No more distractions: HILLARY - WHERE ARE THE WALL STREET TRANSCRIPTS!

[ViseGrip]

It's to a point, even if you do release them now, I won't believe it's the real transcripts. The fact that you have refused to do this for so long now, is absolutely telling. You have been asked and you just dismiss us voters who want to know, and act like you just don't give a shit.

No transcripts? No integrity. Hardly presidential material.

[Renew Deal]

1. YOU WILL NEVER SEE THEM

[bobbobbins01]

5. Hurray for Transparency!

Static noise machines and secret email servers for everyone!

[Renew Deal]

6. It's all noise

It's a right wing witch hunt as usual

[bobbobbins01]

9. The right wing made her get a secret server?

And use a noise machine?

And keep her transcripts hidden?

How are they doing this????

[Renew Deal]

12. No. They made something out of nothing

Which is what they do.

[bobbobbins01]

13. So those are non-issues?

You're cool with all that?

[Renew Deal]

16. All noise

The server was unethical, but not illegal.

[bobbobbins01]

19. So unethical behaviour is acceptable?

We just draw the line at what is illegal?

[Renew Deal]

20. Technically it was acceptable.

Though I wouldn't have done the same thing. But no one is perfect including Bernie.

[bobbobbins01]

24. No one is asking for perfection.

But ethical behavior isn't that high of a bar.

[Renew Deal]

27. I agree

[panader0]

48. Not ethical is one thing

But the issue is whether it was legal.

[truedelphi]

37. You'd think it would not be an impossible bar to attain, but

then we are talking about a Clinton.

[CorporatistNation]

121. Clinton's Personal "Character" Is Certainly Is Not What Most People Would Consider Acceptable

in a Presidential Candidate Much less a President... It's The TRUST Issue People!

[TM99]

51. If it was good for Bush,

it is good for Clinton.

I can't count the number of seemingly rational and intelligent Republicans I knew who said that if it was legal was Bush Co. was doing then it really didn't matter that it was unethical, inappropriate, or wholly unprofessional.

[redstateblues]

53. I'm still waiting for proof of quid pro quo. Bernie could not even come up

with one shred of proof of corruption after railing about it for a year. So she made a lot of money- I know that BSS consider making money evil-but there is no there there.

[bobbobbins01]

54. Elizabeth Warren has you covered.

[Duckhunter935]

29. I tend to vote for ethical people

[Renew Deal]

31. Me too

[Duckhunter935]

32. Glad to hear you are not voting for Hillary

[Renew Deal]

33. I will be voting for the Democratic Nominee

And that person is Hillary Clinton

[Duckhunter935]

40. I guess you are not telling the truth sorry to say

You state she was not ethical and you vote for ethical people. At least I am good to my word on that. I will not vote for her as she is unethical.

[redstateblues]

56. what is unethical about making money when you have the chance?

There is no proof of quid pro quo-Bernie, when pressed, could not name one instance of corruption in the debate after railing about it for a year

[peace13]

80. Maybe...but the transactions ....not so much.

But, certain people will overlook this. I will never know why. People with little or nothing and everything to lose if she gets in. Sad broke people holding tiny pieces of paper thar read....thanks Bernie.

[scscholar]

83. Considering the state of government IT,...

it was probably a good thing. Well, that is assuming she really did that which I haven't seen any proof of yet.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. It's right-wing mind control!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Ferd Berfel]

116. Unless leaked - they will never surface because they would cause a "Romney" problem for her

If there was noting to them they would have been released by now.
It's a safe bet that they would prove that she has been lying to the rest of us.

[farleftlib]

2. Except that's not an act

She really doesn't give a shit.

At this point keeping them under wraps just proves she's a paid shill and nobody in
their right mind could condone her unethical behavior. Worst. Candidate. Ever.

[ViseGrip]

3. For sure.....worst ever!

[ViseGrip]

4. Kick for focus....

[Duckhunter935]

7. One of the reasons she will not get my vote or support

[SFnomad]

15. tRump thanks you for your support ... n/t

[Duckhunter935]

22. My state is so fucking red my vote

Is worthless for the top of the ticket. I am not helping him at all and your and the Hillary supporters childish threats are part of the reason I will not support her. I will vote down ticket. I bet you also think she will get stuff done, right? HOW?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

35. What if I would be out-voted 3-1 in the state in which I live, a state that WILL vote tRump?

Am I supporting tRump by not voting?

[Duckhunter935]

43. I guess they ran away

All they have is threats, way to win people over, lol

[ChisolmTrailDem]

44. I guess so...

[ViseGrip]

47. I hope congress thanks him too, cuz they'll really be miserable with Trump!

hmmmmm

[Ohioblue22]

102. That will make you part of the 9-11% of party members that vote cross-party every election

[Duckhunter935]

106. cross party?

how is a non vote and voting all dem down ticket cross party? Do tell young one

Member since: Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:08 PM
Number of posts: 45

Interesting a lot of people joined just a Brock started his giveaway.

[Ohioblue22]

107. Oh goody post-count snobbery

[Duckhunter935]

110. Just answering

Your snobbery

[Ohioblue22]

113. I just donated to hillary's campaign are gonna run off and do that too?

statistical facts aren't snobbery

[Duckhunter935]

114. Nope , I will donate to Bernie

[reformist2]

8. Trump is going to make so much hay over this, if Hillary is the nominee.

[ViseGrip]

10. So did Bernie, and I hope Trump gets going...she deserves it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

39. Ok, I like you and we've been cool, but please don't go to such lengths...

...opposing Hillary that would have you cheering on tRump.

Whatever else is fucked up on our side, that's just not cool.

[COLGATE4]

46. You know, it's generally not considered a good idea

to post your wishes that the Rethug candidate beats up on the Democrat. This is Democratic Underground.

[AgadorSparticus]

118. I'm sorry, but...you need a reality check. Maybe DU is not for you... 😨

[basselope]

11. They will be released when best for the GOP.. don't worry.

[ViseGrip]

14. Right, didn't Cruz or Trump have a copy from Cruz's wife?

[basselope]

18. Probably.. or any of the people who attended and recorded them.

Like Romney's 47% comment, you are looking at your October surprise. They didn't want it coming out during the primary b/c it would give Sanders the nod, which they don't want.. but a choice between Trump and Clinton.. they will go with Trump and those speeches will find their way to YouTube.

[JudyM]

73. We should group-fund a reward for anyone who produces a proven copy or recording... betting it would

get to be up in the $thousands...

take out a big ad in the wall st journal and NYT... which we ought to do anyway to take off the gloves and put it all out there...

i'm getting more and more pissed...

[AzDar]

17. Yep... that's REAL leadership: "Only If Republicans Do It First!"

[ViseGrip]

21. She's their gal! Her campaign is fundraising to Bush donors right now!

Gads!

[Melissa G]

75. +250,000!

Totally cool with Hillary supporters that she is pitching Republicans for cash!

Her small donors do not support her like we do Bernie. She needs Big Republican Bush Donors to stay competitive.

What do her supporters say about this? Crickets...

[Duckhunter935]

23. So true

[reformist2]

25. You might even say, when it comes to Wall Street, Hillary does whatever the Republicans do... ;)

[pkdu]

26. You have a vise grip on something alright....just not the facts.

Let's start with the usual Tax Returns.....then we can continue

[ViseGrip]

28. Knowing that the Senate must have every year for him, at least I know there is no

pay to play going on there. Are you kidding me?

[Ned_Devine]

52. The millionaire asks the guy who shops at Men's Wearhouse for his tax returns

I stole that from Michael Moore, but it's the first thing I think when I see this tax return nonsense.

[CorporatistNation]

61. LAUGHABLE... SHOW US THE EFING TRANSCRIPTS!

[Corporate666]

30. You have no right and no reason to see them

It's a total manufactured issue.

It's amazing that so many people can be so clueless as to how the world works.

Companies pay people to give speeches. The benefits to the company are that it looks good having top-shelf people come in to talk to their staff, it cozies them up with powerful people, it's a way for the executives to rub elbows with influential people and it helps with employee morale and retention.

There is almost certainly nothing controversial in the speeches. Hillary isn't an idiot - of course she kept her speeches clean. The only idiots are the people who believe there would be something damning in the speeches. You think this woman is going to say something damning in front of a room full of people - some of whom almost certainly dislike her? She's not that dumb. Only the people bleating about her speeches are that dumb.

On the other hand, she has nothing to gain by releasing them. Of course she will be complimentary to the company and employees - and there are probably plenty of sentences that would be edited to paint her in the worst possible light.

But most of all, she doesn't owe you or anyone else a damn thing. I mean... should we be entitled to Bernie's bank statements? He isn't even releasing his tax returns, despite promising to do so. Tax returns are standard practice. But if we're going beyond tax returns, then what else should we be allowed to see? Bank statements? Credit card statements? Phone records? Copies of business financials?

Please folks, stop with the idiocy.

[uponit7771]

38. +1, They seem more entitled now what when Sanders started

[truedelphi]

41. Hmm, but the FBI doesn't share your opinion.

I guess they have a lot of time on their hands lately.

And they are not only doing an investigation into the email server issues, but also the Clinton Foundation.

One Candidate; two FBI investigations.

Let's hope the shell game that was played out with State Department monies that offered up money to an "educational foundation" and then Bill Clinton receives some three million a year from the same "educational" entity, gosh oh gee, how will the Clintons wiggle out of that one?

[Corporate666]

69. Incorrect

The FBI isn't investigating her speeches. They are investigating the "intersection of the Clinton Foundation and her work at State". In other words, checking if she gave preferential treatment in her position as SoS.

That is a different issue than the speeches.

People just want to see her speeches because they are sure that Wall St. is the devil incarnate (because Bernie said so), and they want to see every word she said.

There's nothing incriminating in the speeches. She knows some of the people in the room hate her when she's giving such speeches. She wasn't born yesterday - she has been around the block many times. She said some complimentary things to the company and staff, things that people would take out of context and turn into sound bytes. She has nothing to gain from releasing them, and she won't. Nor should she. No more than Bernie should release his phone records or his bank statements under the challenge of "if you've got nothing to hide, why do you care if we see it?".

[truedelphi]

77. I did not say they were investigating her speeches.

You write:

They are investigating the "intersection of the Clinton Foundation and her work at State". In other words, checking if she gave preferential treatment in her position as SoS.

I wrote that it is something to be investigated, that Bill Clinton got three million from the Laureate Educational Institute which apparently got monies from State Department, and all that seems pretty much which seems pretty much like nepotism, if not downright illegal..

Why do the Clintons even get to call it a Foundation? It is more like a money laundering outfit!

[dana_b]

55. you're kidding, right? She's running

for the President of the U.S. We have every reason to want to see those speeches and right? Well, maybe not a right but then she has NO right to ask for our vote(s).

She doesn't owe us a thing? That goes double for us.

Idiocy - look in the mirror.

[Corporate666]

71. Calm yourself and re-read my post...

she doesn't OWE you those speeches whatsoever.

You have no reasonable claim to see them. The only reason you want to see them is because you want her to hand you something that you can use to hate her with.

If you think politicians giving speeches stand up and say incriminating things, then you really are an idiot in the truest sense of the word. If you think she didn't say incriminating things, then the ONLY reason you want the speeches is so you can search for one-liners that can be used against her. And to get mad at someone for not providing the ammo to shoot them with is idiotic. Sorry if that ruffles your feather, it just is.

It has never been standard practice for politicians to give speech transcripts. It only started with HRC because people are looking for a reason to hate her. How many times has it been posted here that she's a "corporatist" and only cares about wall st and bankers and other stuff - stuff which none of you have ANY support for whatsoever. If you're smart enough to know that there's nothing incriminating in the speeches, then you should be also smart enough to understand why someone isn't going to provide you with the means to paint them in a bad light.

If you don't realize the plain truth of the above, then stare into the mirror yourself until you figure out who the idiot is.

[dana_b]

91. oh - you are not worth ANYONE'S time here

calm myself.... I would tell you what to go to yourself but I'd be hidden.

ignore!

[timmymoff]

96. She wants our votes, she releases the transcripts,

pretty simple. If not, good luck.

[NorthCarolina]

108. "she doesn't owe you or anyone else a damn thing"

Really? She is running for President of the United States, asking for our votes, and you come here and post that she doesn't owe voters a damn thing? Really? That's your take on it?

I am SO FUCKING GLAD I do not think like a Hillary supporter.

[Sparkly]

112. She doesn't. She's released more information than ANYONE

and yet one candidate hasn't even released his tax returns.

[Duckhunter935]

115. One does not have a foundation as a slush fund

And one does not do quarter of a million dollar speeches

[Sparkly]

120. One does not accuse one of having a slush fund

based on phony numbers cherrypicked to include and exclude categories in an attempt to make it appear a foundation is a slush fund.

Also, yes many ones DO make quarter of a million dollar speeches, while other ones make movies, play sports games, and appear in ads for that much and more.

I hope one might consider whether one is considering one's facts or one's feelings.

[Sparkly]

111. Agree - it's all about more fodder for their attacks

Taking quotes out of context, twisting meanings, making accusations based on nothing.

I can just imagine it:

HRC: "Thank you for that introduction. I'm happy to be here."

1. Why is she thanking Wall Street? What did they give her, other than thousands of dollars of Wall Street money? Nobody with integrity would say "thank you!"
2. Introduction? What introduction? What did they say? Or do they mean that they are introducing her all around their Wall Street corporation to meet other Wall Street people so she can do more work for Wall Street? Nobody with integrity would want an introduction on Wall Street.
3. She's happy to be there? Why is she happy? I guess she loves those Wall Street bankers. Nobody with integrity would say "happy to be here."
4. She said "I'm." Why is it always all about HER?

etc. etc. etc.

[truedelphi]

34. Hey ViseGrip - if you spare a moment later tonight,

Go to google and then type in the word "crooked."

It might make you smile to see what pops up!

[ViseGrip]

63. I did that! HILLARIOUS!

And so true!

[kgnu_fan]

36. So tightly guarded. She must have said something really bad.

[JohnnyRingo]

42. Is that you Reince?

Just a guess.

[Tarc]

45. Do you just reach into a hat and find an attack-meme-of-the-day?

Emailgate just took a hit today with the comments about no evidence of intentional wrongdoing,

Guccifer is the next Curveball.

The math is getting worse for Bernie.

So now you recycle "OMG TE TRANSCRIPTS!" ?

[ViseGrip]

49. You know many are angry that Hillary made these speeches when she KNEW she was running for prez

and continue to ask why the fuck did she do that?
Maybe you don't care, but understand many people do care.

[Tarc]

50. I understand that a "few" people care; not "many"

Sanders did just lose a primary, afterall. One loses elections by having less votes than the other guy/girl.

[B Calm]

86. You do know these Wall Street Banksters stoled a lot of our money and brought the world

economy to it's knees? You are not the least bit interested in what she said after we were forced to bail these crooks out?

[Tarc]

90. Not interested in the slightest

The "BIG BANKS ARE YUUUGE" lines were red meat with little substance on how to actually tackle the perceived problem.

[B Calm]

92. I guess that's one of the requirements in supporting Hillary.

Amazing. . .

[StayFrosty]

57. Find me

Find me a piece of legislation or just proof of something that shows that the money she received for the speeches influenced her votes while she was a senator.

[merrily]

58. She told you. When everyone else, including Republicans, releases transcripts, she will.

Why isn't that good enough for you?

The equal of two evils?

[NanceGreggs]

59. In other words ...

... it looks like the much-desired indictment isn't going to happen - so you're back to hoping the Transcript Fairy will deliver the nomination to Mister Also Ran.

And for the record, "no full and complete tax returns" means no integrity. Is Bernie SO ignorant of the way politics work, he didn't KNOW those tax returns would be asked for? Did he NOT KNOW that there is a precedent for candidates to release full tax returns for multiple years?

Next primary: no amateurs. THAT'S a concept I can get behind.

[KittyWampus]

60. after this you can go back to yelling at clouds.

[B Calm]

62. You are not the least bit interested in what she said to the Banksters we were forced to bail out?

[ViseGrip]

65. Exactly, and there problems where people ignore thier own vetting process.

[Vinca]

64. Maybe Trump will release them since he just hired a Goldman Sachs guy

(and Hillary donor).

[ViseGrip]

66. Exactly, or protect them? We'll see how much reality TV based this campaign really is.

[2cannan]

67. They were probably email attachments on that damn server

and Lord knows how many people (Guccifer, the FBI, NSA, Chinese, Russian, etc.) have them!

[raouldukelives]

68. Any day now. I think all the remaining candidates have released them.

So all her demands have been met. It'd not like her modus operandi is to not mean what she says.

[seabeyond]

70. VISEGRIP... IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton

Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. Lord Acton

[George II]

74. Just don't give up, do you? She NEVER promised transcripts, but Jane promised to release...

...Sanders' tax returns by the due date, which was 18 days ago.

Where are they?

It is customary for candidates to release their tax returns, has been happening for decades. This transcript "BS" is just a contrived smoke screen.

[Tarc]

76. This issue is deader than Emailgate

As the primary is no longer being actively contested, this is less of an issue than it was last month.

As dead as a door-nail, Ebeneezer.

[coffeeAM]

78. She is hiding something which is so obvious!

[underthematrix]

79. You should contact Goldman Sachs since they purchased

her time and those transcripts belong to them.

[Buzz cook]

81. I would advise Clinton not to release any transcripts.

If they are innocent, they won't be believed as the OP points out.

[timmymoff]

97. Trump thanks you for the advice that keeps sanders voters home.

[Buzz cook]

98. If I keep them at home

They are very easily influenced indeed.

[Darb]

82. Gumby-like contortion.

Nice going. Where's the nose?

[Art_from_Ark]

84. Yes, Hillary supporters are doing Gumby-like contortions

to try to rationalize Hillary's Nixonesque behavior.

[Darb]

95. Poor bernies, gotta be tough.

We told you all along that we are voting for Hillary and that she is going to win. We asked you not to cut off your noses to spite your faces, but here you are, cutting off your noses.

Trump is gonna need your vote. Go all the way. Don't just carry his water, cast a vote.

[Bern2WinUSA]

85. Great Post!!! And...

It wont be the first second or anything close to her dismissing the "non-Wealthy Oligarchs" she serves. In quotes because it is my belief. If you do support her name just one, only one economic issue important to working-class Americans and Americans living in poverty, that she has stood by and not changed her tune on. She will talk about terrorists to scare people, she will talk about whats his name to get more free media, on the whole she hasnt a single economic issue that she represents to her core.

She is the one telling us, "You cant expect too much, things are difficult to change."
Bernie is the one saying "You all need to stand Up and fight to make change that this country needs!"

[DrDan]

87. these posts remind me of those poor little guys at Speakers Corner, standing on their chairs,

shouting their message.

Folks walking by completely ignoring them.

But they continue to drone on . . . .

[betsuni]

88. +1

[kgnu_fan]

89. Kick for Saturday morning....

[kgnu_fan]

93. It has been too long.... Transcripts now!

[Joob]

94. where's the transcripts? Maybe release a paragraph.

[B Calm]

99. Another day and still no transcripts of what she said to the Wall Street Banksters.

[Vote2016]

100. Trump is going to define her by this campaign fail. He's a worse person but a far smarter campaigner

[Ohioblue22]

101. You aren't entitled to them

[Logical]

104. No, but she is not entitled to people voting for her also. nt

[Logical]

103. I'll consider donating money to her if she releases them and they do not kiss wallstreet ass.

[Orsino]

109. She's looking into it. n/t

[AzDar]

117. Kick...

[EndElectoral]

119. They're waiting for hell to freeze over.