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Mon May 2, 2016, 11:42 AM

 

I smell a major conspiracy....



There's no doubt that Bernie probably smelled one a long time ago...

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Reply I smell a major conspiracy.... (Original post)
Playinghardball May 2016 OP
CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #1
VulgarPoet May 2016 #118
tonyt53 May 2016 #2
Ed Suspicious May 2016 #14
J_J_ May 2016 #19
brush May 2016 #38
floppyboo May 2016 #105
Atman May 2016 #103
brush May 2016 #109
onehandle May 2016 #3
tonyt53 May 2016 #4
NurseJackie May 2016 #15
Sheepshank May 2016 #32
AgingAmerican May 2016 #94
firebrand80 May 2016 #5
beachbumbob May 2016 #6
Baobab May 2016 #39
Trajan May 2016 #57
dana_b May 2016 #99
GreatGazoo May 2016 #110
NCTraveler May 2016 #7
RandySF May 2016 #8
scscholar May 2016 #77
RandySF May 2016 #84
KansDem May 2016 #107
NuclearDem May 2016 #9
BootinUp May 2016 #10
Punkingal May 2016 #24
fun n serious May 2016 #30
onenote May 2016 #46
Punkingal May 2016 #66
onenote May 2016 #68
Punkingal May 2016 #72
onenote May 2016 #73
Baobab May 2016 #29
BootinUp May 2016 #36
Baobab May 2016 #37
brooklynite May 2016 #11
Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #23
LiberalFighter May 2016 #25
Squinch May 2016 #80
rock May 2016 #12
NCTraveler May 2016 #13
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #54
Beacool May 2016 #58
NCTraveler May 2016 #60
Beacool May 2016 #61
NCTraveler May 2016 #64
Beacool May 2016 #70
StevieM May 2016 #100
Beacool May 2016 #117
uponit7771 May 2016 #92
oasis May 2016 #16
hrmjustin May 2016 #17
leftynyc May 2016 #18
NurseJackie May 2016 #20
NurseJackie May 2016 #21
littlebit May 2016 #22
lunamagica May 2016 #45
littlebit May 2016 #97
lunamagica May 2016 #98
Beacool May 2016 #59
Jitter65 May 2016 #115
littlebit May 2016 #116
fun n serious May 2016 #26
The Second Stone May 2016 #27
J_J_ May 2016 #28
mooseprime May 2016 #34
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #31
LiberalFighter May 2016 #33
mooseprime May 2016 #35
Tarc May 2016 #40
lunamagica May 2016 #41
JoePhilly May 2016 #42
alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #43
Godhumor May 2016 #44
Yurovsky May 2016 #47
qdouble May 2016 #53
Yurovsky May 2016 #93
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DrDan May 2016 #63
Yurovsky May 2016 #88
workinclasszero May 2016 #48
apnu May 2016 #49
ContinentalOp May 2016 #50
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KansDem May 2016 #52
MFM008 May 2016 #55
Beacool May 2016 #56
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Beacool May 2016 #69
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uponit7771 May 2016 #90
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Andy823 May 2016 #96
brooklynite May 2016 #101
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #104
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:44 AM

1. I hate it when....

 

...an entire post is a photo...

...and I cannot see the photo on this computer.

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Response to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #1)

Tue May 3, 2016, 02:37 PM

118. 12 photos of ridiculously large rallies, and "How are we not winning by literal landslides".

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:46 AM

2. There is a medical condition that affect smell

 

You and Bernie should be tested for it. Bernie is behind by about 3 million votes. You just can't accept that.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:54 AM

14. You have a good count on caucus goers?

How about that.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:59 AM

19. everyone can smell just fine- and this 'election' smells fishy

 

n/t

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Response to J_J_ (Reply #19)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:23 PM

38. If all those people at those rallies had just voted . . .

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Response to brush (Reply #38)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:57 PM

105. yes indeed!

But they didn't because it is the Democratic Party Primary, and many are independents, and looky--loos. But with those #'s and the # of individual campaign contributions, I think you have to admit, that is a better representation of where America as a whole stands. All the match-up polls support this claim as well.

How this will play out in a general election when all independents will have a say in November is certainly a nail biter!

While there are some RW independents out there, there are also a bunch that want a small d democrat, and Hillary ain't it.
But I repeat what has been said over and over. I'm not giving up though!

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Response to J_J_ (Reply #19)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:55 PM

103. It was always going to be Hillary. It's her turn.

It's sad, but true. Presidential elections are a sham..."they" will install the person they want to install. We get the bread and circuses to keep us amused. The powers that be will no let an ass-clown like Trump get his hands on the red button. But Hillary is perfectly acceptable. She's one of them, and she'll keep the controversy going for their "news" teams to report on, while America wages for-profit wars around the globe.

It's what we do.

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Response to Atman (Reply #103)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:04 PM

109. For profit wars you are correct

What do you think of this: IMO Obama tried to keep us out of more wars. He resisted going into Libya and Syria for the most part so far.

The MIC is very powerful though, let's see if he can resist a full-on Syria involvement in his time left in office.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:46 AM

3. If big crowds represented a win, than Nader would have won in 2000. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:46 AM

4. yup

 

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:55 AM

15. Remember President McGovern? (Me neither.)

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:12 PM

32. Same with Howard Dean

 

It's a curious thing.

Seems like these rally are more like concerts and pull in people who lack the motivation to actually do anything. The privileged and entitled are used to having everything done for them. They lack the will and desire to actually do anything other than look like a participant in an event. Too many keyboard warriors in this world and way too many non voters.

PS...I guess Hillary's listening tour doesn't seem so stupid to the BS crowd after all?

PPS...is there any chance that some walked away from the rally and decided not to vote simply because of the messaging? Wouldn't that be a kick in the shorts. Maybe we should just go with the unmotivated voter angle.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #3)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:16 PM

94. Nader didn't attract massive crowds

 

Ever

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:46 AM

5. Not sure if this is disingenuous

Or incredibly stupid

Either way, I'm hanging out here for my afternoon lolz

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:47 AM

6. Most adults over 45 don't buy sanders bs....and we vote and understand

 

The rules....

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #6)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:24 PM

39. Seems like Sanders was never given a chance from Day One

You Hillarians have all the angles figured out, don't you?

Are you proud of yourselves?

Still waging a global war on public education, too, I see.

It started way back in 1995

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #6)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:26 PM

57. That's a bunch of fucking baloney

 

The rallies are PACKED with citizens of every age group ...

I'm nearly sixty, and what I can say definitively - you are full of shit ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #57)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:44 PM

99. +51 (my age)

and 60(x2), 61 (x2) , 67, 90, 91, 58 (x2), 55, 62 and 68

Those are all the ages of people very close to me that are voting for Bernie. Anecdotal but it's much more widespread than the poster would like to admit. It's difficult to win when you're fighting the entire establishment of a party and the very hackable voting machines.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #6)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:09 PM

110. So you think you speak for all people over 45?

how convenient

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:47 AM

8. A roomful of people

Does not make up 100% of the electorate.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #8)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:44 PM

77. But when their opponent...

 

can't fill a room, it certainly looks suspicious.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #77)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:24 PM

84. She never tried

She spent her money on voter contact, which doesn't attract media attention.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #84)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:59 PM

107. Beg to differ...

This organization compared internet searches with media reports. Bernie had thrice the internet searches than Hillary, yet she scored almost three times the media reports.



Clinton: Internet searches, 9,235,231 Media reports, 87,737
Sanders: Internet searches, 21,536,032 Media reports, 29,525

Our analysis shows Bernie Sanders is being ignored by the mainstream media to a shocking degree. If covered at the average rate wed have seen about 61,500 more stories including Sanders in the last 6 months: 91,094 mentions instead of 29,525.

Clinton receives a high amount of coverage, despite no dramatic changes in polls and lower search interest.

Candidates like Rand Paul also appear to be locked out of the mainstream press. Paul isnt the most popular candidate, but if the average held hed have been in twice as many stories. Rubio, despite being 36% more popular than Paul was 403% more likely to be covered by the news


http://decisiondata.org/news/political-media-blackouts-president-2016/

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:49 AM

9. It's a conspiracy, there's no possible other explanation!

 

It's twuuuuuuu

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:49 AM

10. You have put your finger on the main reason Bernie needs to concede

The only real path to increasing the power of Bernie's supporters and others who are in similar circumstances is to build a stronger coalition, ultimately enhancing the Democratic Party. By letting this turn this into a second rate conspiracy yarn, he will be making that much less likely to materialize.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #10)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:04 PM

24. Uh huh...

We are supposed to believe huge crowds, and huge donations by millions of people, don't translate into voters. They did for Obama, they do for Trump, bur somehow they don't for Bernie. That idea is bullshit and people are blind.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #24)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:09 PM

30. Obama and Hillary ran a very close race

 

This is NOT. Clinton has a large amount of support in 2008 as she does now.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #24)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:59 PM

46. Sanders has not received "huge" donations from millions of people

He has received mostly smaller donations, from 2.4 million people. He has received almost 9 million votes.

And Trump has only received around $12 million in contributions from a relatively small number of individuals. (Compared to over $200 million that Clinton and Sanders have each raised)

You shouldn't call bullshit when your own claims are based on bullshit.

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Response to onenote (Reply #46)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:00 PM

66. I meant a huge NUMBER of donations.

And you probably knew I meant that.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #66)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:04 PM

68. Actually, I didn't. I'm not a mind reader

And getting contributions from 2.4 million while getting 9 million votes (with, obviously, the number of votes will rise as the primaries continue) isn't much evidence of some conspiracy.

Also, care to clarify what you meant about Trump? Do you think his $12 million came from millions of donors?

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Response to onenote (Reply #68)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:31 PM

72. I wasn't talking about donations to Trump.

I was talking about the crowds who show up to see the asshole.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #72)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:50 PM

73. Trump has big crowds, but he also has 2 million fewer popular votes than Clinton

And only around 1 million more than Sanders. Another conspiracy?

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #10)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:08 PM

29. Hillary in 2008 argued that "Bernie" (herself) stay in the race "Until every Vote is Counted"



I suspect the real fear she has is that the american people will realize she's been working against us on health care - behind our backs using trade deals for 20 years!

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Response to Baobab (Reply #29)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:15 PM

36. What Hillary basically said there was that by early June (pre-convention)

it would be clear. And early June BEFORE the convention, she conceded the race. She also pointed out the factors that made it worth waiting for that brief period of time. This is quite different than what Bernie is saying.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #36)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:21 PM

37. Read the link below and to the right to see why its so important Bernie stay in

Hillary's whole health care plan was a smoke screen and a diversion , to help us be bamboozled out of health care affordability and JOBS, potentially millions of high paid middle class jobs- that started 20 years ago,


And the trickery is still going on. please, read it. Below and to the right, after the two charts.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:49 AM

11. You know how Deadheads used to travel around the country seeing every concert?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:03 PM

23. So. Much. This.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:05 PM

25. Yes

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:05 PM

80. Lol! Perfect! Only difference is that they changed up the playlist now and then.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:50 AM

12. The hard fact is

Number of people attending a rally NOT = number of people voting for cadidate

Some are just gawkers. That's just the way it is.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:52 AM

13. This would be like me wondering how the UF football team ever gets defeated.

 

Me: One hundred thousand showed up to the game and they lost. How does that work?

Someone smarter than me: Because wins and losses are actually determined by something other than crowd size.

Me: What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you fucking telling me that crowd size doesn't have anything to do with the scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I smell a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone smarter than me: Go change your drawers, that smell will subside.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 PM

54. AND YOU, NCTraveler, WIN THE INTERNET today.

Congratulations.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:26 PM

58. Hey, easy with my Gators!!!

I'll sic Albert on you.








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Response to Beacool (Reply #58)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:34 PM

60. Alberta runs the show in that relationship.

 

Go Gators!!!!!

Warrington College of Business Grad

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #60)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:38 PM

61. I'm a UF graduate myself.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #61)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:45 PM

64. Awesome. Go Gators!!!!

 

I knew there was something special about you outside of your obvious intelligence, sharp wit, and charm.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #64)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:16 PM

70. Why sir, you flatter me.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #61)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:45 PM

100. You're a gator girl!! It's nice to learn new things about you, Bea!! (eom)

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Response to StevieM (Reply #100)

Tue May 3, 2016, 02:19 PM

117. Yep, Gators all the way!!!



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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #13)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:13 PM

92. lol

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:57 AM

16. At a Bernie rally, you appear to be "cool" AND it's also a cheap date.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:57 AM

17. This is just sad.

 

This encapsulates the desperation we have seen too often on DU and it has only increased recently.




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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:57 AM

18. Because MILLIONS more

 

have lives and don't have time to go to political rallies but make sure we have time to vote?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 11:59 AM

20. Another Conspiracy: Brought to you by the SAME FOLKS who think ...

... that Bernie's Facebook group was taken down by Hillary's campaign.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:00 PM

21. I'm not seeing much diversity in those photos? Is anyone else?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:02 PM

22. My daughter and a few of her friends have

attended several Sanders rallies and none of them bothered to show up and vote. Both of my parents, all three of my brothers, and myself have never attended a rally and we all voted for Clinton. See how that works? Just because large crowds show up doesn't mean anything.

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Response to littlebit (Reply #22)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:54 PM

45. Just curious, why didn't they vote?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #45)

Mon May 2, 2016, 09:07 PM

97. Who knows

It wasn't because they couldn't get to the polls. TX has early voting for two weeks. I guess they had better things to do.

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Response to littlebit (Reply #97)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:39 PM

98. Obviously he didn't inspire them. His rallies are fun shows, nothing else

Thanks for the reply!

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Response to littlebit (Reply #22)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:32 PM

59. This..........

Large crowds don't necessarily translate into votes.

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Response to littlebit (Reply #22)

Tue May 3, 2016, 02:08 PM

115. Same people traveling to different rallies..about 1/3 are repeaters. nt

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #115)

Tue May 3, 2016, 02:16 PM

116. True

I will give another example along those lines. In 2008 my late wife and I went to two Clinton rallies in South Carolina. We didn't vote in the SC primary because we lived in NC.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:06 PM

26. Those of us who have been through more than a few elections

 

have seen this time and time again in elections be it Presidential or otherwise. You underestimate the power of people who do not attend rallies.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:07 PM

27. Brought by the same people who hacked the DNC computers

 

for the Sanders campaign, committing a felony of unauthorized access to the private information of thousands of people.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:08 PM

28. Silent Majority! Exit polls are always wrong! Minorities hate Bernie!

 

I know the list is long, but the absurd excuses the Hillary camp has come up with for why she has no visible popular support, loses by much more when there is a caucus and votes are seen by real people, or the 17% increase in MA where votes were hand counted...

It is so freaking obvious they are stealing it for her, and she sucks so bad she will lose to Trump.

We are screwed.

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Response to J_J_ (Reply #28)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:13 PM

34. well in "a future to believe in"

can hardly hold a candle to "resistance is futile."

i say as a term of getting the government contract, they have to print "love and kindness(TM)" right on the cluster bombs.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:09 PM

31. Lol. ok then. nt

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:12 PM

33. Even if they all voted they are still only a subset of the voters.

In the NYC area consisting of 17 congressional districts 788,312 voted for Clinton and 464,324 voted for Sanders. Out of those 464,324 Sanders voters only 27,000 showed up at the rally. Why weren't the rest of them there?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:15 PM

35. it really doesn't have to be major at all

when a little phone tree involving the DNC and state democratic parties will take care of it nicely.

every totalitarian group ridicules discussion of unfair elections. it's how they roll.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:37 PM

40. Not all of the crowds are actually interested enough to show up on election day?

It's not rocket science...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:45 PM

41. How is it possible?

How is it possible that Romney didn't win by a landslide with these crowds in Oho?





When I saw those Romney crowds, I laughed. By the I knew crowds were meaningless. I learned my lesson the hard way with John Kerry.

(For some I can't post this picture here, but you can see it at the link)

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/democratic-presidential-candidate-john-kerry-is-joined-by-musician-picture-id51598242



Look at those crowds for Kerry! I myself went to one of his rallies...so exciting! I knew he was going to win, I just knew it! How could he not, when he can attract such huge crowds! And yet...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:47 PM

42. Because those are not voting booths.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:50 PM

43. 27,000 in Washington Square Park, drawn from all over the NY Tristate area

 

270,000 people voted in Manhattan alone.

The saddest thing about these boneheaded conspiracies is their complete misunderstanding of scale. We need math education and badly. Filling a 30,000 seat arena is massive, but it's a drop in the bucket when 300,000 vote. Sandersites were excited about 3,000 people coming out to see Bernie at an event in Philadelphia. 3,000!

300,000 people voted in Philadelphia alone.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:51 PM

44. Because rallies don't equal votes n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:00 PM

47. I don't know if it's a conspiracy ...

but it certainly highlights a major difference between the level of devotion & enthusiasm of Bernie supporters vs HRC supporters. The crowds at HRC's AstroTurf events exhibit all of the enthusiasm one might expect at a colonoscopy.

So for me it boils down to 2 candidates that millions of Amercans dislike squaring off in November. Trump's followers are highly motivated to vote for Trump. HRC's supporters strike me as kinda "meh" , although several of her followers have tried to make the case that she'll win because people will come out to vote AGAINST Trump. Now I don't have any hard data at hand, but I've heard numerous pundits over the years say that it is damn near impossible to win a race by getting people to vote AGAINST someone rather than FOR someone. And FWIW, there are plenty of Republicans and Independents who will vote AGAINST Hillary, so I don't see the "anti-Trump" vote tipping the scales when you account for the "anti-Hillary" vote.

It will be close, but in the end, Wall Street wins either way if it is in fact Trump vs HRC. Economic justice will get placed on the back burner even if HRC wins, and we'll have to settle for whatever crumbs she decides to toss our way to give the appearance that she gives a rat's ass about anyone NOT in the 1%.

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #47)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:15 PM

53. Most actual exit polls

show that Hillary supporters are just as enthusiastic about her becoming president as Bernie supporters.

Maybe reciting the same stump speech about the 1% just doesn't inspire as many people as you think it does?

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Response to qdouble (Reply #53)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:15 PM

93. If the 1% gobbling up our national wealth doesn't bother you...

you must not think the prevailing economic injustice is a real problem. And I'd say you must not get around much. There is a growing number of Americans being left behind each year. The upper crust may be doing great, maybe even the upper middle class (who feel the 1% is within their grasp, rightly or wrongly). But most other Americans are watching their standard of living decline. And I've yet to hear HRC offer anything of significance to alter the status quo.

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #93)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:22 PM

95. The 1% is a garbage talking point.

Nothing beyond strong armed wealth redistribution will change that. I don't hear anything that Bernie has suggested that will stop there from being a 1%. Empty slogans and populist demonization of the wealthy does not equal sound policy.

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Response to Yurovsky (Reply #47)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:44 PM

63. Hillary-supporters have shown their "devotion & enthusiasm" by actually voting

Bernie-supporters by showing up at rallies.

Guess which is more critical to gaining the nomination.

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Response to DrDan (Reply #63)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:08 PM

88. She got more votes in 2008...

so the trend is not positive. In both election years she had every imaginable advantage, yet either lost, or - best case scenario gor her this year - got dragged all the way into May before she could put away a challenger nobody in the media took seriously a year ago.

She's not well liked. Never will be. Even if she gets elected, she'll enter office with historic negatives and a likely impeachment trial for crimes real or imagined (or both).

Maybe she would surprise me. Maybe she'd work to empower the poor & working class. Maybe she'd eschew militarism and seek peaceful solutions in international disputes. Maybe she'd reform Wall Street & the mega banks. Maybe she'd make single payer a reality.

There's a lot of things she could do that would benefit most Americans. And I would love to see her accomplish them if she gets elected POTUS. But I fear that much of what I would like to see her accomplish runs counter to what many of her big donors would like to see her do. And she'll have a re-election on her mind not long after she gets settled back into the WH, which means she'll be raising money from those corporate interests who will oppose progressive change.

I'd love to be proven wrong if she does in fact prevail. I'm not holding my breath, but if she shows courage and promotes a center-left agenda, I'll seriously consider supporting her in 2020. For now, she's given me no reason to.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:04 PM

48. Ask President Rmoney, he had rallies that dwarfed Bernies..oh wait

 

For every one person that shows up at a rally, there are hundreds that don't.

I haven't been to any this year but I did show up at the ballot box and voted for our next President, HRC.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:06 PM

49. Politics 101: Always book venues smaller than your expected crowd.

Gives the illusion of a ground swell. Everybody does it, including Bernie.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:06 PM

50. Can you do basic math?

The numbers in your photo add up to only 126,000 people spread out over 12 states. That's only 12% of the votes that Clinton got in New York alone!

The biggest rally you list there in a state that has already voted is Seattle with 15,000 people. That's in a state where 230,000 people caucused, and there are 4 million registered voters. The Seattle metro area is 3.7 million people, which is about half of the entire Washington state population. So figure 115,000 caucus goers in Seattle, and 2 million registered voters. If 32% of them are Democrats, that's probably 640,000 registered dems in Seattle, so that rally represents maybe 2% of Seattle Democrats! And maybe at best 40% of the people who actually participated in the Seattle democratic caucus.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:12 PM

52. Hell, you don't need millions and millions of people...

Five will do.


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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:18 PM

55. they are the same crowd?

I swear he buses them from place to place.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:21 PM

56. Yeah, it's called voting.

More Democrats have voted for Hillary than have voted for Sanders. Sucks, but it's reality.


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Response to Beacool (Reply #56)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:04 PM

67. Funny how that works, huh?

Big rallies don't mean crap. Hell, Millie Vanilli pulled in big crowds.

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Response to Stuckinthebush (Reply #67)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:10 PM

69. I had forgotten about them.

I wonder what they're doing now. Working at a karaoke bar?



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Response to Beacool (Reply #69)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:57 PM

74. Eating free pizza

at a Bernie rally!

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Response to Beacool (Reply #69)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:46 PM

76. One of them, Rob Pilatus, killed himself in 1998

 

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #76)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:37 PM

86. Oh, I didn't know that.

I'm sorry to hear, sad ending to a promising life. I just looked it up.

"In order to restore their career, Farian agreed in 1997 to produce a new Milli Vanilli album with Morvan and Pilatus on lead vocals. This all led up to the recording of the 1998 Milli Vanilli comeback album Back and In Attack. Even some of the original studio singers backed the performers in their attempt to bring back some of the fame that had been shed so quickly. However, Rob Pilatus encountered a number of personal problems during the production of the new album. He turned to drugs and crime, committing a series of assaults and robberies and was ultimately sentenced to three months in jail and six months in a drug rehabilitation facility in California. Farian bailed Pilatus out of jail and paid for the rehab and plane tickets for him to fly back to Germany. On the eve of the new album's promotional tour on 2 April 1998, Pilatus was found dead of a suspected alcohol and prescription drug overdose in a Frankfurt hotel room. Pilatus' death was ruled accidental."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli

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Response to Beacool (Reply #86)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:02 PM

87. I remember it in the news back then

 

I think VH1 did something on them too.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #87)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:09 PM

89. They made a mistake and paid dearly for it, but he didn't deserve to die.

May he rest in peace.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #89)

Wed May 4, 2016, 02:30 PM

119. Hey, who are we kidding? They were terrible

 

And there's a reason we use them as a punchline for jokes. I just personally would never equate them with Bernie Sanders in any way because I think he's the genuine article. His ideas may seem unattainable in this political climate, but for liberals and the working poor like me, he's been the voice we've been waiting to hear for a long time. I loved Obama in '08 and '12 and am disappointed that our system hasn't allowed him to bring the change he had promised. While it's easy to make fun of the big rallies and the hippies and "free pizza" eaters that may show up, we really believe in his message.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:40 PM

62. rallies are a lot more fun than voting . . . that is tedious - you have to register and all . . .

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:47 PM

65. Because his organization didn't make sure those folks got to the polls.

Next question.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #65)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:16 PM

71. Or even registered for that matter.

I seem to remember the complaints early on in the campaign about how the DNC wasn't registering voters at his events, like it was their obligation to register Bernie voters.

The campaign should have been doing this from the get go. This is Ground Game 101.

Talk about missed opportunity...

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #71)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:39 PM

75. ABO--Always Be Organizing.

Those commitment forms that Hillary's people got filled out at events--there's your list. Then you call people and check to see if they are registered and know where to vote.

I worked an election where we even asked mail-in voters if they had the right color pen to fill out the ballot.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:47 PM

78. Because rallies are not representative of the general electorate.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 04:52 PM

79. Posting 90% white rally pics for Louisiana, Arizona, and Texas

And you're wondering why you're not winning?

There is no way in hell that the New Orleans' pic is representative of the state, let alone the city.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:14 PM

81. .....

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:22 PM

82. This is a pretty absurd post. Have some dignity and self delete it.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:23 PM

83. K&R Exactly

Don't believe your lying eyes.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 05:52 PM

85. Well, a lot of the crowds are the same people, and they can only vote once,

 

assuming they're registered, and bother to do so, and are not following Bernie around like groupies and attending numerous rallies in numerous places.

Also, he's losing in literal landslides because people who are not partying at his rallies are looking at his positions on issues, and seeing that he can't back up anything and has no plans or knowledge or even interest in actual facts.

It's why VOTERS are flocking to his opponent, and will be doing so in November. If Bernie and his supporters are smelling rats, at some point they need to start questioning if that odor is coming from themselves.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:12 PM

90. Voting > rallies? tia

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:13 PM

91. Mob rule ain't our thing.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 08:24 PM

96. Hell isn't that a requirement

For anyone who wants to be a Sanders supporter, to be able to smell major conspiracies around every corner?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:46 PM

101. When I went to a Sanders rally last year (Amherst, MA), NOBODY was registering voters

Maybe they thought it was somebody else's job...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #101)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:57 PM

104. I've also heard he never talked to the audience about getting registered in each state

How to sign up, deadlines, rules, etc. Boring details like how to actually vote must not have been "revolutionary" enough I guess.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:53 PM

102. I have a simple answer HRC supporters will never believe. The vote machines are rigged and many

are owned and connected to Soro's #1 contributor to Clinton. No tallies, no receipts nothing to check the vote, nothing....her 12 million is not 12 million. The fraud that has been in video is huge and appalling. This election is rigged and the queen has a coronation. The supers gave her their endorsement long before her opponents entered the ring. She is not winning fairly. Our Country among others sucks. No verification of the vote is on purpose. Missing votes is on purpose, switching votes is on purpose, trashing votes is on purpose. She will win this at any cost and any possible means.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #102)

Tue May 3, 2016, 12:58 PM

106. Huh?

 

much?

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #106)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:02 PM

108. IDZ DE MACHINEEES!

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #108)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:41 PM

112. The evil George Soros, who sometime we love and sometimes we hate

Hard to keep though on which days he's good and which days he's bad,

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #106)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:50 PM

114. Huh? Much back at you...denial...denial..cuz no matter what she is gonna win come hell or

high water or preordained rigged election system. The proof is there but somehow you all on H's side don't seem to see any of the video's point blank showing it.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #102)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:22 PM

111. CT belongs in CREATIVE SPECULATION

I'll note that this drivel ignores the number of States that use and retain paper ballots for recounts.

I'll ALSO note that Sanders hasn't challenged the "rigged" vote count in a single State.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #111)

Tue May 3, 2016, 01:49 PM

113. He doesn't have to. You guys keep using that one. But many states use the machines and

tabulators all privately owned and easily manipulated. You must have post it notes all over the place by now.

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