Why arent't Bernie's yuuuuge rallies.....

[Txbluedog]

Translating into votes? Any rational answers for this? He should have blown Hillary out of the water by now if all hus rally goers showed up to vote and yet he is behind by over 3 million votes. What gives?

[JDPriestly]

1. They are. Bernie won both Indiana and West Virginia.

He started out with next-to-no name recognition and now is well known across the country.

Bernie's campaign has been amazingly successful.

And Bernie is a good manager.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. In caucuses he has and in many states he has and California is yet to come.

Admit please that what he and his people accomplished you and I and just about everybody would have thought impossible a year ago
As much as I wanted this and have for a long time, (been a Bernie fan longer than most have known who he is) I didnt think it was possible.

[CrowCityDem]

8. He's a surprise, but not his success. There's enough hatred of Hillary that someone would benefit.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

12. But he didnt create that hate, he benefited but the hate was created by the GOP

over a 25 year campaign, it is used here by the dozens of GOP trolls that work here spreading it.

Among other places.

[timmymoff]

17. Admission is the start of addressing a problem

like your candidate. Thank you for finally admitting she is a fatally flawed candidate. We appreciate your honesty.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

20. the fatal flaw is those who wont vote for the democrat, many will die as a result

they will be personally responsible

[timmymoff]

27. Seems Hillary has quite a record of killing

don't she? Iraq, Syria, Libya, Honduras. Care to sell this myth of people dying by not voting Hillary some more? Or do you just intend on perpetuating the same tired tale of an apologist? It's truly your call.

[Shadowflash]

81. Wrong

It will be the fault of people who nominated a deeply flawed and untrustworthy candidate.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

83. You will be supporting Drumpf, SHAME on you

[Shadowflash]

85. Where did you get THAT idea?

He is even more flawed than she is.

It IS possible for BOTH choices to be unacceptable.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

86. So DRumpf it is, I see

[Shadowflash]

91. *sigh*

It's like talking to a brick wall.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

92. So DRumpf it is, I see

[CrowCityDem]

21. I said people hate her. Many are brainwashed by RW smears. Some by Bernie's smears.

[Txbluedog]

11. He won't win California

You need to admit that he has yuuuuge problems with the non-white vote

[Jackie Wilson Said]

15. He does and he deserves that problem. Not because he isnt a civil rights proponent, he is,

but because he went about it ALL wrong, still is.

[BlueCaliDem]

13. California will NOT vote for Bernie. We didn't go for the b.s. in 2010 and remained Democratic, even

adding seats to our Assembly and Senate - unlike other so-called 'liberal' States - and we elected a moderate Democrat as our governor.

After the disrespect shown by Sanders supporters against our beloved Senator Boxer, you think a socialist-disguised-as-a-Democrat-so-he-could-be-president; a man who can't inspire the African-American or Latino vote; a man who allows his followers to heckle one of our most beloved Democrats, will win from the battle-tested Democrat, Hillary Clinton?? In what universe?

[LonePirate]

64. A strong case could be made for Brown being the best governor in the country.

Of course, having a mostly cooperative legislature and a citizenry who prefers solving major problems instead of debating life's trivialities has also helped Brown. Still, he has a great record.

[BlueCaliDem]

66. I would make that case. Absolutely. Our Legislature is pretty progressive, and have kept him in line

when he wanted to veer off a bit to the dark side. He and Kamala Harris, the candidate running for Senator Boxer's seat now, have clashed a couple of times. She turned out to be more progressive than him.

However, Governor Brown listens to his legislature and is open to compromise. He doesn't march off angrily when he doesn't get his way. He listens, debates, and comes to a compromise that will help the State. That's what a president should do as well - be willing to work with the U.S. Congress (to a point) to get things done for the country, rather than staunchly stick to "his principles".

[bobbobbins01]

3. Voter suppression.

And other sorts of skullduggery.

[Txbluedog]

6. To the tune of 3 million plus votes

In in 20 states?

[bobbobbins01]

10. Yup.

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."

[Txbluedog]

14. So you has no basis in reality then

[bobbobbins01]

22. I don't expect you to believe it.

It is in your best interest not to. That doesn't make it any less true. Just look at the exit polls.

[BlueCaliDem]

16. Well, apparently you're trying your damnedest. Sorry. No sale. eom

[bobbobbins01]

23. I wouldn't want to sell to you anyway.

I run a clean business.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. And now you're having a temper-tantrum. So typical.

Still...no sale. And all that smearing the Democratic Party nominee (according to MATH) isn't going to help you or your little revolution.

[bobbobbins01]

29. I'm perfectly calm, but thanks.

Also, you suck at math.

[KingFlorez]

32. GUARDS!

[BlueCaliDem]

39. And you're having another self-inflicted conniption.

I truly feel sorry for you, being so angry all the time.

And my math only sucks to those who don't understand it.

Here's the bottom line: BERNIE HAS LOST. BIG TIME. Does that give you the sadz?

[bobbobbins01]

42. I'm still perfectly calm.

And I'm not the one using caps. You should chill out a bit, your blood pressure seems high. Maybe take a break and read a book, I suggest a math one. Start with the basics and work your way up.

[BlueCaliDem]

46. Sure you are. That's why you immediately came out swinging with your little gratuitous snarks. Caps

are used to SHOUT online, and that's exactly why I used them. They're not used to show anger. I'm sorry you fail to understand that. But that could explain why you don't understand MATH. You'd otherwise know that the faux-Dem LOST.

[bobbobbins01]

47. You keep shouting...and yet I'm calm.

You're all bluster and no bite.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. You keep closing your ears off, dear one, and come June 7th, I'll close mine off

when the loud wailing of loss rises from the Sanders campaign when Democrats give Hillary Clinton my State.

I have no need for bluster. I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter and SHE HAS WON.

[bobbobbins01]

56. You're so angry. Why do you yell so much?

Your posts are kind of disturbing. Wailing and gnashing of teeth...you are coming from a dark place

[BlueCaliDem]

63. And he keeps closing his ears off...also typical of a Sanders supporter. *sigh*

[bobbobbins01]

65. Now you're repeating yourself and talking in the wrong person.

Severe anger management issues, Tourettes like yelling, speech repetition, talking to imaginary people, loss of logic and math faculties. I'm not a doctor, but I'm sure if you see a specialist they'll help you through these difficult times.

[BlueCaliDem]

67. Aaaand...he keeps those ears closed... tsk tsk

[bobbobbins01]

69. Are you talking to your ring?

[BlueCaliDem]

70. Aaaaand...he keeps those ears firmly closed still...awww...

[livetohike]

4. He failed to convince them with his rhetoric that he is Presidential

material. They came,they saw, they voted - for Hillary.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. Exactly. Sanders, a faux-Democrat, hasn't been able to sell his brand to people who actually

follow politics and know how our gov't works. Only the idealists and clueless are so easily sold on his vision for a tyrannical utopia for the United States.

It's what I love about the African-American community: they see the snake oil for what it is.

[arcane1]

5. Seems to be getting votes to me. He'll have mine, and many others.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. And he's still lost. What does that tell you?

I'd rather vote for a winner who can actually get things done. I don't know about you, but I'm in no position to play "let's turn the U.S. into a giant experiment for socialism". I need my gov't to actually work for me. I can't afford to sit back and watch chaos happen with a lame-duck presidency for four years.

[CrowCityDem]

7. Because those are his only voters, most of the time!

[timmymoff]

24. So hillary is picking up the new voters?

She has peaked in performance, but never fear, she is seeking the gop donors now, in true democratic party fashion. Well, at least the Clinton brand of the democratic party (conservative wing) .

[CrowCityDem]

26. New, old, doesn't matter. She has MORE voters, and that's what counts. #FeelTheMath

[timmymoff]

30. More now and losing them daily. wooohoooo

she has peaked. she was never going to garner anymore than she already had. Bernie tried to help her, but she chose the gop and their money over us. Let the fruit rot on the vine.

[CrowCityDem]

33. Bernie helped her?? Since when is tarring someone help?

[timmymoff]

43. yes, by new voter registrtion

and by not bringing up her emails. And by not pointing out her real record. He's been really soft on her moreso than us in here. But hey, she's been vetted what could anything Bernie has to say possibly harm her? or are you really just whining and want both sides of the issue, like her? Weak my friend, weak.

[BlueCaliDem]

48. Bull. The "new" voter registration has a lot to do with new laws of automatic registration AND

nowhere did an article break down the voter registrations that show they're all Sanders followers. If you're talking about "independents" registering to vote for Sanders, then that's a weak position because they unregistered themselves immediately thereafter - which is what Republicans do after they try and muck up the Democratic Party nomination process, and which is why they didn't succeed at stealing NV for Sanders as they had hoped - hence the shouting at Senator Boxer last Saturday. Missed that, did you?

[timmymoff]

52. Nope I loved them giving back to her the tone she tried to set.

I thought it was great and well deserved, Someone of her position talking down to people showed how sad the Hillary campaign has become. she didn't enjoy the medicine she earned. Tough cookies. As far as registrations and Bernie owning the youth vote, I noticed you chose to ignore that. So enjoy the bed you made. he tried to help but many Hillary supporters have said they do not even want our vote, and many of us are likely to oblige them. You are earning this loss , enjoy.

[BlueCaliDem]

60. Senator Boxer is deeply loved in California. Those screamers at the Convention tried to shout her

down because she refuses to tow their line, and we Californians won't take kindly to that display of disrespect for one of the most liberal Senators, who stood with the CBC against G.W. Bush when they tried to ratify the (stolen) Ohio vote in 2004.

Heck, even poor but misguided Sanders-surrogate Nina Turner was 'booed' when she tried to gingerly ask that we unite. We can do without those bullies. Better they join the Tea Party where they'll be welcomed if they can't grow up and act like adults.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. Because in most states, attendees at the rally did not vote in a Democratic Primary.

[BlueCaliDem]

36. And they never intended on doing so. I'll be damned if I help elect a President Trump. eom

[Agnosticsherbet]

38. I feel exactly the same.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. Say hi to Dave for me!

[Eric J in MN]

19. The number of people who vote is much

...bigger than the number who attend rallies.

[djean111]

40. I have not used my ignore button yet, because this is so hilariously by-the-Brock.

And because it is wasted effort, doesn't work at DU, at all. Sorta like a fruit fly, little tiny buzzing around.

[Txbluedog]

45. If you read all my postings....

You will know I started on this site because of the lemmings that I have to work with who are so broke supporting Sanders that they have no money to eat, so stressed out over his results that they are failing classes and yet are continuing to contribute to the Sanders campaign under the false hope that he is going to win and somehow magically erase their student debts and give them free college

[djean111]

49. You sound a little like a frustrated authoritarian to me.

You should get some help with that. Seriously.
And barking and sniping at DU does not make Hillary look any better, I promise you.

Oh, and my 21 YO grandson supports Bernie and is fully aware that some of Bernie's agenda means higher taxes, and thinks it would be totally worth it. Others of his friends are riled up about the TPP. Perhaps talking directly to your friends and telling them that you disagree with their own personal choices would be more useful to you.

Unless you really think your little posts here will put a halt to Bernie's campaign and support? bwhahahaha! You need to aim lower.

[xloadiex]

57. uh huh

Maybe you could tell them where to go to get a job making some extra money.

[KingFlorez]

35. He just did not appeal to enough of the Democratic base to win

It's as simple as that. And when you factor in his refusal to do retail campaigning, you get an even clearer answer.

[timmymoff]

44. He appealed to 9 million +of them

Are you saying you don't want those votes. I'm sure we could accommodate those wishes if they are truly your wishes.

[KingFlorez]

50. There aren't enough angry Sanders supporters out there to have an impact

Just like Hillary is 44 didn't derail Obama, angry Sanders supporters won't derail Clinton.

[timmymoff]

55. Sanders supporters arent the only people she has to worry about not voting for her

so enjoy the bed you and her campaign have made. We tried to warn you. I'd say you better get busy selling the corporate queen to America, help is going to be a luxury.

[pdsimdars]

37. Where is that great post where the guy listed the votes.

For instance, did you know that Bernie won Washington state by 40% (70.6 percent to 29.2 percent)? And did you also know that he got ZERO votes added for that?
There were a number of states like that. He won by Yuuuuuge margins, and got ZERO votes. I think it was because they were caucuses.





This clearly shows where the enthusiasm is.


.

[Txbluedog]

41. Yes but why is WA's results not replicated in other states

[pdsimdars]

74. Don't get what you're saying.

I gave the only example I could remember but there were other states where Bernie got a huge win and no votes were given. I think it was becasue they were caucus states and the people didn't vote. But I think they should do something besides giving him no votes.
In any case, those totals aren't the rock solid concrete people think they are. I mean, look at those crowds. Bernie has the mojo.

[djean111]

76. The point of the OP is just to poke at Bernie's supporters.

Don't feed it.

[pdsimdars]

87. True, true.

It is amazing how many you have to ignore and still the nonsense gets through.

[Trust Buster]

51. Beer pong ?

[LAS14]

58. Obama explained it in his Correspondents' Dinner joke re Hillary.

ttp://www.vox.com/2016/5/1/11549570/obama-correspondents-dinner-joke

[global1]

59. I've Been Seeing Here For The Longest Time That Bernie Is Behind By Over 3 Million Votes.....

Though there have been other primaries run since the first time 3 million was mentioned - the 3 million number never seems to change. I'm wondering if this is just a bogus talking point or if it is a valid number.

I've never seen proof of this 3 million number here nor learn how this is computed. Can anyone provide where these three million votes have come from (states?)?

And isn't there a difference in the fact that caucuses have fewer participants - yet Bernie has won his fair share of caucuses?

[ContinentalOp]

72. Here you go

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

This doesn't include caucuses. I added up the caucuses on another thread and Bernie gets about an extra 200k lead from those, so it's really more like 2.9 million probably.

[Skwmom]

61. Do we feel confident that the votes are counted correctly? What about the people who had their

registration changed without their knowledge?

[Txbluedog]

62. Yes three million plus Bernie votes were not counted....lol

Do you need to change your tin fil hat every day or is it reusable

[whatchamacallit]

68. Of all the dumb memes

this one is the dumbest.

[Hiraeth]

71. Because DWS etal. has a stranglehold on the caucus/primary system.

[ContinentalOp]

73. The biggest rallies are in states with big populations.

The rally attendance is really nothing compared to the population of those areas.

30,000 people in Seattle = less than 1% of WA voters and only 18% of people who actually voted for him in the WA caucus.
30,000 in NYC = only 1% of registered Dems in New York City
30,000 in Sacramento = 6% of registered Dem in Sacramento county

You just have to put it in perspective. The big rallies make for good photo ops, but they don't mean much in big cities were millions of people live.

[Sunlei]

75. Are "Translating into votes". Hes not in single digits, is he? 30-40% won't win, but he can keep on

Unlike Republicans stage full! of contenders, Neither of our candidates are quitters.

[kaleckim]

77. Well, for one, independents

make up a larger share of the public, he does much, much better than she does with independents, and that group has largely been excluded from your party's voting process by design. It also seems that her corruption, center-right record, hawkish foreign policy and the chance that she can be indicted by the FBI are not problems with many in her party. If that's the case, and if Sanders is already going against the most powerful (and corrupt) Democratic family, with massive amounts of money, name recognition and establishment support, it's amazing he's gotten this far. He is trying to appeal to people that clearly don't share his values. He has because of his message and because of how horrible of a candidate she is. The fact that so many Democrats don't see the obvious says a lot about them and what their party has become. The general public supports him far more than Clinton and is more supportive of the most progressive candidate in the race than the Democratic Party. The left doesn't have a home with either of the two parties, and hasn't since HRC and her husband rose to power.

[Mike Nelson]

78. I'd go to a Bernie rally...

...Bernie's rallies look like fun! ...maybe a Trump rally... might be fun for the spectacle. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll get my vote.

[brush]

90. Seems that's why most people go to those rallies — for fun and to see what's up

Voting seems to be an after thought.

Those huge rallies, btw, cost big bucks, with the rental and security and clean-up and all.

That's where all the $27 donations go, besides Weaver's and Devine's retirement accounts.

[The_Casual_Observer]

79. He's had some well organized rallies. People are curious, I'd probably go if it were convienient

it doesn't mean that I would vote for him.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. Undemocratic closed primaries.

[Thinkingabout]

84. These same type of occurances happened to Ron Paul, I still have not seen a President Ron Paul.

It is a libertarian type drive, the groups traveled from place to place cheering Ron Paul and then when the date came to vote in the primaries, the large crowds did not show up. He is not the first to have really large crowds and not get elected. His agenda does not attract enough of the people who voted.

[jwirr]

88. To begin with you have to remember where Bernie started

out and where he is now. Most of the states he lost to her were lost by a very small margin. Iowa for instance was lost by 1 10th of a percent. And in many of them there were voting problems favoring Hillary that have been challenged by the Bernie campaign. Many of the ones he did win are by good sized margins.

What we are beginning to see in the conventions is another form of voting problems again favoring Hillary and not very legal as in NV.

[.99center]

89. "You guys are funny Just asked the question to gauge a response"

Are you going to admit to trolling us once again?
Your whole point of being here seems to be to disrupt and make fun of those silly liberals for participating in our Democracy, while seeing how many people supporting Hillary will post in agreement to your "Moderate" views.