2016 Postmortem
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Bernie Sanders has a problem.
Remember those superdelegates, the Democratic Party leaders and elected officials who can vote for the candidate of their choice? The ones Sanders' supporters have been complaining about for months? It turns out, to have a shot at beating out Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president, he needs them.
A lot of them.
He needs the ones who remain uncommitted, as well as more than 200 of those who have already publicly endorsed Clinton. Mathematically, Sanders cannot win the nomination without that support.
On Saturday, Sanders netted more than two dozen delegates over Clinton in Washington state after the party released vote data broken down by congressional district.
But his math remains dire.
Clinton won the Guam caucus on Saturday and now needs just 17 percent of the delegates at stake in upcoming contests to clinch the nomination. That means she could lose every single contest by a landslide and still be the nominee if all of her superdelegates continue to support her
The rest: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/sanders-superdelegates-race-clinton?utm_content=buffer6dd24&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Oh, the irony of Bernie's only chance of winning is to flip over 200 superdelegates + all remaining uncommitted.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Named Bernie Sanders
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Stop right there.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)So if most of them come out for her she hits 2383
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Yes, she could "lose every single contest by a landslide and still be the nominee," but as it says, "if all of her superdelegates continue to support her." The question would be whether all those superdelegates would continue to support her if she indeed lost every single contest by a landslide. Not that it's likely to happen, but if she lost enough contests just to give Sanders the lead in pledged delegates, it would be an open question, as to whether the superdelegates would continue to support the candidate who came in second.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The idea that any will "flip" is a pipe dream.
PufPuf23
(8,774 posts)Something, however unlikely, could happen between now and the convention.
Does one feel good when they support a candidate detested by about 40% of their own party and over half the nation?
Regardless of whether Clinton or Trump ends up POTUS, we are looking at a more authoritarian nation.
Sad.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)PufPuf23
(8,774 posts)To quote my post; "Does one feel good when they support a candidate <<detested by about 40% of their own party >>and over half the nation?".
Hillary Clinton obtained more popular vote than Sanders so far in the Democratic primaries and Sanders is highly unlikely to make up the margin in remaining states.
That is not incompatible with the fact that Hillary Clinton has the highest within the Party unfavorable ratings ever of a presumptive Democratic nominee for POTUS.
This is good?
George II
(67,782 posts)Where do you get the "detested by about 40% of their [her] own party and over half the nation"?
PufPuf23
(8,774 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...people "dislike" Sanders?
PufPuf23
(8,774 posts)Personally, I do not have a Sanders fetish but was going to support some other Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton.
I know more than ever before dislike Sanders but that is in large part because he took the risk and encountered the Clinton campaign that campaigned ugly in 2008 and now again in 2016.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)When facing those facts causes such mental distress and confusion.
"But, she's HILLARY! Of course, she is entitled!"
No, the problem is that she IS Hillary, and most people in the country cannot stand her.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)for months now (not the best long term strategy, particularly from a guy who said he was going to run a positive campaign) the vast majority of super delegates will not support Sanders, no matter what argument he uses. They are all dedicated, mostly life-long Dems who are very party oriented. Most do not trust Sanders to carry the party mantle.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)When you're down by over 10% with the first 80%, that becomes rough.
George II
(67,782 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,977 posts)Bernie knows he's not going to be the nominee, barring some type of very unlikely scenario. But I'm looking forward to voting for him in New Mexico,just to keep his message alive. I do agree that he needs to stop the talk about trying to overturn the will of the pledged delegates.