Sun May 8, 2016, 11:10 AM

It seems to me that Hillary is done

Paying lip service to the left. The hard shift rightward is upon her campaign, and IMHO a wee bit premature.

Good now the remaining primary voters will see the glorious truth of who she is, no matter what spiffy leather jacket she wears on Face the Nation.

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It seems to me that Hillary is done (Original post)	hootinholler	May 2016	OP
Evidence to support your first point?	Renew Deal	May 2016	#1
When she stops being so passionate about gun control, you'll know	Armstead	May 2016	#5
So there is no evidence. nt	puffy socks	May 2016	#78
Well...	kaleckim	May 2016	#135
Trump as Unifier: Are Hillary Clinton and Neoconservatives Ready to Join Forces?	w4rma	May 2016	#7
That doesn't support the OP	Renew Deal	May 2016	#9
Hillary forces target Bush donors; Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values	w4rma	May 2016	#12
Every democrat represents "values" better than any republican	Buzz cook	May 2016	#122
Compared to conservative Republicans	xmas74	May 2016	#138
Yep. The sleazy Neo-Cons are backing the Former First Lady...	NewImproved Deal	May 2016	#13
Yeah because Bernie is going to really end wars.	JaneyVee	May 2016	#16
Get real. No one is claiming to end war. It's what the US does best.	libdem4life	May 2016	#22
Reaching out to the Bush big money donors.	Duckhunter935	May 2016	#11
Bring TP.	JoePhilly	May 2016	#62
Funny you should ask.	99th_Monkey	May 2016	#84
Seems to me you are wrong.	riversedge	May 2016	#2
Seems to me	hootinholler	May 2016	#8
Seems to me	rock	May 2016	#67
Careful, it's against the ToS to advocate voting against Democrats	Scootaloo	May 2016	#98
OK, but it's you	rock	May 2016	#102
You said "Now let's vote LEFT!"	Scootaloo	May 2016	#105
That's why I put LEFT in all caps	rock	May 2016	#113
Which is my point	Scootaloo	May 2016	#119
So, Scootaloo	rock	May 2016	#125
I try to not take DU too seriously	Scootaloo	May 2016	#127
You're more than welcome to your opinion	rock	May 2016	#129
Well, I thank you for your permission to have an opinion...	Scootaloo	May 2016	#132
There is nothing what so ever	kaleckim	May 2016	#136
If Hillary is our candidate, who's the Democrat?	AgerolanAmerican	May 2016	#121
Post removed	Post removed	May 2016	#3
So the question is will DU prop up a Neocon/ Republicon lite	Kittycat	May 2016	#15
Man, it's sure "jury lottery" time this morning.	Lizzie Poppet	May 2016	#21
Touched a nerve. It's hard to come to terms with the mirror	Kittycat	May 2016	#23
Nailed it!	Lizzie Poppet	May 2016	#28
I do like the leather, though.	HassleCat	May 2016	#4
That would be cool.	kstewart33	May 2016	#27
Because the previous predictions from Sanders supporters have worked out so well, Huh ? LOL	Trust Buster	May 2016	#6
They've been better than the conservaDem Hillary supporters' predictions.	BillZBubb	May 2016	#36
Perhaps, some underestimated the extent of the right-wing infestation of the Dem Party.	Broward	May 2016	#45
The election will be a choice between a Nixon-style Republican	The Velveteen Ocelot	May 2016	#10
If Nixon was running in this election	XemaSab	May 2016	#38
.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#14
Maybe you should get water away from the fracked gasholes.	hootinholler	May 2016	#17
Fortunately we don't have fracking in NY.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#24
You will	SwampG8r	May 2016	#81
Nope.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#82
Why?	libdem4life	May 2016	#86
Cuomo said no. There is too much opposition to Fracking in NY.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#87
OK...I guess they just let the poor states sink into the ground.	libdem4life	May 2016	#91
The NY goverment has nothing to do with other state politics.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#93
With a little help from the former Senator from New York. Ironic, isn't it?	libdem4life	May 2016	#96
You know as goid as I do an federal ban on fracking will never happen.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#97
Well neither will Health Care for all, but one has to start and only	libdem4life	May 2016	#108
Raise your voice and vote.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#109
Oh, Please.	libdem4life	May 2016	#110
Oh?	hrmjustin	May 2016	#112
But isn't Bernie going to sign an executive order ending fracking? I have heard that....	bettyellen	May 2016	#99
He will just speak and all will be well.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#100
funny when states decide other things, he is loathe to argue with them. gay marriage....	bettyellen	May 2016	#106
Indeed. Mr. Perfect is not perfect.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#111
My breaking point was "how perfect" he is on reproductive rights.....	bettyellen	May 2016	#114
A lot of revisionist history from his fans.	hrmjustin	May 2016	#116
That bit was just going too far. She replied to a hypothetical question about a constitutional	bettyellen	May 2016	#120
The gist of your bogus characterization is...	yallerdawg	May 2016	#18
What shift? She's saying what she's always said, just without mentioning Bernie as much.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#19
I think it's the talking to Jeb Bush and Co that bothers us. Of course,	libdem4life	May 2016	#26
RE: Palling around	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#32
Bernie does it by being honest and telling them how he disagrees. Clinton tells them she agrees with	w4rma	May 2016	#39
I'm sure R's love Hillary's tax increases, ACA embrace, minimum wage increase, etc.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#41
None of which she'll pass through a Republican Congress. But, she'll pass these things.	w4rma	May 2016	#46
Wait ... where are the "socialist/communist" pejoratives?	libdem4life	May 2016	#48
On foreign policy, he's not. He's supported plenty of military intervention he won't mention.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#49
So just half socialist/communist? What a crock.	libdem4life	May 2016	#54
Those are your words, not mine.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#56
So you weren't in on the Cluster Attack of Socialist/Communist.	libdem4life	May 2016	#63
All I'm saying is you brought up socialism/communism in this thread, not me.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#68
Yes, of course I did. It's relevant. I didn't expect anyone with an H	libdem4life	May 2016	#72
It's utterly disingenuous...	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#73
Oh my, "inject something..." I forgot, some think this is a discussion	libdem4life	May 2016	#75
I made comments, then you injected communism into the discussion...	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#77
Think maybe you've got the wrong poster here...I mentioned the Group Speak	libdem4life	May 2016	#88
That's Really Reaching...when she's yes, Palling Around with their Donors	libdem4life	May 2016	#42
If R;s want to jump on the Democratic train, I say welcome. Now we're an even bigger majority.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#47
Uh, not Rs. Rs with big donors. You know, those folk who do not "give"	libdem4life	May 2016	#57
Remember when Bernie crowed about not taking speaking fees, though it would have been illegal to?	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#58
Your point???	libdem4life	May 2016	#85
Plague-infested parasites? Overreact much? Context fail.	libdem4life	May 2016	#131
I have noticed, even in this thread, how	-none	May 2016	#130
She's moved on from Bernie.	kstewart33	May 2016	#29
Yes...that's why she's going to Republicans for financial help.	libdem4life	May 2016	#43
At this point, I don't care who she goes to for $$$ help.	kstewart33	May 2016	#50
Of course you don't.	libdem4life	May 2016	#53
You're right. At this point, I don't care.	kstewart33	May 2016	#61
I'm shaking in my boots at the thought of either as president.	Fawke Em	May 2016	#76
Fawke, if the world wanted Bernie, he wouldn't be some 3 million votes behind.	kstewart33	May 2016	#79
We all have our bubbles.	kstewart33	May 2016	#64
Gosh, how surprising!	Lizzie Poppet	May 2016	#59
She can now pander to Repubs.	Broward	May 2016	#83
Whatever it takes to beat Trump. nt	kstewart33	May 2016	#137
"Centrist" Democrats like Hillary are doing the job regular Republicans used to do	Triana	May 2016	#20
Yes, watch what I do before you listen to what I say or	libdem4life	May 2016	#31
Yep.	BillZBubb	May 2016	#37
You can't use history as an etched-in-stone benchmark.	CrowCityDem	May 2016	#44
No she's not. She has labeled herself a Centrist. She Is Not a Progressive.	libdem4life	May 2016	#51
The centrist Clinton's did things	azurnoir	May 2016	#65
That's the whole point really. DLCers can do by stealth what Republicans can't do overtly	Triana	May 2016	#89
Bullshit-That old smear-Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress	redstateblues	May 2016	#115
Look who was the #1 most liberal.	Triana	May 2016	#140
of course! hello TPP, Keystone XL, Privatized Social Security, ETC	amborin	May 2016	#25
Even though we all realize this is a pointless bash and trash; why the sexism???	Sancho	May 2016	#30
I believe it's Bernie's rumpled clothing and department store suit...for starters.	libdem4life	May 2016	#33
Or his unruly hair. How sexy... er sexist.	Ed Suspicious	May 2016	#70
...and that, as well. Even more than the clothes. In fact, it was mentioned	libdem4life	May 2016	#74
Pointing out that a woman or a POC wouldn't be taken seriously if they ran for	all american girl	May 2016	#143
No big shift ongoing just more speculation of those not accepting reality	beachbumbob	May 2016	#34
Yep ... Just a bunch of crazy Sanders supporters	Trajan	May 2016	#124
Bookmarked for later	lunamagica	May 2016	#35
No. Hillary's mostly very solidly liberal and the party's liberal,	Hortensis	May 2016	#40
Liberal? Liberal? Liberal? Not.	libdem4life	May 2016	#69
Bernie isn't a liberal by personality, he's a	Hortensis	May 2016	#80
Hillary isn't a liberal by personality. She's a Republican-Lite.	libdem4life	May 2016	#90
Bernie's radical by personality. As most of us know	Hortensis	May 2016	#94
Um, Hillary is Republican and Conservative by personality. Or are the	libdem4life	May 2016	#101
No, no 4-paragraph rants needed.	Hortensis	May 2016	#104
Bullshit-That old smear-Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress	redstateblues	May 2016	#117
You did not read carefully. Thus, I just consider the source.	libdem4life	May 2016	#123
If Hillary is so "liberal", then what sort of "liberal" things is Wall Street paying her to do? (nt)	w4rma	May 2016	#142
It seems to me you havent give her a chance.	DCBob	May 2016	#52
Yes, the press has ignored her. Not. Well, in a way they have. They haven't asked	libdem4life	May 2016	#71
She has Oscar de la Renta on speed dial.	CentralCoaster	May 2016	#55
Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the field	Gothmog	May 2016	#60
Qualified to fuck us over, that's for sure.	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#126
The timing is good.	HassleCat	May 2016	#66
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2016	#92
Timing premature you say? NO, the timing is perfect, for Bernie. Let her show who she really is	pdsimdars	May 2016	#95
bernie is losing by 3 million votes and 300 delegates	redstateblues	May 2016	#118
I will put it this way: I am done with her. nt	silvershadow	May 2016	#103
I agree. Then he doesn't have to campaign in the upcoming primary states, right	DLCWIdem	May 2016	#107
When will Hillary be done	k8conant	May 2016	#128
132 replies and I only see 24 of them. Wow, Hillary's people must be out in droves today. I	litlbilly	May 2016	#133
They have their	Old Codger	May 2016	#141
This message was self-deleted by its author	SouthernDemLinda	May 2016	#134
Hers is a backward looking politics. Like him or not, Bernie's perspective is the future	Indpndntfrombirth	May 2016	#139
Checks date of original post.	Tommy_Carcetti	May 2016	#144
Premature rightward sprint, but like a fish out of water she	NorthCarolina	May 2016	#145

Response to hootinholler (Original post)

Sun May 8, 2016, 11:11 AM

Renew Deal (81,381 posts)

It seems to me that Hillary is done

1. Evidence to support your first point?

5. When she stops being so passionate about gun control, you'll know

78. So there is no evidence. nt

135. Well...

7. Trump as Unifier: Are Hillary Clinton and Neoconservatives Ready to Join Forces?

9. That doesn't support the OP

12. Hillary forces target Bush donors; Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values

122. Every democrat represents "values" better than any republican

138. Compared to conservative Republicans

13. Yep. The sleazy Neo-Cons are backing the Former First Lady...

16. Yeah because Bernie is going to really end wars.

22. Get real. No one is claiming to end war. It's what the US does best.

11. Reaching out to the Bush big money donors.

62. Bring TP.

84. Funny you should ask.

2. Seems to me you are wrong.

8. Seems to me

67. Seems to me

98. Careful, it's against the ToS to advocate voting against Democrats

102. OK, but it's you

105. You said "Now let's vote LEFT!"

113. That's why I put LEFT in all caps

119. Which is my point

125. So, Scootaloo

127. I try to not take DU too seriously

129. You're more than welcome to your opinion

132. Well, I thank you for your permission to have an opinion...

136. There is nothing what so ever

121. If Hillary is our candidate, who's the Democrat?

15. So the question is will DU prop up a Neocon/ Republicon lite

21. Man, it's sure "jury lottery" time this morning.

23. Touched a nerve. It's hard to come to terms with the mirror

28. Nailed it!

4. I do like the leather, though.

27. That would be cool.

6. Because the previous predictions from Sanders supporters have worked out so well, Huh ? LOL

36. They've been better than the conservaDem Hillary supporters' predictions.

45. Perhaps, some underestimated the extent of the right-wing infestation of the Dem Party.

10. The election will be a choice between a Nixon-style Republican

38. If Nixon was running in this election

14. .

17. Maybe you should get water away from the fracked gasholes.

24. Fortunately we don't have fracking in NY.

81. You will

82. Nope.

86. Why?

87. Cuomo said no. There is too much opposition to Fracking in NY.

91. OK...I guess they just let the poor states sink into the ground.

93. The NY goverment has nothing to do with other state politics.

96. With a little help from the former Senator from New York. Ironic, isn't it?

97. You know as goid as I do an federal ban on fracking will never happen.

108. Well neither will Health Care for all, but one has to start and only

109. Raise your voice and vote.

110. Oh, Please.

112. Oh?

99. But isn't Bernie going to sign an executive order ending fracking? I have heard that....

100. He will just speak and all will be well.

106. funny when states decide other things, he is loathe to argue with them. gay marriage....

111. Indeed. Mr. Perfect is not perfect.

114. My breaking point was "how perfect" he is on reproductive rights.....

116. A lot of revisionist history from his fans.

120. That bit was just going too far. She replied to a hypothetical question about a constitutional

18. The gist of your bogus characterization is...

19. What shift? She's saying what she's always said, just without mentioning Bernie as much.

26. I think it's the talking to Jeb Bush and Co that bothers us. Of course,

32. RE: Palling around

39. Bernie does it by being honest and telling them how he disagrees. Clinton tells them she agrees with

41. I'm sure R's love Hillary's tax increases, ACA embrace, minimum wage increase, etc.

46. None of which she'll pass through a Republican Congress. But, she'll pass these things.

48. Wait ... where are the "socialist/communist" pejoratives?

49. On foreign policy, he's not. He's supported plenty of military intervention he won't mention.

54. So just half socialist/communist? What a crock.

56. Those are your words, not mine.

63. So you weren't in on the Cluster Attack of Socialist/Communist.

68. All I'm saying is you brought up socialism/communism in this thread, not me.

72. Yes, of course I did. It's relevant. I didn't expect anyone with an H

73. It's utterly disingenuous...

75. Oh my, "inject something..." I forgot, some think this is a discussion

77. I made comments, then you injected communism into the discussion...