liberal party out of this.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #125)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:04 AM

127. Sounds like it could be a viable party

 

in about 400 years. Good plan

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Response to realmirage (Reply #127)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:08 AM

131. You really missed the memo. And it's people like you that are fracturing the

 

dem party. Going for corruption is what's killing it.

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #125)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM

135. Yep, not taking my ball and going home, taking it on the road for Bernie and beyond

 

The OP is a typical low information Hillary voter on climate change (amongst other things. ....)

They think we actually have time....



I won't say I told you so to Hillary supporters.

But I'll be thinking it.

And cursing them as more and more extreme weather and environmental events snowball.


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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #135)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:13 AM

136. +1

 

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Response to Unicorn (Reply #125)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:34 AM

140. For less than one-100th of the effort needed to create a viable "new" national party ...

... maybe you guys could try a bottom-up "revolution" instead. First step: actually register as Democrats and participate.

Otherwise you're just wasting your time, and it looks like whining and sour-grapes.

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM

133. I do hope you get paid well

 

now name ONE issue you like Hillary on, IN full detail. Go on.

I mean that. I will be easy on you. What is her sand on the minimum wage?

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM

134. Newbie sock puppet.

 

Eom

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Response to realmirage (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:54 AM

141. haha internet guy lays down "the law"

Tick tock, Hilbot.

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