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Fri May 13, 2016, 07:39 AM

 

New National Poll: Trump Surges into Virtual tie, Clinton Fades again

Gravis Marketing: Trump 46 Clinton 48, margin of error 2.5

http://www.oann.com/pollnational/


How does she go from a big double digit leads in every National poll to this?

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Reply New National Poll: Trump Surges into Virtual tie, Clinton Fades again (Original post)
coffeeAM May 2016 OP
dsc May 2016 #1
Joe the Revelator May 2016 #35
phleshdef May 2016 #40
coffeeAM May 2016 #50
phleshdef May 2016 #53
liberalnarb May 2016 #2
nc4bo May 2016 #16
ericson00 May 2016 #3
coffeeAM May 2016 #5
TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #7
Dawgs May 2016 #12
pengu May 2016 #14
Prism May 2016 #51
panader0 May 2016 #15
marmar May 2016 #21
Else You Are Mad May 2016 #28
Merryland May 2016 #4
One Black Sheep May 2016 #6
coffeeAM May 2016 #9
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JudyM May 2016 #11
One Black Sheep May 2016 #13
gordianot May 2016 #8
Betty Karlson May 2016 #10
Dem2 May 2016 #17
coffeeAM May 2016 #20
Dem2 May 2016 #37
Arkansas Granny May 2016 #18
coffeeAM May 2016 #22
Arkansas Granny May 2016 #25
coffeeAM May 2016 #29
Arkansas Granny May 2016 #30
Autumn May 2016 #38
Arkansas Granny May 2016 #39
Autumn May 2016 #41
Arkansas Granny May 2016 #42
Autumn May 2016 #43
coffeeAM May 2016 #45
TDale313 May 2016 #23
BootinUp May 2016 #19
runaway hero May 2016 #34
BootinUp May 2016 #36
coffeeAM May 2016 #46
BootinUp May 2016 #48
runaway hero May 2016 #55
Autumn May 2016 #44
Tarc May 2016 #24
imagine2015 May 2016 #26
coffeeAM May 2016 #27
runaway hero May 2016 #32
coffeeAM May 2016 #47
runaway hero May 2016 #31
EndElectoral May 2016 #33
Katashi_itto May 2016 #49
highprincipleswork May 2016 #52
CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #54
Jitter65 May 2016 #56
Mnpaul May 2016 #57

Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:40 AM

1. Gravis

Enough said

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Response to dsc (Reply #1)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:42 AM

35. No, attacking every bad poll is not 'enough said'

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #35)

Fri May 13, 2016, 09:20 AM

40. Gravis is a poorly rated poll though for sure.

Its got like a C at 538.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #40)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:40 AM

50. 538 has gone down the toilet this election cycle.

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #50)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:02 PM

53. Gravis has been in the toilet every election cycle.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:40 AM

2. WE. ARE. FUCKED.

 

Period.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #2)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:57 AM

16. Affirmative. nt

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:42 AM

3. thats because the malcontents keep Bernie from dropping out and letting Hillary pivot

 

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:43 AM

5. Bernie drop out? Maybe these polls show it is time for Clinton to drop out since she is unelectable!

 

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:44 AM

7. .....or vice-versa.

She can go it alone. (or so we are told)

Keep calling us names - it really makes me less willing to ever support her.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:52 AM

12. Sure. It's Bernie's fault that Hillary can barely compete with an idiot.

 

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:53 AM

14. By "Pivot" you mean take back every liberal sounding position she claimed to be for in the primary

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Response to pengu (Reply #14)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:43 AM

51. That's exactly what is meant

 

I think it's hilarious how many people on this board are all, "primary's over! Can we just let Hillary be a Republican now?!"

Jesus.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:56 AM

15. It's all because of some mean people on DU.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:15 AM

21. Right, it's Bernie's fault that Hillary's unfavorables are so high.





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Response to ericson00 (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:26 AM

28. You mean...

So she can pivot to the center right? If she does that, she is guaranteed to lose to Trump because she will lose every Sanders supporter that she has won over in the last few months and quite a few of her own long time progressive supporters. She needs to pivot left in order to win.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:42 AM

4. How does she go from a big lead to this?

By being herself. Charming, honest, down-to-earth.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:44 AM

6. Not a good trend for Hillary

I guess it will be time to start panicking when the national polls show her down by 10 points to Trump by late summer, but by then it will be too late…

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #6)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:48 AM

9. The trewnd is showing down by ten is coming within a month!

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #9)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:49 AM

11. ?

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #9)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:53 AM

13. Wouldn't surprise me

even worse than my prediction…

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:45 AM

8. Both are disliked by large segments within their respective parties.

It comes down to who do you hate the least.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:49 AM

10. Superdelegates: do your job and ditch the impending GE disaster!

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:02 AM

17. Gravis shows Hillary up 51-49?

I'll take a right-wing pollster saying this. Also why aren't you touting the Rasmussen right-wing poll that had Trump up 2 weeks ago?

This place promotes right-wing stuff, it's funny.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #17)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:12 AM

20. The results are similar to left leaning ppp

 

PPD a democratic leaning polling firm has the Clinton lead fading to 6 points

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_51016.pdf

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #20)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:48 AM

37. OK?

So are you here to tout Trump?

How is this helpful?

Please explain...

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:07 AM

18. How much of a lead do you think Bernie would have after sustained right wing attacks?

I don't think he'd be looking any better.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #18)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:15 AM

22. Clinton backers said the same thing about Obama in 08,

 

Difference is, like Bernie he was loved by the majority of people, not hated.

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #22)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:21 AM

25. But the majority of the primary voters seem to love Clinton. She leads by over 3,000,000 votes.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #25)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:33 AM

29. Your living in the Democratic primary bubble where most of the country is locked out from voting.

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #29)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:36 AM

30. Most of the country? Or just those who didn't register as Democrats?

It seems to me that registered Democrats should be the people who determine the Democratic candidate.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #30)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:50 AM

38. What you are saying is Independents and Unaffiliated voters should sit in the

back of the bus and keep their mouths shut until you need or want their vote. I don't know about you but my primary and GE votes are a package deal and I don't go where I'm not wanted. Good luck.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #38)

Fri May 13, 2016, 09:07 AM

39. What I'm saying is that Bernie decided to become a Democrat so he could run in the Presidential

primaries. The rules for the primary elections are set by the various states and they vary from state to state. The political parties decide how they assign delegates to their conventions based on the outcome.

No one is saying that you can't or shouldn't vote or that you have to keep your mouth shut. However, the rules are there and have been in place for a long time. If they need to be amended, it has to be done at the state level.

There's a lot of good info here: http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/09/who-controls-primary-elections-and-who-gets-to-vote/

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #39)

Fri May 13, 2016, 09:35 AM

41. " It seems to me that registered Democrats should be the people who determine the

Democratic candidate." That was exactly what you said. Clear as a bell. And if we have no voice in who the nominee is I see no reason to vote for the nominee you select. You and DWS are saying that we shouldn't be allowed to vote to determine who the democratic nominee is that we will eventually vote for. That is saying we should keep our mouths shut and vote for whomever you decide to allow us to vote for. Walk it back and parse it all you want, that is what you are saying. Your candidate and the members in your party don't need or want Independents, we have no right to have our voice heard. I don't ever remember that being so blatantly thrown in the face of democratic voters who are not registered in your party. It won't shock me at all if you get your way and Independents don't show up for her in the GE. This has been the most eye opening election of my entire life, you people really opened the curtains on this one.

Bernie has always caucused with the democrats in the Senate, he has been a staunch political ally to the democrats but because he had the nerve to run against a severely flawed centrist you people treat him like dirt, and his supporters.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #41)

Fri May 13, 2016, 09:53 AM

42. And I stand by that statement.

If you want to have a voice in choosing the Democratic nominee, register as a Democrat. With open primaries, we have a situation like the one in West Virginia where 39% of those who voted for Bernie plan to vote Trump in the GE.

Donald Trump Supporters Boost Bernie Sanders in West Virginia
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-supporters-boost-bernie-sanders-west-virginia-n571791



I didn't make the rules and they were established long before Bernie decided to enter the nomination process. Bernie apparently understood the process which is why he became a Democrat in order to run. I don't know how to respond to people who didn't educate themselves about their individual state primary rules.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #42)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:15 AM

43. I left the democratic party after over 40 years a dem, re registered to caucus for Bernie.

Left it the day after he won CO and after everything that has been said and done this primary I will never go back to the dem party. I am well educated as to my state primary rules having worked and volunteered for democrats and elections for years.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #30)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:36 AM

45. Ya lets make sure we lock out everyone else, so we can make sure the establishment dem always wins.

 

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #18)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:16 AM

23. Honestly, I believe he'd beat Trump.

He's a much better matchup- because he's talking about many of the same issues and taping into a widespread frustration with our broken system but offering positive approaches- not hate and scapegoating. And for years it's been the case that attacks on Bernie tend to backfire. People generally like and trust him. People who haven't been part of the process are drawn to him. He is the perfect antidote to Trump.

There is a strong antiestablishment mood in the country and we're on the path to nominating a very establishment candidate.

So she will probably get the nomination and may still win in November, but I am very confident Bernie would. The Redbaiting means nothing to people under 50. If anything Socialist has images of European Democracies that actually take care of their people.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:07 AM

19. Ignore the noise, look at the aggregate poll charts instead.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #19)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:41 AM

34. Gearing up for the weakest election in sometime.

What a shame.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #34)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:43 AM

36. I predict the opposite. She will ride the Obama coalition

to a massive victory over the disgusting Trump. And all the phony rw scandals will not matter.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #36)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:38 AM

46. Obama went is as one of the most likeable/electable candidates in history, not one of the least.

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Reply #46)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:39 AM

48. And 2012 proved it won't take that. nt

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #36)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

55. She wins

by plus 5. You talk the Obama coalition, the rest of America still matters.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:20 AM

24. Still with these tired memes?

Over polls that don't matter at the moment?

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Response to Tarc (Reply #24)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:23 AM

26. You're right. What people think doesn't matter.

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #24)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:23 AM

27. LOL, That is why every poll That had Clinton with a huge double digit lead over Trump

 

was posted the second it came off the press, now that she is dropping faster then a bag of bowling balls in the river, they just don't matter!

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Response to Tarc (Reply #24)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:40 AM

32. They mattered when she was +11 a month ago.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #32)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:38 AM

47. Bingo!

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:39 AM

31. Her likability.

It needs to be fixed. I don't care what they do but as long as 56 percent of America doesn't like Hillary (second only to Trump) then there will not be a blowout. And don't stop it at the end of the election either.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 08:41 AM

33. The Trend is unmistakeable and troubling

Let's assume she wins the nomination. We will be going into the GE where as yet she has not been seriously swiftboated as she will unquestionably be by the right.

If Kerry could be done in by some Vietnam lies as badly as he was, HRC is going to be attacked on (a) her foreign policy failures with Libya at the forefront, (b) her flip flops and my God they are numerous, (c) the Clinton foundation, (this will be hit hard), (d) the email scandal (and if there is an indictment, the election will be lost even if she is found innocent)

I can already see debates between Trump and HRC which will be nothing but attack after attack and little positives for a vision of America except slogans. Most of it will be strident and pushed.

What is really disturbing is she is this close to a madman in the polls, and trending downward. Wait until the PACs start getting behind the Donald, and the GOP machine swallows its pride and begins to back him for the sake of congressional control and the supreme court. Only a few moderate republicans might vote for HRC, but they really dislike her as much as Trump. If enough neo-conservatives endorse her because they love her foreign policy, then she will get some moderates, but I believe the GOP voters are also a bit war weary and are not as supportive of neo-conservative foreign policy as they were under the Bush regime. Bottom line, turnout will be muted which never helps Dems.

I beleive she will be the Dem nominee, but it will later be viewed as the biggest mistake the party has made in decades in nominating such a flawed candidate.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:40 AM

49. Terrible. Awful.

 

Munches Popcorn.

Will President Trump bring back Gladiatorial Games?

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 10:44 AM

52. if Hillary Clinton doesn't embrace Progressive party politics, we are doomed. The party will split,

 

and we will not be in the White House in November.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:06 PM

54. Mmm I love the smell of dough

 

Right about now the wood is being gathered for the oven, fresh tomatoes are being picked for the sauce. There is a lot to do.

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:21 PM

56. So placing Hillary's name second with a lead means Trump is going to beat her? nt

 

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Response to coffeeAM (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 12:23 PM

57. The MSM wants a horserace

and they will get it. It's all about the money. Thanks Bill.

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