2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFULL AUTOPSY statement on Bernie Data Breach
Didnt he only fire 1 out of 4 staffers? And...
Can. You. Imagine. The. Freakout. If. This. Were. Hillary?
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)End of story.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)bad, bad, bad mistake. End of story.
stopbush
(24,397 posts)that spending $ on lawyers would cut into their own compensation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I've not seen any news on it, of course.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It has determined there was information exported. For the Sanders team to withdraw their law suit is a good move on the Sanders team since it would have released more information about the breach and would not result in a decision in favor of Sanders team. Guess who did not file a suit, the two who had their information breached.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and Sanders, instead of apologizing honestly, files suit against the DNC. From The Donald we would expect that.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:15 PM - Edit history (1)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Totally fucking amazing, right? Not like all of us didn't know the truth of it. As they tell us we need to feel shame for voting for our Democratic candidate that has spent a lifetime doing the best she can, for others.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)But then again, I've done my homework.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And one person got fired. It's was coordinated.
Clinton and O'Malley clean.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't recommend it but I believe they do against the Sanders campaign and the tech company. I think the DNC would be difficult because it looks like they at least acted quickly and appropriately.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Well, I hope you find it someday. It seems real important to you. BTW, any proof that it has been used by anybody or that it was important to anybody or that it changed the future of the nation?
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)BTW, Clinton couldn't sue. It would have to be the DNC . . . why don't you know these things? If you're going to give advice, at least make it somewhat correct.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Glad to hear the got rid of all for of the users. My apologies for improperly stating the numbers.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)There was talk of suspensions, but they needed Nikseresht to run the NGP-VAN software process since he was intimately familiar with the software and is considered one of its architects. Drapkin was the lead coordinator, so he wasn't fired either. Brett is the only name that could fall under the suspension they talked about. No names were mentioned under the "suspension" language.
But certainly they picked Josh Uretsky as the fall guy.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)It's a good thing NGP-VAN stopped their illicit searches and locked them out, this could've been way bigger than it was.
leftinportland
(247 posts)Saved within the VotBuilder system...big difference
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Igel
(35,374 posts)"Eleven states," but one computer system and one interface. I can imagine the following.
One worker--let's call the worker Taylor--tries something and finds that it's possible to access proprietary information. Wrong, but in the spirit of "my privacy is sacred, you don't get privacy" thinking that many seem to like, Taylor decided to run some searches. The thrill of forbidden fruit. Or perhaps it was personal, and he liked putting one over on the enemy. That's always righteous.
Then Taylor can't help pointing out the new-found information to three colleagues--perhaps in the same room, perhaps a text. "Hey, guys, look what I did!" The thrill of narcissism. So then four Bernisians were running the searches.
At some point somebody said, "Hey, what if we're caught?" Or perhaps they had some task to finish and realized lunch was over. Or perhaps their supervisor came in the room and said, "Aren't you supposed to be doing ________?" The fear of getting in trouble.
Suddenly one person gets fired--our "Taylor"--and you get precisely the data on which many base the claim of coordinated and intentional action by the campaign, but without the coordination and intent.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)beastie boy
(9,505 posts)Wouldn't be surprised if the number is e-fucking-leven.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)that happened and he then played victim
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)has happened.
sheshe2
(83,953 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)They bused in boat loads of people to different states, had " how to commit voter fraud" presentations at Caucasus and then CRY unfair closed primaries... He simply loses closed primaries because he does not appeal to DEMOCRATS.. thats it. Nothing unfair
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)just like yours. How many of those do you see on the Bernie side? Ours our uplifting and supportive of Bernie. Yours constitute an in-your-face mockery of Bernie. Several of you do it. When you can show me a similar device against Hillary on this blog, I might finally believe that we are as mean spirited as you.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I think calling Hillary a corrupt liar and thief without evidence thread after thread is way more offensive than this cartoon. Y'all are too sensitive.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)reputation for being a truth teller.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)My ass.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)a etc. And you are enraged about an old socialist guy? talk about having your priorities mixed up.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)that first. Its written by the same DNC that is holding their finger on the scale for HRC, the same DNC that is run by DWS who is holding her finger on the scale for HRC. Very objective now isn't it?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)of "senior" people here that you can borrow a tinfoil hat from, in case you didn't have one. Just believe the DNC since they have had such a stellar reputation when it comes to fairness..especially with DWS heading it. Whatever you need to tell yourself to make you go to bed. Sleep tight!!!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)stealing.
insta8er
(960 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Response to seabeyond (Reply #81)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)i n o f i n t e g r e t y o n v i d e o. F u n n y h o w t h a t w o r k s r i g h t?
insta8er
(960 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)d it.
insta8er
(960 posts)obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)Sea is right.
insta8er
(960 posts)that are raised by looking at the level of knowledge about the subject matter on the side of the Hillary cheersquad.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)You are right, Sea.
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)in the DNC's statement.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)the findings 24/7 as they have the unsubstantiated and mostly disproved charges of voter fraud everywhere Hillary won? Don't hold you breath!
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)sheshe2
(83,953 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)I know the Bernie haters are loving this but the suit stopped all the public squabbling, they agreed on a way to deal with it, and its over for the most part.
yardwork
(61,715 posts)Sanders ran on "integrity and honesty" and he and his campaign routinely point at Hillary as being dishonest and corrupt. There are posts from right-wing sources deflecting in this very thread.
It's disingenuous to pretend that this is nothing.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)
And bad behavior of people you like always seems less bad than bad behavior of people you don't like.
I don't think this is nothing, but I don't hear the HRC campaign and DNC trying to make it any bigger than as reported. I can live with that.
yardwork
(61,715 posts)This issue has been laid to rest, I think.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)joshcryer
(62,277 posts)...prevented a much bigger scandal from occurring.
This is a detailed overview of what they did: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251927056#post19
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)And, of course, we know opinion trumps fact every time!
Won't mean a damn thing to them there...
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I'm sure there are facts in the spin. Too bad you won't know which is what.
beastie boy
(9,505 posts)Integrity my ass.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)with Hillary staff accessing Obama data. But in that case, there was no sanction taken against Hillary's campaign, whereas in this instance, they immediately cut off their access to the database, which was in violation of their contract This was one of the reasons the campaign was complaining about unfair treatment -- that and the fact that it was the DNC's contractural reponsibility to keep the data secure, and the there had been warnings from IT professionals in the past about relying exclusively on one company.
According NP VAN, the searches were not--and could not have been--saved in such a way that allowed the campaign to access the searches once the breach was fixed. The only thing that was capable of being exported for future use was the statistical summary mentioned above. This does lend some credence to the fired staff persons statement that he was doing search to document the extent of the breach rather than to use it for the advantage of the campaign.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)He stated unintentional unlike his outright theft. Snopes said they have no verification that happened with Clinton. SO, like you say four staffers where fired, and Clinton staff stole in 2008, link it.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)So I think it is dubious. I wouldn't spread it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Snopes said it is unverified. No proof.
I googled different ways and found NOTHING, but Sanders accusing Clinton of it in 2008. Where is the information?
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I did read that she'd done the same to Obama and DNC ignored it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DNC money and paint them as evil because he was caught stealing. There is no verification, but Sanders, that Clinton did the same in 2008.
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the export from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.
Second, there has been independent confirmation that NGP VAN has not received previous notice of a data breach regarding NGP VAN. Josh Uretsky, the former National Data Director for the Sanders campaign confirmed on MSNBC (at 5:47), and also on CNN, regarding the previous incident: it wasnt actually within the VAN VoteBuilder system, it was another system.
https://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)DNC was the defendant. They are not neutral observers. But I can accept their view. But your comment is a lie.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I don't want people not culpable to be penalized.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I saw no article with google that all four were fired.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-04292016-bernie-sanders-drops-lawsuit-against-dnc-1461967648-htmlstory.html
BTW, I didn't say they were exonerated. I said they were fired. I don't know beyond that.
pnwmom
(109,006 posts)for example, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511866782
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)What is wrong with you people?
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I don't think you do since they are irrelevant to my post. You told me that I was going to steal from you. "Sanders people steal." Didn't you?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Campaign of integrity never ends.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Fla Dem
(23,785 posts)Reading comprehension is fundamental.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Amnesty isn't forever.
Sheesh.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Squinch
(51,042 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Squinch
(51,042 posts)That's not a smear. That's a fact.
The guy is a thief, and nothing like the pure grandpa his followers want him to be.
brer cat
(24,625 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I could smell the flop sweat coming out of GDP even before fully typing "democraticunderground" in my browser bar.
The screams that Bernie's campaign didn't really, REALLY spend more money than Hillary's when every bit of evidence says he did and the folks still K&R'ing the "bbbut she's a CORPORATIST111!!" posts as if by doing so, it will overturn the fact that she is whipping Sanders' butt up and down the electorate are filling this forum and are even more laughably stupid than usual.
This OP may help explain some of that. Though it's clear that some folks are still seriously grappling with their grief too. Glad that Sanders finally dropped his absurd lawsuit against the DNC but the damage to his campaign has already been done.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)No link. The usual garbage from the usual suspects.
Renew Deal
(81,882 posts)Renew Deal
(81,882 posts)But there was never really any doubt what happened. Glad it's finally proven.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The OP is crap
SunSeeker
(51,745 posts)In other words, Sanders STOLE Hillary data.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Because suppressing them in exchange for dropping a useless lawsuit is better for unity than releasing the details, the actual investigation, and demanding Weaver show his hand, which is an 2/7 off suit.
jfern
(5,204 posts)And he was recommended by the DNC to be hired.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)I find that utterly hard to believe. Particularly the details that Nikseresht needed to do the privilege escalation that he did before the NGP-VAN system noticed and locked them out.
jfern
(5,204 posts)joshcryer
(62,277 posts)And I searched for it and it's hard to believe, given that that would mean he committed a cyber crime and he's not in jail.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Cha
(297,799 posts)http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/bernie-sanders-suspends-two-staffers-217007
Mahalo, Janey~
Hekate
(90,865 posts)Kick-ass report. --->.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And it's a statement from the DNC, the head of which started the smearing of Sanders over this by unprofessionally going to the press rather than take the appropriate steps, and who also doled out unusually harsh and probably illegal denial of access to his own voter database. The same DNC who tried to limit debates because their/her favorite candidate didn't want them. Oh sure... anything coming out from them is a "full autopsy" and not at all biased.
In fact, we don't even know if that's actually from the DNC since you didn't bother to provide a citation/link.
What a joke.
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pnwmom
(109,006 posts)Squinch
(51,042 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Isn't it ironic ?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They're also like: "Not including the people who had access, NOBODY HAD ACCESS!"
oasis
(49,428 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)But remember. Josh Uretsky was a Clinton campaign / DNC / Illuminati agent, planted into the Sanders campaign to discredit them.
Sid
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)when it was reported that the Sanders campaign was suing the DNC after their own data breech, what the fuck? Read it again: the Sanders campaign was suing the DNC after their own data breech
UFB! First, let's call it by its right name: theft. They stole data from the Clinton database. Then they sue the DNC because poor, poor them...they got temporarily cut out of the system. Four users, 25 searches, 11 states, all within an hour. There is no way to sanitize that, yet the Sanders campaign sued.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cheating. Plain and simple.
Hekate
(90,865 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)TheRickles
(2,091 posts)This statement represents the DNC's official interpretation of the independent investigation done by CrowdStrike. Not surprisingly, their interpretation differs by 180 degrees from the Sanders' team's conclusion that the report vindicates Sanders (see an earlier DU post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511866782)
Can anyone provide a link to the actual CrowdStrike report, so we can decide for ourselves?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(145,666 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)the HRC campaign. (I said DLC because Debbie-gate pulled the mask off, and showed we don't currently have a functioning DNC).