2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton disses Sanders 'not actual' grandchildren?
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/01/did-hillary-clinton-just-take-a-strange-shot-at-be.htmlNot sure if there's any other way to take this than as minimizing Bernie's love for his step-grandchildren.
elleng
(130,895 posts)January 15.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)"people talk about their extraordinary grandchildren, but I actually have one"
but = in contrast
"but I actually have one"
In contrast to
"people {who} talk about their extraordinary grandchildren."
Seems to me the only attribute she could be drawing a contrast with is "actually having."
I can't see it arising from any thought other than: "He doesn't even actually have any grandchildren."
I have trouble imagining the petty, disdainful, place such a thought would arise from, but that seems to be what she's saying.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)It has absolutely nothing to do with Sanders grandkids.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)How do you interpret the sentence?
What's she contrasting?
JI7
(89,249 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Surely you aren't the kind of person she is.
JI7
(89,249 posts)posted before with some trying to make it into something it's not.
Talking about people who think they have extraordinary grandchildren, but don't "actually" have them?
There's a joke in there somewhere?
JI7
(89,249 posts)better than other grandkids.
I get it now..."but I actually have one {an extraordinary grandchild}" vs. how I heard it "but I actually have one {a grandchild}.
Seems obvious now. Guess I'm too literal-minded.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Stop digging up this old crap that was already argued about. It won't change the results.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)on the honor role and lettering in four sports, is not my actual granddaughter because her mother was adopted? BS and that's not Bernie Sanders.
JI7
(89,249 posts)grandkid and that is the clinton one.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She is joking that her grandkid is extraordinary. It has nothing to do with Sanders grandkids.
beedle
(1,235 posts)yeah, that's a real 'funny' joke.
Almost as good as "you're likable enough" .... anyone have the ability to start a pole? See which 'joke' people think is funniest?
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Doing all of this while dealing with her mother's death from cancer.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Everybody thinks their grandkid is more extraordinary than everybody's else.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)I just object vociferously to any implication that adopted children are not really your children.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)btw, my comment was not meant in a serious way but as a joke about grandparents who brag about their grandkid being the best. which is what the clinton comment was about.
had nothing to do with adopted or blood relations.
senz
(11,945 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)The thing that struck me was the comment about about how "we going to do everything we can to give her opportunities." That shouldn't be difficult. I'm sure many, many people without millions upon millions of dollars of wealth wish they could do more to give their children and/or grandchildren opportunities. Heck, I'm sure that the many, many people who have permanently lost gainful employment as a result of those trade agreements wish they could do more too. Hillary Clinton is incorrigible and always has been.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sidney "Vicious" Blumenthal has a long and awful reputation.
David Brock. The meanest of the mean.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)said like a true republican.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)My old man had a ninth grade education. My mom was placed in Rapid Advance and graduated high school at 15. Rather than go on to college where anybody with a 151 I Q belongs she took a job as a bookkeeper to help support her mom who was widowed when she was nine months old and her younger brother.
Instead of doing everything they could to give me opportunities perhaps they should have just left me at a fire station immediately after birth.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Praise Nancy.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)I'm just surprised so many people failed to pick up on it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)When speaking, he makes no distinction whatever between Jane's kids and his one biological child. This is to his great credit. I have no idea what kind of person craps on something like that.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Joe Biden Foot in Mouth Award.
cali
(114,904 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)This thread is really jumping the shark. Hillary wasn't even talking about Bernie's grandkids. (Your "quoted phrase" in the title is misleading, by the way, since she did not use words of that kind, and did not even mention Bernie's grandkids). It's a proud-grandmother joke, that's all.
I know you folks hate Hillary, but this is really stretching things.
Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy.
beedle
(1,235 posts)you mean like when Obama joked "you're likable enough" ... good point, I'll take Hillary's joke as lightheartedly as Hillary and her fans took Obama's joke.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I was an Obama supporter in 2008, and not even I liked his little "joke," since it was more like a jab. It was also obviously directed AT her. Hilary's little joke about how everyone thinks they have the greatest grandchild in the world, but she actually does, is not quite in the same league,: she was not even referring to Bernie's grandkids at all. It's the same kind of joke my own mother would make regarding her one and only grandchild.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)She's not talking about Sanders all the time.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)instead of being apologists.
Her reference couldn't have been more clear. So she even did the research to know which of Bernie's children (including the adopted ones) are parents. I guess if Bernie didn't treat Jane's kids from her previous marriage as his own and their kids as his grandkids she would be happier.
Hillary is a sorry excuse for a human being and she can't avoid showing it.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)You have to really WANT to be offended to see that kind of offense in that.
But these days, I guess CDS can be used to justify anything.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)So much for adopted children and unconventional families.
Yet another group thrown under the Hillary bus.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)But feel free to pretend ; it is all you have left while you wait for Bernie to officially lose.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)First of all, even the article which is from January does not say that. The author poses the question because Hillary talks about her grand-daughter..silly article. He is the quote.
"And I guess at the end of the day, for meyou know, people talk about their extraordinary grandchildren, but I actually have oneand were going to do everything we can to give her opportunities
"
GE is coming...and then we won't have such silly stuff posted about our candidate.
moriah
(8,311 posts)She refers to Chelsea's daughter as "extraordinary" later on because of being the granddaughter of a President (having a high privilege level along with the blessing/curse of spending her entire life at least somewhat in the public spotlight) and says it's not enough that her own grandchild(ren, if Chelsea ever has more) will have every opportunity, but that every child should have equal opportunity to suceed.
And I feel passionately that just because we had it in the past, doesnt mean were going to keep it in the future. You shouldnt have to be the granddaughter of a former president to have your American Dream realized. I think every kid should have a chance to live up to her god-given potential.
In the video.
People so often forget, especially when suggesting she is underqualified to be President, that she spoke in front of the Senate long before Bill's inauguration. She was an interim Carter appointment to the Legal Services Corporation, and then went through confirmation at the start of the next cycle.
It's actually really amazing to me how the attacks have evolved over the years. From the first major hit piece about her, alleging she was this bitchy greedy unfeminine power-tripping ultra-liberal sabotaging Bill and the DLC's "51% strategy", to the attacks against her now, it seems that "bitchy greedy unfeminine power-tripping" stuck.
In particular they criticize her support for children to have legal rights and for teens to be under the rebuttable presumption, particularly in child custody and abuse/neglect cases, of competency to testify at trials involving issues key to their core selves. But the article (shortlinked to not give American Spectator better Google ratings) is worth a read to see her quotes they found so objectionable.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)I've met many of these kinds of people who use this verbal conceit of ridiculing but then when accused will either say "just kidding" or that someone is overreacting to an innocent remark.
She knows damn well what she's doing with this remark, and only someone so entrenched in her infallibilty would disagree. It is without question the purest example of snark.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)what the OP says. It really is disgusting how anything Hillary says is used against her. It wasn't a shot at Bernie at all. She was explaining what a difference it has been in her own life and thinking to actually have a grand child.
How much more disgusting can folks get?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Labor Day cannot get here fast enough.....
Zorra
(27,670 posts)It appears that the title of the book is based on this old tribal adage:
"It takes a village to raise a child".
Seems she missed the point of the title of a book she (reputedly) authored.