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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:22 PM May 2016

Calling for Bernie to drop out is silly

His staying in won't throw the election to Trump. Hillary should be able to beat Trump handily, if only because he's the most wildly undisciplined candidate in history. The republican party is split and these are rifts that are not easily healed. Bernie isn't hurting her simply by staying in until all the primaries are over. He's not going to drop out no matter how plaintive your cries. Just be patient. He will endorse her and he will campaign for her. Having won, it would be wiser to demonstrate a wee bit of graciousness, and stop excoriating Bernie and all of us- his supporters.

It's one thing to be a sore loser. Being a sore winner is just counter productive.

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Calling for Bernie to drop out is silly (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Long time no see. You are right, too. morningfog May 2016 #1
Thanks. Nice to see you too. cali May 2016 #4
Either one will do fine against Trump. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #2
Good post. bigwillq May 2016 #3
Agreed!!!! K&R UMTerp01 May 2016 #5
Welcome back! hrmjustin May 2016 #6
You heard Bernie say that he would Pastiche423 May 2016 #7
I know Bernie. He's represented me for over 25 years. cali May 2016 #10
He also has repeatedly said Pastiche423 May 2016 #14
I believe he said she will have to take up a number of issues in order for HIS SUPPORTERS ... markpkessinger May 2016 #19
Bernie Sanders Lays Out His Requirements For Endorsing Pastiche423 May 2016 #22
A close race guaranties free press. Loudestlib May 2016 #8
K&R - I was afraid you were unofficially banned, your posts are so often clear and informative Dragonfli May 2016 #9
Thank you so much. cali May 2016 #11
Seconded. Thanks cali & Dragonfli both for your contributions here. nt appal_jack May 2016 #21
I THOUGHT the Sun was shining a little brighter today than yesterday... cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #12
Realistically, why stay in? Corporate666 May 2016 #13
Because it isn't just about winning the nomination . . . markpkessinger May 2016 #20
Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong G_j May 2016 #24
Just as Hillary dropped out when it was clear she wasn't going to win back in 08, right? SheilaT May 2016 #29
Even if all you care about is Hillary -- his staying in helps her Jim Lane May 2016 #42
As an aside, welcome back nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #15
It's the latest attempt to avoid responsibility mindwalker_i May 2016 #16
WHo has the better chance Ferd Berfel May 2016 #17
A person who can add and subtract, that aint Sanders uponit7771 May 2016 #35
You've been missed hootinholler May 2016 #18
Welcome back, we missed you. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #23
Right. It's perfectly fine for Trump & Sanders to be tag-teaming Clinton for the next 6 weeks. baldguy May 2016 #25
Welcome back. HooptieWagon May 2016 #26
I am so glad to see you! MuseRider May 2016 #27
Over 60 million people in the remaining states have yet to have their voices heard. JeffHead May 2016 #28
yes - thank you! dana_b May 2016 #33
Well Hillary is gonna have a talk with Comey soon Kalidurga May 2016 #30
The people calling for it are just flogging a dead horse. joshcryer May 2016 #31
And in the meantime... pat_k May 2016 #32
No, no its not... he's losing more than just this primary uponit7771 May 2016 #34
Sure. Do tell what he is losing beyond the primary. Lol.y cali May 2016 #38
Hey, good... onyourleft May 2016 #36
It's the call of the "wah!" MrMickeysMom May 2016 #37
It might help Trump especially Demsrule86 May 2016 #39
Bernie is now running against Clinton With Trump. Demsrule86 May 2016 #40
Uses her resources time and effort. Two attacking her. Now Sanders demanding another debate. seabeyond May 2016 #41
Yes ... THIS! It's Bernie's ego ... NurseJackie May 2016 #43
Not to mention repetitive. Orsino May 2016 #44

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
2. Either one will do fine against Trump.
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

The debates alone will be a horror show for the GOP. I refuse to freak out. Go Bernie. Thank you for doing what you said you would. It's refreshing to see a politician keep his word.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
5. Agreed!!!! K&R
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:25 PM
May 2016

Besides, it shows how much more sane our party is. Its fine for Bernie and Hillary to have different visions. They are still the adults in the room. Hillary has been dealing with criticism for how many years? What Sanders is throwing at her is nothing to compared what Trump is going to. She will be fine. The party will be fine in the end, but I do think the party needs to find a way to combine the needs of the expanding liberal base.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. I know Bernie. He's represented me for over 25 years.
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

He's said repeatedly that we can't afford a republican. I'd bet anything I'm right.

Pastiche423

(15,406 posts)
14. He also has repeatedly said
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:37 PM
May 2016

that in order to endorse her, she would have to take up a number of his issues.

She will not, so...

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
19. I believe he said she will have to take up a number of issues in order for HIS SUPPORTERS ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:57 PM
May 2016

... to back her, not himself.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
9. K&R - I was afraid you were unofficially banned, your posts are so often clear and informative
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:31 PM
May 2016

I missed them greatly during your vacation.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
12. I THOUGHT the Sun was shining a little brighter today than yesterday...
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

Damn glad to see a post from you.

Totally agree by the way.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
13. Realistically, why stay in?
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

Everyone knows he cannot win.

Everyone knows he will ultimately support Clinton, campaign for her, and promote her.

Given the axiomatic nature of the two prior statements, what does he have to gain by staying in? All he is doing is causing divisiveness. There is no positive effect and a large negative effect.

The only reason to stay in is personal movies, ego, money, etc. It can't be anything else.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
20. Because it isn't just about winning the nomination . . .
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016

. . . but about influencing the party platform. He and his supporters will have zero leverage if he drops out now.

G_j

(40,371 posts)
24. Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

It's not, never has been, and never will be about his ego, it is, and will always be, about the people. That is... you and I.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
29. Just as Hillary dropped out when it was clear she wasn't going to win back in 08, right?
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

Actually, she stayed in through the last primary that year.

I'm in a state that has yet to have its primary, and if I don't get to vote for my choice in my primary, then Hillary clearly won't need my vote in November.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
42. Even if all you care about is Hillary -- his staying in helps her
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

For people who would vote for Clinton only with the nose held very firmly closed, it's easier to do that if one has had the chance to express one's real preference by voting against her in the primary.

Furthermore, Bernie has energized many new voters. Some of them, if Clinton is the nominee, will go back to seeing only two corporate parties that don't care about them, and won't vote in the fall -- but at least some of them will stay involved enough to vote for Clinton, however unenthusiastically.

(Side note to the admins: The DU spell checker red-flags "unenthusiastically". If Clinton is the nominee, you're gonna have to fix that.)

Even in the states that have already voted, Bernie's supporters are more likely to vote for Clinton in November if they feel that Bernie has been treated fairly. If he's pressured to drop out, it will leave a sour taste in many mouths.

You complain that he's "causing divisiveness." No, he's not causing it, he's capitalizing on it. The divisiveness was always there. Back when I had no idea that Bernie would actually run, I was unhappy with the prospect of Clinton as our nominee, because of her conservatism -- and I think there are millions of other people who felt the same way.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
16. It's the latest attempt to avoid responsibility
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:39 PM
May 2016

I don't know how the general will go, but it seems like Trump has a *lot* of material, starting will Hillary endangering the nation with classified information on an unsecured server. The Hillary camp telling Bernie to drop out is setting up an excuse for why Hillary would lose so they don't need to confront the fact that she is a severely flawed candidate, even after she loses.

Setting the blame!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
25. Right. It's perfectly fine for Trump & Sanders to be tag-teaming Clinton for the next 6 weeks.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

Not going to have any effect at all.

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
28. Over 60 million people in the remaining states have yet to have their voices heard.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

Can we just let people vote first?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
30. Well Hillary is gonna have a talk with Comey soon
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:18 AM
May 2016

So, tptb needs Bernie to drop out before the indictment hits the fan so they can install someone they like better than Bernie.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
37. It's the call of the "wah!"
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

302 delegate difference, not counting the supers, which I posted here last night. Maybe I should kick that post to remind people!

CNN is so Fox this morning... Can't tell the difference. Spin machine cycle going as usual... sigh.

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
39. It might help Trump especially
Wed May 4, 2016, 07:16 AM
May 2016

with Bernie's Continuing attacks on Hillary and the Democratic Party as a whole. He did not win by enough to make up the pledged delegate deficit...he will not get supers although I see some person has posted their personal info here which is wrong by the way and dangerous. Bernie needs to get out. No point hanging around until California. The GOP has their candidate; we need ours, and it won't be Bernie Sanders.

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
40. Bernie is now running against Clinton With Trump.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

So yes, every time he opens his mouth, he helps Trump. Now that Trump is the nominee, Bernie needs to do the right thing and concede.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
41. Uses her resources time and effort. Two attacking her. Now Sanders demanding another debate.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:22 AM
May 2016

Time wasted. Time to kick him to the curb and Fuchs on GE.

Cruz says the voters have spoken. Sanders says my voters more important Fha Clinton's. Overturn their vote.

What a man... of integrity.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
44. Not to mention repetitive.
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

Every day we see another three DUers suddenly decide "it's time," but giving no reason beyond their personal comfort.

We've got two strong candidates, and that beats the zeros on the other side of the aisle. We can have our coronation at the convention, whereupon both our strong candidates will be working to ensure our nominee's victory.

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