Hillary Was Shoved Down Our Throats - Now We May Have To Accept President Trump

[Yallow]

No, really....

Hillary hasn't lost yet, and god I hope she doesn't, but she is tied with the absolute asshole scumbag Trump in recent polls. Insane. Is Hillary the best we can do? In my opinion she is the poster child of government corruption, and pay to play politics. The root of ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS.

Sure she (and the entire corrupt system) may have defeated Bernie, but really? Who really wins? The 1% of course. They always win, if you haven't noticed. That's half of Trumps gig.

My god this country is so screwed up.

"Regular Americans" may never have a chance.

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. And by "shoved down our throats", you mean a majority of Democrats voted for her. Right?

[Yallow]

9. A Picture Of Cattle Going To A Feed Lot

Comes to mind.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Of course it does.

[Codeine]

33. We're just dumb animals

but you're wise and thoughtful.

[annavictorious]

53. All animals are equal,

but some animals are more equal than others. That's why the Sanders animals think he's entitled to nomination he didn't win.

[scottie55]

73. We Paid Off All The Umpires So "We Win"

Sounds fair to me.

[apnu]

90. +1 for the George Orwell reference.

[SCantiGOP]

117. First response here sums it up

What alternative universe does one have to occupy to say that having 3 million + more votes is "shoving down our throats"?
I have contributed to, worked for and voted for Clinton this year. I will be proud to watch her inauguration next January.

[apnu]

120. I get you, but I was loving the Animal Farm reference.

I don't think Hillary is the facist devil percent people make her out to be. It de-humanizes her, progressive should know better.

[puffy socks]

52. What's really funny

Is that you don't realize you're one of the cows

[anigbrowl]

94. So basically only your opinion counts and those who don't share it are mindless cattle

Because your opinion is the only possible correct one, right?

This is why I don't care for 'progressives.' the notion that there's only one right way to think about something is actually fundamentally conservative.

[jehop61]

11. Thank you

But at least some of them are closer to accepting her nomination.

[global1]

14. Yes - In The States That She Won.....

she didn't win all the states she ran in and the GE really is the test - when all Democrats across the country have a chance to vote. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. Well ... That's pretty much hopw it works ...

she won a majority of the states, and votes in those states that she ran in ... which would mean she wasn't "shoved down" anyone's throat.

[Yallow]

19. The Entire Establishment Was Shilling For Her - Along With The Media

From the super delegates to the DNC.

The entire corrupt system was pushing her, and helping her every step of the way.

They will all need paid back, with my family's future.

Sure, she may have "won" if you call that winning.

[mindwalker_i]

23. ^^^ This ^^^

"More dems voted for her," does not accurately illustrate the whole situation. For example, it doesn't illustrate that the DNC not only tipped the scales but plopped its fat ass on them.

Regardless, there is a very real possibility that Trump can beat Hillary, so the argument can be made (and has) that selecting Hillary is stupid. You then have to either accept that the majority of democrats are stupid and/or that tipping the scales happened. Reality is probably somewhere in between these two.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. Okay. I pledged this morning to watch for the signs ...

so that I could avoid useless back and forths ... this post (#19) is a screaming sign.

Good Day.

[Yallow]

28. You Mean You Intend To Ignore Reality?

No harm intended.

Just pointing out the obvious.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. No ... Just you as you do not represent reality ...

Or rather, the reality that most Democrats recognize.

[Yallow]

41. I Recognize Bernie Stomps Trump In Every Poll

By a HUUUUGE margin.

But who am I.....

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. But Bernie is not winning the Democratic Primaries, i.e., the vote of the Democrats that have voted

and, and therefore, those polls are unless ... for a number of reasons, not the least of which being, Bernie has had close to zero gop attention.

[Cal33]

84. How about the election irregularities that occurred in Arizona and Ny? In

NYC the investigation is still going on. 2 highly placed election officials have already been
put on leave without pay.

Are the above a part of reality or pure fantasy?

[1StrongBlackMan]

85. It is a part of reality ...

The fantasy part is where it affected only Sanders' supporters.

[Cal33]

93. The Republicans prefer Hillary over Trump to win. After all, she is all for Wall Street.

In fact, the Republicans are trying their best to have one of their own to start
a Third Party, in order to weaken Trump, but there are no takers so far. This
shows how desperate they are.

Sanders is against Wall Street. The Repubs. don't like that at all. So, what
they're doing is helpful to Hillary and not to Bernie. Does this sound reasonable
to you?

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. Well ...

The Republicans prefer Hillary over Trump to win.

So do Democrats, most of the Left, and every sane American voter ... not to mention, most of the world's leaders.

Sanders is against Wall Street. The Repubs. don't like that at all. So, what
they're doing is helpful to Hillary and not to Bernie. Does this sound reasonable
to you?

It would if it were based in fact. Yes, Bernie opposes wall-street and the republicans don't like that. But, the republicans have been attacking HRC (for the past 20+ years); while, largely, ignoring Sanders.

[Cal33]

96. A year ago Bernie wasn't even known. I, too, knew very little about him. I

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was rooting for Elizabeth. When I became sure that she wasn't running, I started
reading up on Bernie, and became impressed. His political views were very similar
to mine -- his and those of Elizabeth. For me, he was a natural to switch to.

Well, within a short time after entering the presidential race, Bernie began to make
rapid progress, very rapid indeed, for an almost total unknown. The main stream
media rarely ever mentioned a word about him. They avoided him like the
plague. And the Republicans didn't attack him either. Their reason is simple
to see. Why should they give him publicity? Making him known to more people
was the last thing on their minds. He was already dangerous enough. In fact,
they did the opposite, they tried to suppress him wherever possible. The DNC
did the same thing. Example: Just look at DWS's scheduling of the Dem. Primary
Presidential Debates.

Does this give you another point of view to really think about re why they attack
only Hillary, and not Bernie? Hillary became a known entity when she became
First Lady in 1993. Whether or not the Republicans liked it, there was nothing they
could do about it -- she has been a worldwide known figure since then. She also has
extremely heavy political baggage to tote around. Bernie does not. It would have
been quite stupid of the Republicans to give him more publicity, since his political
views are more different from theirs than Hillary's. To them he is more dangerous
than Hillary - should he win. So they kept quiet about him, and still do.

And they are right. If the Republicans had given him all the publicity by attacking
him, Bernie would have been way ahead of Hillary months ago. Just look at the
massive turnout of people whichever town he visits to make speeches. Can you
imagine what would have happened, if Bernie had been frequently seen on TV
over the past year?

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. No ...

And they are right. If the Republicans had given him all the publicity by attacking
him, Bernie would have been way ahead of Hillary months ago. Just look at the
massive turnout of people whichever town he visits to make speeches.

Never mind. Okay.

[LonePirate]

103. Do loyalty and long term commitments mean anything to you?

Much of what you consider to be the (Democratic) Establishment had a choice between a very well known and experienced candidate who had been a Democrat for decades and another candidate who was not as well known and not quite as experienced (on foreign affairs) who had been a Democrat for less than a year. If someone is a member of the Establishment, which of those two candidates are they going to back? The one with the most long term party support and identification. In other words, loyalty is the reason for their support.

Your claims of corruption and pay backs are completely absurd. Party loyalty and preferences for what they perceived as the most qualified candidate are why they backed her. If Clinton had not been in the race, you know who the Establishment would have preferred? O'Malley (or they would have pushed for Biden). The fact that Sanders has only been a Democrat for a year is probably the #1 reason why the Establishment did not back him. I guess it is easier to fall back onto corruption or other persecution driven nonsense instead of the simple reality of the matter.

[hellofromreddit]

17. US Pop 318M * Dems 43% = 137M. Hillary has ~12.5M votes.

"majority"

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Okay ... A Majority of those that voted in Democratic primaries.

[global1]

72. Only The Primaries That She Won.....nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. Which is a majority of the contests had. No?

[hellofromreddit]

110. The primaries haven't ended yet, so your claim is baseless.

It's a reasonable estimate at this point, but until we get to the end of the primaries it's not a reasonable claim

[1StrongBlackMan]

114. Yeah ... Okay.

[Cali_Democrat]

26. ..and how many votes does Bernie have? nt

[JTFrog]

44. Don't forget to multiply those votes by how much they really want him to win.

Then he is clearly winning.

[COLGATE4]

59. Yep. I see what's wrong - he didn't apply Bernie Math.

[pangaia]

55. The OP is NOT about Hillary vs Bernie.

That has nothing to do with it, in my opinion.

It is that Clinton was 'chosen' by "THEM" in the first place.

[hellofromreddit]

99. Nice deflection! Don't care.

[themaguffin]

43. It's the primaries, why would you bring up a non primary#? Are you that confused?

[yardwork]

24. I think she means that "those people" didn't vote the way they were told.

That was my impression, anyway.

[TalkingDog]

67. Sorry, that's not how primaries work. There is no popular vote.

The best you can say is that she is marginally ahead in pledged delegates.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Hillary-and-Her-Surrogates-by-Rob-Kall-Hillary-Clinton_Popular-Vote_Surrogates-160511-219.html

[franannjo]

70. horseshit.

If you mean the dem.establishment, hillary and her ilk have so far sucessfully sabotaged and supressed the true majority of voters and votes, you would at least come across as honest.a quality not respected by anybody on hillarys side.

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. Okay.

[AgerolanAmerican]

82. in a super sketchy "election" where the referee was rabidly partisan on her behalf

This primary season has revealed that the current system is an absolute disaster.

That the DNC can set the rules and at the same time be all-in-the-tank for one particular candidate...

That massive election irregularities occur in state after state...

That "superdelegates" - including lobbyists - each have the power of tens of thousands of regular voters...

and a million other problems, it seems

It's a complete embarrassment. If we're Democrats it's long past time we put forth some credible version of democracy at least in our own primaries!

[Peace Patriot]

107. Ahem, I'm a Californian and this. primary. is. not. over!

We had 850,000 new voter registrations in California in the first three months of the year, and there will likely one million or more by the registration deadline May 23. The biggest surge is in young voters (150+% increase). Most of the new registrations are Democrats. This is not Clinton, dears! A million people don't register to vote for ho-hum Hillary. THIS IS BERNIE!

Get used to it! Feel "the Math"! Stick a fork in her, she's done!

Go play with your unicorns and ponies, and better do it soon, cuz we're taking your dream-toys away from you and giving them to poor kids, on June 7.

http://capitolweekly.net/ca120-voter-surge-now-california/

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. I didn't say the primary was over ...

I said ... well ... this:

Get used to it! Feel "the Math"! Stick a fork in her, she's done!

Go play with your unicorns and ponies, and better do it soon, cuz we're taking your dream-toys away from you and giving them to poor kids, on June 7.

Tells me whatever I write will be for naught.

[fleur-de-lisa]

2. K&R

She is totally corrupt and we are fucked whether we get Hillary or Tiny Hands.

[Thinkingabout]

3. What do you think would change a Trump presidency? A Trump presidency depends on

voters getting out and voting for the DNC nominee, all the naysayers, not going to vote, write in etc may just be the cause of a Trump presidency.

[beachbumbob]

4. Landslide is coming for Hillary over conservatives...hate to break it to all

[pinebox]

5. Wrong, here's reality. She has no memomentum

Trump does.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN0Y21TN

[mooseprime]

20. i think we've been shown

that math only applies when it supports one point of view; other numbers are delusion. i feel like clinton should win, ergo, she wins.

[pinebox]

21. Pretty much.

[JTFrog]

45. Yea, kind of like this:

[themaguffin]

39. Romney surged now in the last cycle. Are you new to politics??

[Tarc]

77. Oh yes, we always forget that under #berniemath, candidates get +10 momentum points

[Vincardog]

86. Hillary over conservatives? Ha Ha she is a neo-conservative.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. How did the 1% fare in Hitler's Germany? While Trump is far more of a dullard than the Fuhrer, he's

trying to ride the same wave to power.

[NewImproved Deal]

7. The Former First Lady is a horrible choice. The worst Dem candidate in decades...

Counting on the awfulness of Trump is a doomed strategy...

[Triana]

8. YEP. We're SCREWED.

Nevermind the sneering condescension of her supporters here. WE. ARE. F*CKED.

[Beacool]

10. Shoved down our throats???

Oh, you mean that there were primary elections and more Democrats voted for Hillary than for the Independent senator who decided to run as a Democrat after decades of criticizing the party?

Hillary has the credentials, gravitas and a workable agenda to be an effective president.

Trump is a buffoon, hopefully people are smart enough not to elect the narcissist. The man is unfit for the job.

[Yallow]

16. They Said The Same Thing About Bush

And look what he did.

As far as her "agenda" is concerned she has a lot of favors to pay back.

The funders will get theirs long before us working stiffs see anything.

As always.

Hillary is not the wicked witch of the west, but she owes a lot of powerful people favors for supporting her (billionaires and politicians) and they will have to be paid back with our futures. That's how Washington works in case you haven't noticed.

We could have invaded Iraq with the army of lobbyists demanding favors (and getting them). They easily outnumbered Saddam's troops.

We are an Oligarchy, and Hillary never seems to mention this fact.

Game over.


"The Transformation of American Democracy to Oligarchy"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akbar-ganji/the-transformation-of-ame_1_b_7945040.html

Robert Reich: America Is Now a Full-Scale Oligarchy
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/robert-reich-america-now-full-scale-oligarchy

[pangaia]

58. +3,5496,603,06

"They" have no idea what you mean by Clinton being 'shoved down out throats."

They think it is all about Clinton vs Sanders.

No clue!! "Their" brains are addled like a smoke-filled niche.

[Lizzie Poppet]

30. Credentials? Rubbish.

8 years in the Senate as a largely-invisible backbencher and an absolutely dreadful stint as SecState. Big fat hairy deal...

[pangaia]

57. Yes, shoved down our throats.

She was chosen by "THEM". We were not supposed to have any choice. The fix was in from the beginning.
But, something happened on the way to the ice cream shop........

A person came along who is not running for ego, power, money, fame, but to help other human beings.

And THAT fucked up everything.
THEM are really, really pissed about that.

[Beacool]

105. That's nonsensical.

People went out and voted. In fact, Hillary has so far won the votes of more registered Democrats than Sanders.

It's not a dictatorship. People did have a choice, there were three candidates in the running and more people chose Hillary than the other two candidates.

Frankly, it didn't "fuck up" it that much, as he won't be the nominee.

[vi5]

68. "hopefully people are smart enough...."

Yeah, good luck banking on that. In an election. In the United States.

[tonyt53]

13. Uh, relax. it is early May. Lay off those polls under about Labor Day.

Oh, and lay off those sources of information that tell you she is a poster child for government corruption. What exact basis do you, or those sources, have to make such a statement? Pay to play politics? In case you aren't aware, the GOP is going to spend billions getting Trump elected. It will take billions from the Democratic Party side to offset their billions. The first battle, which is the general election in November, will make all of the other battles seem rather easy.

[Yallow]

18. Absolutely Right Tony - Where Do The Billions Come From?

People who will need to be paid back by the victors.

On both sides.

Thanks for making my point.

The people are ALWAYS last to be considered, and they are NOT happy.

Don't read this.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sadiq-samani/the-religion-of-hillary_b_9723464.html

[themaguffin]

27. Grow up. When you mature, Return.

[Yallow]

29. You Need An Extra Shovel?

At least I don't have to pretend.

[themaguffin]

34. Huh? Shovel for what? Pretend what? All you are doing is proving my point. You're immature.

[Lizzie Poppet]

32. Ah, more vacuous condescension from Camp Weathervane.

Bless your heart...

[themaguffin]

35. ...and your continue to prove my point. Go ahead, please proceed.

Bless your heart indeed. Next.

[Lizzie Poppet]

36. You had a point?

First time for everything, I s'pose...

Bye, Felicia.

[themaguffin]

38. You are extemely immature and provide no substance.

I can see why you throw tantrums and then run off...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. She accused people of being condescending while being condescending.

[Phlem]

87. At least I'm not completely ignorant whilst calling everyone else immature.

Here's the reasons I would rather vote Bernie than Hillary.

Well there's the lying:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x109944

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/25/hillary-clinton/video-shows-tarmac-welcome-no-snipers/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/fact-checking-2016-democratic-presidential-candida/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=355426

There her IRAQ war vote:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

There's the fact that she's moved right:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html

How about the Corporate friendly nominee's donors.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/07/facebook-posts/meme-says-hillary-clintons-top-donors-are-banks-an/

Here's one fact about Bernie:

http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2016/apr/19/bernie-sanders-has-never-felt-burn-politifacts-pan/

There's a whole lot more where that came from, but I'm done doing your homework for you.

Refute it.

Or are you just going to call me names?

[Phlem]

91. From a YUUUUGE Hillary fan. Is he immature?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm

In fact, the documents released today show a meeting that Hillary chaired at the White House on November 10, 1993 where she promoted the passage of NAFTA to 120 people. Reports are coming out in every news agency pointing out the contradictions between her stated positions since announcing her bid for the Presidency and everything before that.

One of the things you would expect of someone who really has good experience and judgment is that they can articulate a basic set of principles and positions on issues that they can run on and defend and that stay relatively static. I'm not saying you have to stick to them in the face of overwhelming evidence that one of your positions has been proven to be wrong, like George W. Bush does, even someone who has good experience and judgment occasionally changes their mind. That is not what we have with Hillary. Hillary gives a different opinion on the same subjects every couple of weeks depending on her audience and what she thinks it will net her. As evidence of this is now coming out and is going to be presented to the American people in the starkest terms, how can one be expected to trust her to do anything that she says she is going to do? How can one really know what she believes or intends to do about anything? The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee.

[CrowCityDem]

37. "The root of ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS"?

Seriously? You think that every problem we have was caused by 'government corruption'?

There's no room in there for mistakes, or for racism, or for sexism? Be real.

[Yallow]

40. Face It

Acceptance is the first step in recovery.

[CrowCityDem]

42. Face what? That comment is ridiculous.

[themaguffin]

47. It is ridiculous. I don't understand some here & the hyperbole & absolutes...

Not to mention entitlement....

[pinebox]

69. "Entitlement".....are you sure you're on the right site?

Standard RW talking point is standard....among Hillary supporters

[themaguffin]

115. Um, no. You are stuck on a script & didn't read what I wrote.

[Yallow]

48. Ever Heard Of "Follow The Money" ????

I can accept the fact that I am being screwed by my pay to play government, and the oligarchs they represent.

Can you?

[Yallow]

54. From Tax Free Corporations To Tax Havens For The Wealthy

And from corporate welfare to having the citizens pay for corporate externailzation of pollution etc.

There is no way we aren't being screwed.

Oh but you can go work on a line butchering chickens in diapers any day of the week. You can have a job!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

This iz Ammerika.

[GreatGazoo]

46. yes, a slow motion train wreck

Trump destroyed Jeb Bush in a few weeks. Jeb is the closest thing to Hillary that Trump has faced -- dynasty, legacy, experienced, connected, monied, favored by CW and MSM... Jeb Bush went down like a cheap card table in a Gallagher routine.

Those who favor Clinton admit that she cannot withstand even the smallest amounts of accurate criticism. THIS ad, Two Visions, sent them over the edge:

Does anyone think that Trump will go that easy on her?

[themaguffin]

49. The GE is not the GOP primary. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Please drop the straw man about "the smallest amount of criticism" - this thread wasn't started on that concept and you know it.

People need to grow up.

[Amaril]

62. You need to stop assuming......

.....that everyone who posts in support of Sanders / opposition of Clinton is a "millennial" who needs to "grow up".

We've come to expect condescension and snark from the Clinton camp, but you are over the top with it this morning. Stop talking down to people.

[themaguffin]

76. I made NO assumption. My response was based on actual comments. and BTW...

I'm not part of the "Clinton camp."

It's not about Bernie, Hillary, you or me. I care about Democrats winning to advance our policy goals.

[Art_from_Ark]

111. And what, exactly, are "our" policy goals?

Speaking as someone who has voted Democratic since the 1970s, my own policy goals align quite closely with those expressed by Bernie Sanders.

[GreatGazoo]

80. Want proof that Hill supporters lose their shit over the "smallest amount of criticism" ?

Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511948046#post49

Thanks for playing!

[EndElectoral]

51. If she wins the primary would be the single worst Dem. candidate I've ever been faced with in the GE

[Arugula Latte]

56. Hillary or Trump -- worst choice ever.

Well, at least in modern history.

[BootinUp]

60. I remember in 2008 I thought we were doomed too. nt

[MineralMan]

61. All that's needed is for people to turn out and vote for Hillary.

Simple. The alternative is Trump. How hard is that?

[trudyco]

63. It may not be the root of all problems

but it's the most important right now.

Two big things overshadow all racism, sexism, genderism, abortion, gun control etc:

1) Distribution of wealth and
2) Global warming (and the environment in general like introducing something catastrophic in the food chain)

And corruption is at the root of those two. Corruption and greed. Also, people keep claiming Hillary won or is winning the Democratic primary but Democrats aren't the majority of the GE and the exit polls/disenfranchisement tactics during the primaries are very, very disturbing. It's like Hillary watched the BFEE and took notes. Or somebody in her camp did.

The popularity of Bernie out of nowhere and with no help from DNC or MSM or big corporate/billionaire donors is encouraging. Even Donald Trump is encouraging. People on the other side get that there is something really rotten here but they are being manipulated into blaming the wrong people. The internet news is encouraging. I keep stumbling on one brave soul after another trying to get the news out. The people enduring lawsuits to try to expose the election fraud and vulnerable vote counting machines is encouraging. It just may be too little too late.

What really gets me is the greedy corporatists. Do they really think they can shield all their progeny with their wealth? They going to build bubbles around buildings like the Chinese did? Special bottled water and air and non GMO food? Special makeup and hair dyes that aren't harmful? Drugs that won't hurt them because they paid to have private studies done? They going to be able to buy their way out of any induced pandemics when the weather goes nuts? They going to buy their own bees to pollinate their own food? You can gate your community and hire guards to keep out the riff-raff but you can't gate your whole environment. The billionaires are ruining the world for us and their kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews... they can't put them in a bubble world. Why can't they see that? Or are they so uncaring, so single minded about making money that they don't care? It boggles me.

Distributing the wealth and protecting the Environment is good for EVERYBODY.
Hillary isn't going to get us there. She doesn't get it.

[GulfCoast66]

88. Your pet issues

Override racism, sexism, genderism, abortion, gun control etc to YOU.

Someone who is the victim of Racism, sexism etc would likely disagree with you.

And you showed us all why minorities and females do not support Bernie like white males. Progressives have thrown minorities under the bus in past eras.

You just showed us that you would do so again.

[JSup]

64. I hate it...

...when voters shove a candidate down my throat by voting for them.

In the future we should all ask our neighbors for permission before voting.

[randome]

65. So you'll 'accept' Trump but won't lift a finger for Clinton. You let the mask slip a little there.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[procon]

66. You don't sound like any "Regular American" I know.

If, as you say, Bernie has already been defeated, that makes Clinton the presumptive Democratic nominee. Stop wailing nonsense about it's the end of the world if Hillary is elected, it's not. The country has always been "screwed up", just ask your parents and your grandparents, so don't buy into today's overblown rhetoric. Recognize it for what it is, Republican propaganda intended to weaken our frontrunner. Stop enabling the GOP, and instead of trying to undermine the Democratic candidate who will actually be facing off against Trump, find some common ground.

If there's one thing that Bernie Sanders has accomplished, it's moving Hillary and the Democratic Party to the left. Yeah, I know, it's not a enough to meet your ideological purity test, but where there's movement, there's also change. Don't stop pushing -- politely and amicably, of course, because you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar -- all Democratic politicians to the left, but do learn which battles you can fight and actually win.

[dana_b]

71. baloney

"If there's one thing that Bernie Sanders has accomplished, it's moving Hillary and the Democratic Party to the left"

She will drop that act as soon as she is in the GE and IF she wins the WH, she will be saying "Bernie who??"
Let's not kid ourselves, she is a neocon through and through.

[procon]

83. There you have it, the toxic attitude of doom and gloom if you don't get your way.

I'm sure I don't know what you lot perceive to be the payoff to be when you drop off your little inflammatory taunts. You must know that you're being hostile and divisive, and for what? You don't get anything... oh, sure there's a few desultory huzzahs from the immortal Bernie fans, but you're becoming an anachronism, a footnote lost in history. That's the sad truth, in your heart of hearts, I suspect that you lash out because you already know that if Hillary wins, the whole country will be asking "Bernie who???".

[dana_b]

89. wow - I never insulted you or said ANY "inflammatory taunts"

you are the one who is being inflammatory and frankly rude.

Another one to add to the huge ignore list.

[apnu]

92. This is like DU 2008 all over again.

Except this time its not the establishment types moaning about losing, its the progressives on this site.

The sounds and statements are nearly identical. They're taking their and going home. Its part of the process. Right now, there are a lot of people on DU processing through denial and anger. They'll come to bargaining and acceptance soon enough. The PUMAs certainly did, no reason they won't too.

Or they'll stay home, some PUMAs did that too, but only a few. As they seethed in anger over Obama beating Hillary, they came to see the threat that was McCain and Palin and they came back. They knew, as Bernie people know, sitting at home is a vote for Republicans. In this case, sitting at home, undermining Hillary, or writing in something else, will be a vote for Trump. They'll deny it now and make lofty principled arguments against it, but they know, deep down, Hillary will be their only choice to stop Trump.

I've gone through my stages of grief, I'm past it. This Bernie supporter will vote for Hillary in November.

[mmonk]

79. Regular Americans have us. Eventually the tide will turn.

It's just bad that people have to suffer in the interim.

[KPN]

81. No kidding!

Some don't seem to mind though; afterall, they gobble up nearly everything the establishment and MSM shove down their throats, including the fairy tale about the two parties being diametrically opposed. What a hoot!

[Nye Bevan]

100. Well there's a nice gracious way of saying that your candidate won millions fewer votes,

and many less delegates.

[guillaumeb]

101. Some here take exception to your choice of words.

To wit, your title. They argue that HRC received more votes, and that is apparent. But the process is, I feel, what you are referring to.

Given that she ran in 2008, HRC was considered the obvious, or inevitable candidate. But other than a talent for making, and raising, massive amounts of money, there was no real up swell of voters demanding that HRC run. Instead, the 1% who spend the most money selected her by giving her massive amounts of money for speeches. Plus the corporate media is far more likely to publicize a corporate friendly candidate. Plus the Democratic Party establishment generally selects a corporate friendly candidate. The better to encourage corporate financial support.


Recommended.

[still_one]

102. I will be voting for Hillary in the California primary. Millions of people have already voted for

Hillary because they believe she is the most qualified candidate

Hillary was not forced down any of her supporters "throats"

Deal with it

[beaglelover]

109. Me too!!!!! Can't wait to vote for Hillary!!!!!!

[still_one]

112. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Triana]

104. Even Hillary herself says it's true - this, from an email:

Friend --

Everyone I know keeps asking me the same question: "He can't win, can he?"

News flash. He could.

In fact, there are a bunch of new polls out this week that have us in a dead heat with Donald Drumpf in the critical general election states of Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania.

Now, take public polls with a grain of salt, but it’s clear that this election is ACTUALLY going to be tight -- which means that if we start to get complacent, we're going to be looking at a Drumpf presidency.

[pansypoo53219]

106. the GNEWZ Media will make it so, for RATINGS. GWB part too.

[seabeyond]

113. Clinton kicked Sanders ass. The people spoke. You don't like it. Tough shit. Deal!

[muriel_volestrangler]

116. The recent polls:

Hillary Clinton leads Trump 42-38, with Libertarian Gary Johnson at 4% and
Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 2%. In a match up just between Clinton and
Trump, her lead expands to 47-41. That's because supporters of Johnson and
Stein would prefer her over Trump 36-18. Although there's been a lot of talk
about third party candidates drawing support away from Trump, they're actually
taking a little bit more from Clinton at this point.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_51016.pdf

Clinton 54%, Trump 41%:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/05/04/rel6b.-.2016.general.pdf

Trump 41%, Clinton 39% (16% other candidate)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39

Clinton 47%, Trump 40%

http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-gains-ground-on-clinton-but-both-have-sky-high-negatives/

So, no, she isn't "tied". The only one that's close is Rasmussen, with a rather unbelievable 16% 'other candidate'.

[Sheepshank]

118. Actually it Bernie being shoved down our collective throats

No matter how badly he is losing, the BS supporters just keep on pounding away that he still may/will win, regardless of the will of the majority of voters and a majority of the delegates.

[MineralMan]

119. What an unfortunate metaphor...

Go to the polling place and vote, or vote by mail if you can. Don't let anyone force anyone on you. You have the vote. In November, you will have a choice. Pick the better candidate. That's my advice.