2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGDP this a.m. is thread after thread of voting irregularities & disenfranchisement in Indiana
By golly I can hardly wade through them all, there's so ma...
so many....
so...many...?
Wait, where are they all? Surely in a red state there's bound to be a concern about the lack of polling places, like Arizona...oh, look at that;
Yet several factors could cause chaos at the polls on Tuesday. The state is only keeping sites open until 6 p.m., which could pose difficulties for people who cannot leave work until 5 p.m. or later. Many other states keep their polls open until at least 8 p.m. And unlike some other states, Indiana has no laws requiring employers to give their workers time off in order to vote.
Indiana also has an open primary, in which registered Independents can vote for any candidate they choose, which may lead to even higher turnout and longer lines. Some counties already had lines at the door when the polls opened at 6 a.m.
Yet despite the anticipation of long waits, some counties in Indiana have also followed Arizonas lead in slashing the number of polling places. In Wells County, which has the highest turnout rate in the state, officials cut the number of available voting sites from 15 to five.
How interesting, but hey, it's a red state, maybe the Sanders camp is just resigned to the GOP's chicanery by now. If anything else happened, surely they would have spoken u...oh, wait...
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) An election official in a central Indiana county says software problems that created long waits at some polling places led some people to leave without ever voting in Tuesdays primary.
Hancock Countys Clerk of the Courts, Marcia Moore, says the software vendor for the county, just east of Indianapolis, really let us down with computer glitches.
Moore says as long lines formed at some of the largely rural, countys 12 voting centers, some people left because they were frustrated that the line was slow. No voters were turned away from polling places, but Moore says some left because they worried about being late for work.
Following the alleged irregularities in Iowa, Arizona, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, etc...surely we will see the Sanders supporters' fervent interest in fair and honest elections bear fruit and there will be a multitude of threads today calling the Indiana results a sham, a fraud, we need a re-vote, the DoJ, the FBI, and so on. I mean, there isn't possibly a difference between Indiana and Iowa, Arizona, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, is there? So, we'll sit here and wait for these threads to start. It shouldn't be long now...
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Both times these errors worked against Hillary. I am still waiting for the websites to put up articles, and threads to be posted about these anomalies.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Hillary - 56% of the states won
Bernie - 43% of the states won
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)recommending this thread. Hopefully BOTH CANDIDATES and the state party will demand investigation and work to resolve these issues BEFORE the General.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)intheflow
(28,506 posts)There are plenty of people in the world who would love to disrupt a US presidential race. Terrorists, Trump, hell, even the GOP might think hacking the Democratic vote is the only way they'll win against either Democratic primary contender. Hacking is real, vote switching is real, and election integrity and voter confidence must be maintained for ALL citizens, not just the ones whose platforms we agree with.
K&R in spite of the snarky tone of the OP towards Sanders supporters. This Sanders supporter supports election integrity.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)This should be an area where all sides can come together.
We have to save our system of representative Democracy before the oligarchs become totalitarians. Seriously folks.
mcar
(42,403 posts)But they all sank. I wonder why?
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)There are election irregularities all over the place, and they affect all of us. The more exposure they get, the better.
Oh, Bernie supporter, here.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)What happened with the exit polls? Did Hillary rig the fuck out of them again?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Yes, closed polling places and long lines are problems. Surely we can agree with this?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)nice try.
All this is documented by experts and hashed out right here on DU. The congressional hearings have been posted here again, for those who were not a part of that learning process, the rot in the electronic voting systems.
Now, they say Hillary's camp has nothing to do with the cheating. Then at the same time they say repubs don't want to run against Hillary. You can't have it both ways. If it's not the dem party fixing it for Hillary, then it's IS the repubs, who do want her for the nominee.
So much has been exposed this time around, your head will spin.
The repubs voting made manipulation too hard. What can be done, is the winner preserved not to get caught, but move dem votes around in counties, to make them more rich for Hillary. They did this for GW.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Why don't you care, maybe that hurt Hillary? But don't say we did not complain. We did, early in the day. And don't try to say, Bernie people don't care about obstructing the vote, as Hillary has been so silent on.
It's ridiculous, and it's a topic that will come to haunt her, if she's the nominee.
If the rethugs steal it from her, I won't care, as she has NEVER helped us in our efforts for 14 years, and certainly not this cycle, unless the weather vane turns, as in AZ.
TimPlo
(443 posts)The people that pay for GOP votes are same ones that pay for the DNC votes. So the powers that be want Clinton more than Trump because she has taken money from them and Trump has not. Only way they help Trump is if he names a establishment VP. Once that happens they will help him get elected and then align with the (D) in congress to impeach him open they way to VP puppet. Only ones who would even remotely support Trump would be NRA but not even sure of them because Trump is NYer and has send at start of election he was for smart gun control.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Now that Sanders won.... crickets. Wow, it is a fucking insulting hoot.
randome
(34,845 posts)You authoritarian, you!
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uponit7771
(90,367 posts)WhiteTara
(29,728 posts)have been a Clinton victory. We might call this a virtual tie.
snot
(10,540 posts)since electronic voting machines were introduced.
After the fiasco in FL in 2000, the major networks did a major overhaul to try to "fix" their exit polling, which had never been so far off before.
Nonetheless, in 2004, in the middle of the night, results went from Kerry's being ahead by 3 points to Bush being ahead by 3 a 6-point swing.
Exit polls have been "unreliable" ever since.
Even when the candidate favored by the 1% doesn't actually win, shifting the results in that direction helps make the rightward shift of elections in general more plausible.
There is LOTS of evidence that electronic voting and tabulations have been tampered with and a LARGE preponderance of opinion among computer experts that electronic voting and tabulation cannot be made secure.
The apparent refusal of establishment Dems to take election integrity, media control, and some other issues seriously is part of what contributes to my disenchantment with the current state of much of the party. Regardless of what they may say during their campaigns, their priorities in action show that they identify more with the 1% than with the rest of us and that they see us as a mass to be controlled rather than served.