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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:59 PM

Most Hillary voters back her as a vote against the alternative rather than as a vote for her

NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey April 10-14

(Prior question: "Thinking again about the 2016 presidential election... if the election for president were held today, and Donald Trump were the Republican candidate and Hillary Clinton were the Democratic candidate, for whom would you vote?"

Next question: "Are you voting for that person more because you want that person to be president...or...more because you do NOT want the other person to be president?"

50% of registered voters who back Hillary say it's more because they don't want Trump
33% of registered voters who back Hillary say it's more because they want Hillary


Asked earlier in the same survey--

Among registered voters overall
58% could NOT see themselves supporting Hillary Clinton
48% could NOT see themselves supporting Bernie Sanders

41% could see themselves supporting Hillary Clinton
49% could see themselves supporting Bernie Sanders


31% could see themselves supporting Donald Trump
68% could NOT see themselves supporting Donald Trump



Among registered voters who had or were planning to vote in the Dem primary:
78% could see themselves supporting Hillary (21% could not)
78% could see themselves supporting Bernie (21% could not)

http://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/16229NBCWSJApril2016Poll.pdf


Take Home Message:
Bernie is the more electable candidate among registered voters of all political persuasians.


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Reply Most Hillary voters back her as a vote against the alternative rather than as a vote for her (Original post)
TheDormouse Apr 2016 OP
runaway hero Apr 2016 #1
ViseGrip Apr 2016 #8
runaway hero Apr 2016 #10
reformist2 May 2016 #18
runaway hero May 2016 #22
Baobab May 2016 #36
Logical Apr 2016 #2
riversedge Apr 2016 #4
PyaarRevolution May 2016 #20
Baobab May 2016 #37
hfojvt Apr 2016 #3
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #5
hfojvt Apr 2016 #6
ViseGrip Apr 2016 #9
PyaarRevolution May 2016 #21
Baobab May 2016 #38
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #7
pat_k Apr 2016 #11
loyalsister May 2016 #19
silvershadow Apr 2016 #12
TheDormouse May 2016 #13
Yurovsky May 2016 #16
reformist2 May 2016 #23
runaway hero May 2016 #24
Lil Missy May 2016 #14
TheDormouse May 2016 #15
reformist2 May 2016 #17
TheDormouse May 2016 #25
Gomez163 May 2016 #26
TheDormouse May 2016 #27
Gomez163 May 2016 #29
PyaarRevolution May 2016 #40
northernsouthern May 2016 #30
Gomez163 May 2016 #32
northernsouthern May 2016 #34
rjsquirrel May 2016 #28
pnwmom May 2016 #31
northernsouthern May 2016 #33
Dem2 May 2016 #35
AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #39

Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:02 PM

1. shaping up to be the worst election

ever...

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:22 PM

8. Early on people were polled and 73% did not want a Bush or a Clinton.

 

They refused to listen.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:29 PM

10. It is really sad

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

320 million people and this is all we can do. Where are the leaders of tomorrow? What happened to the promise for the new millennium?

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:04 PM

18. It's party politics that's killing voter interest. We don't pick people that appeal to the majority.


We selfishly vote in who we want (it's our party, dammit!), with no mind to what the average voter thinks of that candidate. But no matter. We'll just make them vote for our candidate in the general by demonizing the opponent.

Is this any way to elect our leaders?

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 05:57 PM

22. absolutely

What a joke. I'll will not be surprised if people stay home. Clinton will most likely win but both her and Trump will get less votes then Romney and Obama did.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #18)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:27 PM

36. This is what you do when you're on top and dont want any new competition.

The whole idea is killing hope, killing voter interest. Tiring everybody out, Without being too obvious about it.

>It's party politics that's killing voter interest. We don't pick people that appeal to the majority.

Reducing expectations to zero. Keeping energetic people who want any real change out.

I'm sure both parties are doing this.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:05 PM

2. That is the only fucking to vote for her, to stop any GOP idiot. Nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:07 PM

4. If that is your only reason it is good enough.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:05 PM

20. It's an embarrassment.

If we want people to vote in HUGE numbers, they should want to vote FOR something rather than against.

Add to the fact that it will give HUGE coat-tail's towards getting a Democratic Senate and House.

Seriously isn't "good enough" the HRC Campaign slogan for godsake?!

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Response to PyaarRevolution (Reply #20)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:34 PM

37. With the FTAs needing to get passed, democracy is too risky

It might lead to them failing, and then Presidents in the future could just dump these policies that are the corporations want. The 3FTAs are a global takeover scheme, for the 1% so they have to pass.

Once they do nothing Presidents or congress do will be able to change the policies they will be carved in stone, forever.

CAFTA was passed during the lame duck at something like 2 am by one vote. That's the plan with TPP too. The illusion of incompetence is what they want. Plausible deniability.

Read up on the "Reading rooms" they have.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:06 PM

3. I still do not believe that

He wasn't even more electable than Clinton (he seems to have lost the primary, and he would have lost much bigger if not for caucuses)

Whatever polls are showing, at this point the RWNM has not thrown all that much at him. They are busy trying to derail Hillary.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:09 PM

5. Read the poll report--His message took a while to catch on

He has continually picked up support while Hillary has lost it.
If some of those primaries he lost were held today, he would have done much better than he did.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:15 PM

6. and that would be the excuse in November

"He was swift-boated" "His message took a while to catch on".

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:23 PM

9. Eactly! Swiftboated from a media blackout to "when is he getting out of the race" every time he won!

 

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:14 PM

21. Bernie would destroy Trump, Cruz or Kasich in the GE.

With Kasich he would bash him over the head on "Women's Rights" and "Labor" so continually Kasich wouldn't have a chance to get up. Sanders can bomb the airwaves with how Kasich is a giant fraud, just laying out the record. You know what they say about the spotlight when it comes on? The cockroaches scatter and sunlight is the most powerful disinfectant.

Cruz is a trainwreck in so many things...vehemently Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice, Anti-anyone who's not Christian(probably like 99% of the Muslim community would go for Sanders as well as the Sikh's since Ted is so stupid he would probably call them Muslims too), Pro-War(he advocated cluster-bombing ffs), likely Pro-Israel since he's a right-wing Evangelical.

With Trump it's not difficult, he just asserts the positions Trumps already has with a STRONG message of inclusion rather than exclusion. I think his ardent opposition to TPP, NAFTA and the TTIP will endear him to some of those Blue Collars who thought they would be on board with Trump. Legalizing Pot and pushing hard on Green Jobs as an investment in mucho infrastructure talking about well-paying jobs will help again.

I forgot to add there is no way they can really get him over gun rights either when you look at his record. This will help him tremendously among pro-gun rights people across the spectrum, Republican and Democrat. I mean we've been waiting for someone who can GET real gun control done and come across as sensible to the Pro-Gun people.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:44 PM

38. Nope, Hillary is the one with the problem in the GE.

Sanders' will win by a wide margin against Trump.

Many people who are voting for Trump say its just to stop Hillary.

Her negatives are very high. Allegedly the superdelegate system - we have a system in place that is supposed to be a reality check against crooks who somehow get a lot of votes, lets use it to elect Bernie instead of "Miss Leading" so we can prevent what will likely be a major disaster..

Nobody believes a word she says any more.

Once somebody is dislikes this much they are unlikely to make a comeback. making promises everybody knows are BS just makes it worse, People aren't that stupid.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:18 PM

7. This is EXCELLENT news for Wall Street and Big Business.

Very few people in this country will expect for anything good to happen over the next decade.

Demoralized, dejected, and feeling like those in power do not represent them. Exactly as TPTB want it. They are going to FEAST on us. If we let them.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:42 PM

11. "If we let them"

With or without Bernie, it's up to us to stop the downhill drop and lobby to implement the New, New Deal this country so desperately needs.

Post that contains thoughs on approach to effecting change:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=188164

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Response to pat_k (Reply #11)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:04 PM

19. I hear a lot about how Clinton's plan to reign in wall st. is good

But it's not enough! Not even close. My city has 4% unemployment and 24% poverty. A new president needs to restore the safety net formerly known as welfare and make massive investments in the regions that have been most affested by mass incarceration especially.
Bring those things part of the platform and I might gain some respect. Until then she is simply the callous woman who pointed to a need to "bring them to heel" and used the "we came, we saw, he died" victory cry.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:55 PM

12. So triangulation wins? As I've said all along, this was the plan all along. You post

 

is evidence to my mind of their thinking. I will vote for her if she is the primary winner, but it will be under duress

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:42 PM

13. If Hillary were to win, would any Dem oppose her in 2020?

The fact that no serious opponent from within the party even bothered to put their hat into the ring this time around, when it was the first time in 8 years for a chance at the office to open up, was astonishing.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:56 PM

16. She'll unleash the entire party machine on anyone who dare oppose her...

She and her corporate ownership team are not going to let some upstart progressive derail their process of sucking every last nickel out of the 99% and delivering it to the 1%.

In the meantime, her unpopularity will cause MASSIVE midterm losses, and even more gridlock, but she doesn't care - the status quo plutocracy will continue unabated, which is all they REALLY care about.

How many millions will be enough for HRC, Bill, & lil' Chelsea? The world may never know. One thing for sure, they will be even richer in 8 years than they are now (which is filthy rich, "earned" thru political extortion). Sure, we may get some small victories on social issues, but economically we are going to get fucked over as bad or worse than any time since Carter.

I'm sure the corporate wing of the Democratic party is very excited...

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #16)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:08 PM

23. If Hillary wins, the Clintons will become the first presidents to become billionaires.

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #16)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:24 PM

24. very true

the money will be huge.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:46 PM

14. Too late. Bernie is toast.

Hillary will win easily over Trump.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:55 PM

15. Marist poll finds similar: 53% say support for Hillary is mainly out of fear of Trump

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:00 PM

17. So we're getting two candidates who the vast majority do NOT want. Our political system is broken.

Just remember this. So if and when your candidate wins on election night, while you're cheering and all excited, the vast majority of the American people will be turning off their TVs (or computers, or phones) in complete and utter disgust.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #17)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:08 PM

25. but it doesn't have to be that way

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:09 PM

26. I back her because she is THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #26)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:11 PM

27. Bernie is no less qualified

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #27)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:12 PM

29. Bernie is not qualified. He is actually very shallow.

 

I don't think he fully understands policy as Hillary does.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #29)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:51 PM

40. You mean policy like...?

Regime change(Syria, Libya, Honduras)?! Oh yes, give me more of that! I can't WAIT to go to war with Iran and see god knows how many of our sons and daughters die.
These policies are idiotic and don't WORK, they didn't work when we tried to help throw out Mossadegh, Allende, Chavez, etc. Instead we made things worse, especially in the Middle East. Could you imagine what a DEMOCRATIC Iran could've done to help stabilize the area and we could've cut our ties to the MESS that is Saudia Arabia.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #26)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:14 PM

30. Lol, good one!

 

I thought you were serious for a second. I doubt there is anyone that actually believes that line.

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Response to northernsouthern (Reply #30)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:15 PM

32. The only ones who don't are people who are not Democrats.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #32)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:18 PM

34. Lol, you are too funny.

 

That is even a better one, I forgot people were using that lie a while back, too bad we all know about the third way and her long list of Republican supporters endorsing her from Huckabee, the Koch brothers, and several lobbyists. It was funny as hell when they tired that line out, thanks for reminding me.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:14 PM

31. That's a twisted way to view that. I strongly support Hillary but am TERRIFIED of

Trump or Cruz being President, and I wouldn't mind Bernie as President -- so then I would be counted as someone who just doesn't want Trump. Makes no sense.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:15 PM

33. That is why there is this WhiteHouse petition

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:21 PM

35. OK

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:44 PM

39. a well-defined candidate

 

100% name recognition

Well-known candidate in the public eye for 25 years


"58% could NOT see themselves supporting Hillary Clinton
41% could see themselves supporting Hillary Clinton"

How do you move those numbers? This candidate has a ceiling of 42%.

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