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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:45 AM May 2016

"Hillary could lose every single contest by a landslide and still be the nominee"


Bernie Sanders has a problem.

Remember those superdelegates, the Democratic Party leaders and elected officials who can vote for the candidate of their choice? The ones Sanders' supporters have been complaining about for months? It turns out, to have a shot at beating out Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president, he needs them.

A lot of them.

He needs the ones who remain uncommitted, as well as more than 200 of those who have already publicly endorsed Clinton. Mathematically, Sanders cannot win the nomination without that support.

On Saturday, Sanders netted more than two dozen delegates over Clinton in Washington state after the party released vote data broken down by congressional district.

But his math remains dire.

Clinton won the Guam caucus on Saturday and now needs just 17 percent of the delegates at stake in upcoming contests to clinch the nomination. That means she could lose every single contest by a landslide and still be the nominee if all of her superdelegates continue to support her

The rest: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/sanders-superdelegates-race-clinton?utm_content=buffer6dd24&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Oh, the irony of Bernie's only chance of winning is to flip over 200 superdelegates + all remaining uncommitted.
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"Hillary could lose every single contest by a landslide and still be the nominee" (Original Post) JaneyVee May 2016 OP
k&r bigtree May 2016 #1
And when she does, she will still be fatally flawed ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #2
And that fatal flaw is what exactly? JaneyVee May 2016 #4
Not being a man Renew Deal May 2016 #6
Reminiscent of the pied piper. grossproffit May 2016 #7
So pied piper. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #21
"Not being a man" rock May 2016 #30
By hook or by crook because BERNIE DESERVES TO WIN! It's HIS TURN! grossproffit May 2016 #3
His turn? This is the first time he's won...maybe in 2024 we will be ready. nt eastwestdem May 2016 #28
There are now more super-delegates available than the number needed to clinch the nomination Renew Deal May 2016 #5
Yep. Lucinda May 2016 #8
Although true, the rest of the quote is important. thesquanderer May 2016 #9
All of her superdelegates continue to support her. baldguy May 2016 #10
"If all of her superdelegates continue to support her." PufPuf23 May 2016 #11
Umm...Hillary has higher favs than Bernie among D's. JaneyVee May 2016 #12
One doesn't feel good enough to read prior to response evidentally. PufPuf23 May 2016 #14
"Unfavorable" is a highly subjective term, and as far as I know that doesn't appear on the ballot. George II May 2016 #16
You seriously are not concerned with how many people dislike Hillary Clinton? eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #17
Where do you get that? It sounds "good" to some, but really isn't true. Do you know how many.... George II May 2016 #18
You know that far fewer people "actively" dislike Bernie Sanders. PufPuf23 May 2016 #19
Just gotta get to know him and the numbers grow. seabeyond May 2016 #22
Don't confuse Hillarians with facts, especially ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #24
Aside from the fact that Sanders has been badmouthing the Democratic Party and the super delegates eastwestdem May 2016 #29
It's because only about a fifth of the country remains to vote. Zynx May 2016 #13
You're totally ignoring Sanders' "momentum"! George II May 2016 #15
But what about the birdies? ... the birdies love BS n/t SFnomad May 2016 #20
I know! Isn't that GREAT!?? :-D NurseJackie May 2016 #23
Just let it play out. Turin_C3PO May 2016 #25
This dreadful system has got to go---it makes voting a waste of time. virgogal May 2016 #26
And that would spell the end of the Democratic Party whatchamacallit May 2016 #27
Bush donors are ecstatic. Broward May 2016 #31

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
5. There are now more super-delegates available than the number needed to clinch the nomination
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

So if most of them come out for her she hits 2383

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
9. Although true, the rest of the quote is important.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

Yes, she could "lose every single contest by a landslide and still be the nominee," but as it says, "if all of her superdelegates continue to support her." The question would be whether all those superdelegates would continue to support her if she indeed lost every single contest by a landslide. Not that it's likely to happen, but if she lost enough contests just to give Sanders the lead in pledged delegates, it would be an open question, as to whether the superdelegates would continue to support the candidate who came in second.

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
11. "If all of her superdelegates continue to support her."
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

Something, however unlikely, could happen between now and the convention.

Does one feel good when they support a candidate detested by about 40% of their own party and over half the nation?

Regardless of whether Clinton or Trump ends up POTUS, we are looking at a more authoritarian nation.

Sad.

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
14. One doesn't feel good enough to read prior to response evidentally.
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

To quote my post; "Does one feel good when they support a candidate <<detested by about 40% of their own party >>and over half the nation?".

Hillary Clinton obtained more popular vote than Sanders so far in the Democratic primaries and Sanders is highly unlikely to make up the margin in remaining states.

That is not incompatible with the fact that Hillary Clinton has the highest within the Party unfavorable ratings ever of a presumptive Democratic nominee for POTUS.

This is good?

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. "Unfavorable" is a highly subjective term, and as far as I know that doesn't appear on the ballot.
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

Where do you get the "detested by about 40% of their [her] own party and over half the nation"?

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Where do you get that? It sounds "good" to some, but really isn't true. Do you know how many....
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

...people "dislike" Sanders?

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
19. You know that far fewer people "actively" dislike Bernie Sanders.
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

Personally, I do not have a Sanders fetish but was going to support some other Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton.

I know more than ever before dislike Sanders but that is in large part because he took the risk and encountered the Clinton campaign that campaigned ugly in 2008 and now again in 2016.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
24. Don't confuse Hillarians with facts, especially
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

When facing those facts causes such mental distress and confusion.

"But, she's HILLARY! Of course, she is entitled!"

No, the problem is that she IS Hillary, and most people in the country cannot stand her.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
29. Aside from the fact that Sanders has been badmouthing the Democratic Party and the super delegates
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

for months now (not the best long term strategy, particularly from a guy who said he was going to run a positive campaign) the vast majority of super delegates will not support Sanders, no matter what argument he uses. They are all dedicated, mostly life-long Dems who are very party oriented. Most do not trust Sanders to carry the party mantle.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
13. It's because only about a fifth of the country remains to vote.
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

When you're down by over 10% with the first 80%, that becomes rough.

Turin_C3PO

(13,977 posts)
25. Just let it play out.
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016

Bernie knows he's not going to be the nominee, barring some type of very unlikely scenario. But I'm looking forward to voting for him in New Mexico,just to keep his message alive. I do agree that he needs to stop the talk about trying to overturn the will of the pledged delegates.

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