Security concerns end Nevada Democrats' convention (AP)

[synergie]

There have been a lot of lies and accusations posted by the usual suspects, but here is what happened and why per the AP. BSers were behaving badly, and security shut them down, due to the unruliness of the crowd and the threats of violence. The paranoia and insistence that they're somehow being targeted sounds more like Tea Partiers than Progressives. No matter how high your "passion" is or how "emotional" or "angry" you're getting, this type of behavior is NOT ACCEPTABLE on this side of the aisle, nor is misrepresenting what it was.

The Nevada Democratic Convention turned into an unruly and unpredictable event, after tension with organizers led to some Bernie Sanders supporters throwing chairs and to security clearing the room, organizers said.

Friction between Bernie Sanders' supporters and state Democratic Party leaders had flared throughout the day on Saturday. The convention was scheduled to end by 7 p.m. and when it hadn't wrapped up by 10 p.m., authorities at the Paris Las Vegas casino informed party organizers they could no longer provide the security necessary to handle the crowd.

The hostilities began when Sanders supporters accused state party leaders of putting them at a disadvantage, and they objected to procedural votes to approve the rules of the event on Saturday. They also questioned a credentials committee's disqualification of 58 would-be Sanders delegates. State party officials said the would-be delegates didn't provide acceptable identification and did not meet the May 1 deadline to register as Democrats.
State party officials said some Clinton-supporting delegates were ruled ineligible too, although in lower numbers.

Some Sanders supporters upset with Saturday's proceedings protested against state party chairwoman, Roberta Lange, outside the Nevada State Democratic Party headquarters on Sunday. Her cellphone number was posted on social media and officials said Lange had received hundreds of phone calls and text messages, including death threats.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-05-15-US--DEM%202016-Nevada/id-c3b7ab9ad09a47ecae4ac614538a4915

[northernsouthern]

1. Oh hey yet another post lying about what happened.

Too bad all of the other posts actually posted the videos of what occured and not just tried to "correct the record".

[merrily]

7. Jury narrowly voted to leave.

Oh hey yet another post lying about what happened.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1970617

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The AP is lying? Rude, OTT and just abusive, please hide this disruptive and inappropriate post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 16, 2016, 01:43 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: FFS, alerter, claiming the AP got it wrong does not violate the TOS, even if the poster had not posted another source. If you disagree, discus, don't alert.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Even though the AP article is in agreement with the other news stories I've read about the incident, I think it's within the rules to say that the AP, and other sources as well, are lying. One can make up one's own mind who is right.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: As one of the delegates who was actually there the whole time, I can back up what the OP is saying. This response, in light of that, calling the OP a liar crossses the line. There is absolutely no need for that or the innuendo of negativity apparent in the posted image. Gross attacks on others like this serve only to diminish discourse rather than encouraging it. I'd hope we are better than that. Thank you.
- Stand and Fight
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[ReRe]

29. WTF is going on with that pic?

Is that just a made-up pic or is that an a actual pic at the Nevada convention?

[merrily]

35. Please ask the person who posted it.

From the bottom of my heart, I do not want to be rude. It's only that I post jury results whenever I can only because I believe in transparency. I rarely want to discuss things like the post that was juried, the jury results or how I voted. I'm sorry.

[ReRe]

42. No harm, no foul

It took me a while to get my mind around all this. Your name is the only one I recognized. I think the whole OP should have been taken down from the beginning.

[Hoyt]

53. I do not alert or hide posts. But, I think that photo above is photo-shopped and something should

be done to correct the image

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[George II]

68. Extremely photo shopped, and the poster has posted and run, that was the only on by him/her...

...in this discussion.

[George II]

69. Actually, I see why - northernsouthern has been PPRed, can't respond.

[JaneyVee]

12. Dont you feel vapid and shallow posting bullshit memes?

[merrily]

34. Um, you know we can see your posts, right?

[ReRe]

28. I don't know about anyone else...

...but this pic has a "jack boot" thing going on. Is it just the black and white? I don't think it would be any better if it was in color.

[ReRe]

43. Would you mind explaining...

... your picture? Does it depict your take on what happened Sat night at the Nevada Democratic Convention from a Bernie supporters POV? You totally lost me. Thanks.

[Hoyt]

52. Did you photoshop that image to show Clinton like that?

[highprincipleswork]

3. The Whole World is Watching, and if it isn't, it should be. Take a look at the videos on this link,

everybody, including Hillary supporters, and tell me if you think this is what democracy looks like.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/nevada-democratic-convention-what-happened-roberta-lange-delegates-election-fraud-videos-recount-denied/

[merrily]

8. Great. Post. I believe in creating illusions, but I don't believe in magic.

I used to think this primary was going to lead to damaging the Democratic Party. Now, I am starting to think it might lead to revolution. It may take years, but that may be the eventual outcome of this crap. You can't tell people they have a right to select those who represent them, then not let them. Well, you can, but you have to keep that curtain closed a lot more tightly than Democrats have been managing to do this cycle.

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[synergie]

16. They had to be registered as of May 1, and so many of you had been posting about

how you just joined for the primary and we're switching back, and some NV people were posting on Reddit that they carried this out. Of the people disqualified, were the ones who failed to respond and provide credentials, and did not even show up on Saturday.

Sorry, but the CTs being pushed are what led to the angry mob that required security to get involved, the officers were with the hotel and were needed due to the unruly mob, they hit the targets of the mob out of the room for safety.

It is on video, the blatant violence, anger and plain old thug like behavior of people who were just looking for a reason to become violent and ,manufactured one because they did not bother to learn the rules or what was going on.

Yes, we know that the BSers have released her personal information and the harassment and the death threats have begun. That you think resorting to violence and intimidation is something to be endorsed speaks volumes.

You guys keep doing these things on video, and accounts with personal info attached, and you will be held accountable for these terror tactics, as you well should be.

[synergie]

23. Of truth and facts that expose the lies of the ignorant masses who felt violence was the way to go

when they didn't get their way, after they failed to show up or follow the rules?

It is on record, the violence, the death threats, the harassment, the conspiracy theories that are full of absolute BS. Go for it, legal action is where you guys fall on your face, remember how datagate was a legal action, til you were outed as the ONLY ones committing illegal ones?

I see you spewing terms like "manufacturing consent" and I realize that you don't seem to be know what words mean. Sorry, but truth and facts don't require anyone to sell them or anyone to buy them, they are what they are.

You are the ones engaged in ratfuckery, and it's blatantly obvious that some of you don't even realize what is going on.

Thus far, the police on the scene dealing with the idiots who are leaving death threats have a legal record of where the violence is coming from, and ignoring the Berniebers who have been arrested thus far for violent threats, is a questionable tactic, but what one can expect from angry people for whom truth, reality and civility is simply too difficult.

Keep frothing on, and denying reality, the sheer number of instances of this type of mob behavior tells its own story of exactly where the BS is coming from, and it's form the camp those letters describe in so many ways.

I'm sorry you have so much trouble with facts, and that you are in denial of what's actually on record.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. This is true or it isn't.

Some Sanders supporters upset with Saturday's proceedings protested against state party chairwoman, Roberta Lange, outside the Nevada State Democratic Party headquarters on Sunday. Her cellphone number was posted on social media and officials said Lange had received hundreds of phone calls and text messages, including death threats.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2016-05-15-US--DEM%202016-Nevada/id-c3b7ab9ad09a47ecae4ac614538a4915

[catnhatnh]

13. Real newsy

But I notice there are two sentences. Both could be either true or false but nowhere is it stated the two are related.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I take death threats seriously. Your mileage may vary.

[synergie]

17. They seem to think this is a good thing and have been engaging in it for months now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. It won't be a good thing if someone gets hurt.

[.99center]

33. Outside agitators are responsible for every election Bernie has won according to some here

No way in hell they would figure out how to use a cell phone though. "Some Sanders supporters upset with Saturday's proceedings protested against state party chairwoman, Roberta Lange, outside the Nevada State Democratic Party headquarters on Sunday." That part is true, are you against our right to peacefully protest?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I am against the issuance of death threats

".... are you against our right to peacefully protest?

I am a against the issuance of death threats:

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange


You ?

[.99center]

46. You just posted a link that contains a private citizens

Phone number, that hasn't been proved to be anything other than a random number left by some random asshole. Obviously you really don't give a shit about death threats and harassment. You and a lot of other hillary supporters here, are now perpetrating harassment and god knows what else against whoever owns that number.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. That number is in the public domain. It is an attachment to a letter from the counsel ...

That number is in the public domain. It is an attachment to a letter from the counsel for the Nevada Democratic party.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention


In fact they played some of the more ominous messages on MSNBC.


Save your words. I am not cowed by bullies, online or offline. I know that fact irks some people. I couldn't care less.

[.99center]

49. It's ok as long as the orders to bully and harass come from your leadership?

Them imbecile's put it in public domain, after someone tweeted it. Are you condemning the actions of the counsel for putting a private number out there in public domain for the intentions of harassment? It appears that your defending this action simply because they support Hillary.

The messages are complete filth, are you calling for retaliation, because it appears that way. I'm sure MSNBC had the common sense not to air the phone number.

Real character come's from sticking up for other people being bullied, no matter who they are. Not beating your chest, yelling I wont be bullied at every person who disagrees with you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Point by point

Them imbecile's put it in public domain, after someone tweeted it. .

Mrs. Lange is free to publish her phone records. When you call someone and threaten him or her you waive your right to privacy.

The messages are complete filth,

We're making progress.

are you calling for retaliation,

No. I believe in the rule of law.

[.99center]

55. The phone number that was posted here yesterday

Was not part of the call logs, it's a random phone number that one of the people making threats left on voicemail. It was plucked out of the recordings from a member of her campaign and posted on DU.

Random citizen's do not deserved to be harassed because of the thoughtless, irresponsible actions by member's of her campaign.

"No. I believe in the rule of law. "
As do I, and those people making death threats should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

[closeupready]

51. Par for the course, with her supporters, esp. here on DU.

[AtomicKitten]

5. The election tampering & voter suppression done on behalf of Clinton is documented.

[TheFarS1de]

24. It is little more than a farce .

[ReRe]

30. That is NOT...

... what democracy looks like!

[Jamaal510]

6. K&R

[dchill]

9. Take a look...

at the DNC/DLC behind the curtain.

[Cha]

10. Thank you for this, synergie!

[NastyRiffraff]

11. Thanks for this synergie

It's gone to the point where people's safety is at issue. I can sort of understand the frustration of delegates who were disqualified, even though they didn't meet the registration deadline, but the riots and threats of violence are unacceptable. There are ways to express yourself other than posting personal information resulting in death threats, for example. In NO circumstance is that acceptable.

I understand Philadelphia will have appropriate security in place. I certainly hope so! Some Sanders supporters have gone way over the top. Sorry, we don't need or want spoiled brats at a Democratic convention. Leave that to the other party.

[George II]

14. And that photograph of the security people surrounding the stage, likening it to ......

....Nazi Germany in the 1930s? The report is that they showed up AFTER the proceedings were over and the Sanders supporters refused to leave the room.

Funny how a certain group of supporters act like thugs and then compare the reaction to them thuggery.

[YouDig]

19. All the factual accounts of what happened in NV point to the same thing.

Hillary had more votes, and they followed the rules, which meant Hillary got more delegates. Then an angry mob of Bernie supporters started making threats and throwing chairs. And they stuck around after the convention was over and the casino had to kick them out.

Bernie needs to talk some sense into his supporters.

[bigtree]

20. k&r

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. Right. Whatever you do, don't watch the videos... you can't believe your lying eyes.

They have a well known Sanders bias.

[synergie]

37. The videos don't support the fiction being put out by the Sanders mob to explain their chair

throwing and aggression. Facts have a well known bias AGAINST the many tales that Sanders fans make up, it's why Sanders fans are so threatened by them and why reality is so very frightening, but don't bother to actually find out what happened, you can't believe your lying brain or the sequence of events or the truth about how many delegates actually failed to show up, facts are hard! So is showing up, registering or providing credentials when you're asked!

[frylock]

58. Is there a video of the chair throwing?

[synergie]

62. Perhaps you can find someone to read the security reprorts to you, since reading

seems to be an issue for you guys.

[frylock]

63. I'd gladly read them if you would link to them, oh kind sir or madam.

I was the best reader in my third-grade class!

[frylock]

65. Yeah.. no.

Not Ralston Reports. Gonna need a legit media source kplzthx. This is the guy who started the ball rolling on this shit show. The sole source of the chair-throwing story that he wasn't there to witness.

Has the hotel mentioned anything about what may or may not be on their CCTV? Have the police taken custody of the media in order to ID the assailants?

[winter is coming]

25. I've seen the actual videos. That article is a steaming pantload. n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

27. Hooray for Security!! We need to keep the Homeland safe!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

[synergie]

39. Well, the people the mob were threatening were not the "homeland" but yes, hooray for security

the kept the mob from harming people! Your Franklin quote doesn't apply here, no essential liberty was given up, just essential thuggery put to a stop before they could threaten anyone's essential liberty, health or safety.

Here's a more applicable one:

By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail. - Ben Franklin

You were out organized, and didn't prepare your delegates to understand or know the rules or SHOW UP, and thus you failed, and then showed just how out of control and violent you are when thwarted in your immediate needs. Yelling, screaming and acting out doesn't trump learning simple facts, it just points out how Trump like you are.

[oasis]

66. +1,000,000

[Hortensis]

67. +1000.

I'd say this one is on point: “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” ― Søren Kierkegaard

I wonder who really said that thing about how some people can be fooled all the time. Whatever, I now know that it is because they insist on it.

[MFM008]

31. waiting to see what happens

when Sanders drops out.

[synergie]

36. I hope they don't harm him or Jane. That's been a worry even if won, there is no way

he could have delivered on his promises, and he'd already primed them to be violent and agitated and encouraged ignorance about basic civics.

[frylock]

59. Bless your heart.

[synergie]

60. Well, aren't you special?

[frylock]

61. My ma would tell you that yes, I am.

[ReRe]

32. What we have here is...

...a battle for the soul of the Democratic Party.

[ucrdem]

38. No what we have is a complaint against the Sanders campaign for interfering with a state convention.

I don't think they'll be getting much airtime in Philly, at least during the proceedings.

p.s. it sounds pretty horrible: https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention#

[ReRe]

44. All I'm hearing is one side of the argument

Can you explain why there wasn't a parliamentarian there on Sat to be sure the meeting was conducted on the up and up? Or at least someone who could have given the Bernie supporters the right to their voice vote at the end of the meeting?

I am a Bernie supporter. I don't condone the violent actions of Bernie supporters OR Hillary supporters. But I don't condone leadership that seems biased toward a certain candidate, which seems to have happened now ever since this Primary started. From afar (I was NOT present Saturday), it appears that feelings have boiled over on the Bernie side. No one should have walked away from that place Saturday night mad about anything. There should have been a meeting of the minds, so to speak.

[DLCWIdem]

48. a eyewitness account

There is an account from a delegate who was there from 9 am to 11 pm on http://medium.com from mama Jean. She does not demonize Bernies supporters in her narrative. On the contrary she makes them out to be confused. If you are interested I could notget the exact link. But it starts out with I was a Clinton delegate... if you want tobe impartial maybe you should take a look at that it is pages long and very involved. What this delegate has to say was backef up by a Sanders supporter on reddit. I Will try to get that link it reinforces what she is saying...

[ReRe]

56. Thanks for your help. n/t

[synergie]

40. No, what we have here are people who don't bother to show up, stay Dems or

do their homework, acting like CONS when they don't get their way.


What we have here is an infestation of the Democratic party by people who are not Democrats, and who don't wish to be, but who wish to unleash their anger and hate upon the Democratic party that had welcomed them with open arms only to find themselves attacked by silly angry people who apparently have issues with reading and comprehending simple rules.

[ReRe]

45. Thanks for your input to my inquiries

Your views go both ways, you know. New (HRC) Dems look at the Old (BS) Dems with animosity, and the Old Dems look at the New Dems with animosity. Were the Bernie delegates given any rules/procedures in advance of the convention? Did they know they should have certain types of identification? Were the majority of the BS delegate candidates (58) Independent or Republican? Were they aware that they needed to change their party affiliation before May 1st if they were going to be a delegate at the convention?

If they showed up unaware of anything that was going to unfold, don't you see how things might start to unravel?

[d_legendary1]

54. How come there are no videos of these alleged chair throwings?

All we have is the words of the organizers (AKA Clinton Supporters) who have no evidence to back up their claims. People were angry, but not violent. This is as credible as the Capehart story that claimed Sanders was never a part of the Civil Rights protest.

[frylock]

57. Still not one single video of the riot.

Not one.