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madamesilverspurs

(15,801 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:00 AM May 2016

NV Democrats file complaint against Sanders campaign to DNC

by Jon Ralston

The state Democratic Party has filed a stinging complaint with national Democrats over the "explosive situation" and "paranoid fantasy of fraud and delegate theft" created by Bernie Sanders supporters at Saturday's state convention, warning it could be a harbinger of what's to come in Philadelphia in July.

The key section from party lawyer Bradley Schrager to the DNC's Rules Committee: "We believe, unfortunately, that the tactics and behavior on display here in Nevada are harbingers of things to come as Democrats gather in Philadelphia in July for our National Convention. We write to alert you to what we perceive as the Sander Campaign’s penchant for extra-parliamentary behavior—indeed, actual violence—in place of democratic conduct in a convention setting, and furthermore what we can only describe as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats."

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read the rest, including the full text of the NSDP letter with attachments

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/nv-democrats-file-complaint-against-sanders-campaign-dnc

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NV Democrats file complaint against Sanders campaign to DNC (Original Post) madamesilverspurs May 2016 OP
the need for cover is great azurnoir May 2016 #1
Sanders has falsely accused time and again. With this? Silence. Why isnt he stepping in? He knows seabeyond May 2016 #2
It's all on video AgingAmerican May 2016 #106
Your post has nothing to do with what I said. seabeyond May 2016 #112
The cheating is on video. No video of the alleged 'violence' has emerged AgingAmerican May 2016 #114
Your interpretation of the video is cheating. No more or less. seabeyond May 2016 #116
Cheating, yes AgingAmerican May 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author SFnomad May 2016 #5
that's just her opinion. there are 7 billion people with opinions nt msongs May 2016 #9
This really doesn't read much like opinion azurnoir May 2016 #17
She is stating what happened AgingAmerican May 2016 #111
Oopsie. Narrative busted! winter is coming May 2016 #21
Sadly, no amount of over will help the truth about what the Sanders mob has become synergie May 2016 #48
and what really happened is getting reported in the media, and it reflects very poorly on the still_one May 2016 #61
And the people the mob attacked are not staying quiet this time. synergie May 2016 #64
Cheating reflects poorly on the DNC corrupt ways. bkkyosemite May 2016 #104
I'm not impressed kaleckim May 2016 #125
Don't you hope kaleckim May 2016 #128
But it's not on video Gavile May 2016 #118
Like Hitler claiming Poland attacked Germany. HooptieWagon May 2016 #3
why are you all of a sudden equating to holocaust. another poster called us good Germans. seabeyond May 2016 #24
That poster should either edit or self-delete for that comparison. still_one May 2016 #62
Not many with that kind of integrity left around here. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #102
So you admit that the Big Lie is being told by Bernie supporters (Bernie hasn't commented on synergie May 2016 #49
"Aggressive mob" kaleckim May 2016 #130
It's only propaganda when it reflects poorly upon Sanders. LanternWaste May 2016 #143
So this is how they do it. The way to put the brakes on the Sanders campaign. whatchamacallit May 2016 #4
The harassment and rude bully behavior of some Sanders fans is putting the breaks on Sanders riversedge May 2016 #31
Bull shit...you HRC's are biting at the bit on anything to get to Bernie bkkyosemite May 2016 #105
I agree, Sanders should figure out a less violent way to put the brakes on their own campaign synergie May 2016 #50
Violence? Mob action? Gavile May 2016 #54
Any FACTS available? elleng May 2016 #6
Did you read the text messages sent by Sanders fans? Attached to the letter in OP. Try riversedge May 2016 #32
I'm not interested in fans' text messages, elleng May 2016 #36
I'm not understanding the violence bigtree May 2016 #77
+1. This so does not look like how Democrats behave and to have so many dismiss or excuse is wrong. seabeyond May 2016 #78
Elleng, you might want to consider the Hortensis May 2016 #83
There were video cameras everywhere, along with cops AgingAmerican May 2016 #113
BS cheerleaders ... shameless n/t SFnomad May 2016 #7
"Paranoid fantasy". NAILED IT. JaneyVee May 2016 #8
Mahalo, Madamsilverspurs~ Cha May 2016 #10
Glad to see Democrats finally standing up to the bullying of these unhinged whackos Maru Kitteh May 2016 #11
+1 auntpurl May 2016 #47
That's kind of how they shot themselves in the foot. synergie May 2016 #51
Maru Kitteh—You’re welcome to your doubts. I believe Hillary and her campaign are right-wingers. CobaltBlue May 2016 #68
A most masterful employment of the Narcissism of Small Differences has been Maru Kitteh May 2016 #140
Maru Kitteh—There are plenty of differences. Here is something you may appreciate… CobaltBlue May 2016 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #12
Read the text messages sent by the Bernie fans-attached to the link in OP. This will NOT end riversedge May 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #37
You got it, elleng May 2016 #38
Good! LuvLoogie May 2016 #13
What in the complete fucking hell. onecaliberal May 2016 #14
Sanders needs apologize for the undemocratic, ugly behavior of his surrogates. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #15
Clinton needs to apologize for the child porn. MelungeonWoman May 2016 #22
If it happened, the FBI should be contacted. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #90
The Clinton kaleckim May 2016 #129
At an official Democratic event, I hold Sanders responsible for how surrogates act in his behalf. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #131
The people at the event kaleckim May 2016 #134
His silence is deafening. grossproffit May 2016 #25
Absolutely right. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #133
The only behavior Sanders needs to apologize for is his own Gavile May 2016 #55
LOL Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #91
bullshit! dana_b May 2016 #123
The Letter and the attached texts and voicemails. Absolute sabotage rbrnmw May 2016 #16
I stopped reading some of those vile Sanders fans texts. Horrible. riversedge May 2016 #41
How do you know they were sent by Sanders fans? Gavile May 2016 #56
they were his delegates at the State Convention rbrnmw May 2016 #87
I have to wonder if Sanders reads these texts?? riversedge May 2016 #45
I am grateful this is being addressed. barrow-wight May 2016 #18
Very good news. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #20
Amazing how you guys get away with this. oh ya, 85% of the board. seabeyond May 2016 #26
I know right? ibegurpard May 2016 #27
LOL. Blame it onto Brock when it was the Sanders fans doing the intimidation and harrassment!! riversedge May 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #35
ha ha. You say there were no intimidations at the convention? What about the vile yelling and riversedge May 2016 #42
If you're that easily "intimidated" by people raising their voices in disgust Gavile May 2016 #58
They were pissed about kaleckim May 2016 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #141
Sanders fans need to accept responsibility for their behavior instead of blaming Hillary. Grow up riversedge May 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #142
An obvious move. Entirely predictable. Entirely pathetic. What the leadership bjo59 May 2016 #23
Did you read the vile text messages sent by Sanders fans? Attched to letter. Ugly and beyond riversedge May 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #39
NYT: ‘Vicious’ Bernie Supporters Threaten Grandchild of Nevada Dem State Chair riversedge May 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #57
Good for them. That's excellent. Number23 May 2016 #28
Yes. ucrdem May 2016 #34
"Indeed, actual violence" .99center May 2016 #40
WTF!!! You say it was Boxer inciting the crowd!! What a STUPID thing to say. It was Sanders fans riversedge May 2016 #79
How many people in the room heard him yell Bitch? .99center May 2016 #136
Silly post. The man yelled ***ch at Sen. Boxer. It matters and trying to excuse it is WRONG riversedge May 2016 #137
It's really gotten out of hand. ucrdem May 2016 #44
Booing and chalk .99center May 2016 #52
Just a little prank, right? Wrong. It was far worse than we knew: ucrdem May 2016 #53
Thuggery? Give me a break .99center May 2016 #60
seems they want to change the rules to fit St Bernie, and ended up acting like a bunch of thugs Lil Missy May 2016 #59
kick and rec!!! still_one May 2016 #63
The DNC actually changed their own rules... BlueLouisville May 2016 #66
wrong obamanut2012 May 2016 #69
It's exactly what happened... BlueLouisville May 2016 #70
wrong. verified by a Sanders supporter on reddit DLCWIdem May 2016 #95
Do you people provide any real information BlueLouisville May 2016 #100
couldn't find the thread again with the link. but it doesn't make any diff you just scream Brock DLCWIdem May 2016 #108
And how about the Sanders supporters who were not even registered as Democrats? Lil Missy May 2016 #98
All of delegates were democrats... BlueLouisville May 2016 #99
It's not enough to just show up and say so. They had to REGISTER as Democrats. Lil Missy May 2016 #135
They were all registered democrats. BlueLouisville May 2016 #146
Good. Starry Messenger May 2016 #65
Good. The actions of some Sanders supporters need to be adresses Gothmog May 2016 #67
More gaslighting. GreatGazoo May 2016 #71
Perfect.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #84
Could someone publish the Sanders campaign's complaint, for comparative purposes? brooklynite May 2016 #72
K&R Thanks for sharing. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #73
big K&R! bigtree May 2016 #74
And the latest meme is born. blackspade May 2016 #75
funny how that works bigtree May 2016 #80
Not funny, tragic. blackspade May 2016 #82
Sanders is the longest serving legislator between them. bigtree May 2016 #85
"Squirrel!" blackspade May 2016 #96
"Blocked!" bigtree May 2016 #109
"Typical" blackspade May 2016 #120
Blaming The Victim - Instead Of Taking Responsibility - So Typical In Corrupt America Today cantbeserious May 2016 #76
Bingo! B Calm May 2016 #86
Just heard on KNX AM 1070 (greater Los Angeles area) that Bernie is "allowing R B Garr May 2016 #81
That is very sad-and dangerous!! I do hope no one gets hurt. This will not end for Sanders if riversedge May 2016 #88
That's a great point Renew Deal May 2016 #92
This is called setting the stage for a police state crackdown at the Democratic convention. imagine2015 May 2016 #89
All started by the behavior of Sanders fans riversedge May 2016 #94
Bernie's fault Bernie's fault Bernie's fault...such Bull shit. bkkyosemite May 2016 #107
the behavior was from the fans. They are responsible for their own behavior but Sanders as riversedge May 2016 #138
Exactly. snort May 2016 #119
totally agree n/t shanine May 2016 #139
Oh, so it was the BERNIE team that lined up all the brown-shirts ahead of the theft... NorthCarolina May 2016 #93
who needs to tattle to the Internet Police when they use the real thing against democracy? MisterP May 2016 #97
Who gives a fuck about the DNC? Buddyblazon May 2016 #101
Let's take it to court. Jester Messiah May 2016 #103
"NV Democrats cover up election fraud by blaming somebody else." bunchofpenguins May 2016 #110
I'm sure Roberta had nothing to do with this filing. snort May 2016 #115
The old term is 'Gaslighting' snort May 2016 #121
i wish people would get 1/10 as upset mooseprime May 2016 #122
Such important perspective. Great point. stillwaiting May 2016 #126
omfg... those assholes dana_b May 2016 #124
Good Bobbie Jo May 2016 #127
Excellent. nt Cali_Democrat May 2016 #144
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. Sanders has falsely accused time and again. With this? Silence. Why isnt he stepping in? He knows
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:04 AM
May 2016

Damn well his part and this is out of hand by his creation. I am glad to see Democrats address this.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
114. The cheating is on video. No video of the alleged 'violence' has emerged
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

Somehow magically that wasn't filmed, even though there were 50 cameras recording everything. The whole thing is an attempt by Hillary supporters to change the subject because they got caught cheating on video.

Response to azurnoir (Reply #1)

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. Oopsie. Narrative busted!
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:57 AM
May 2016

It will be interesting to see who persists in catapulting the propaganda in the face of this report.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
48. Sadly, no amount of over will help the truth about what the Sanders mob has become
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:51 AM
May 2016

and how little they seem to know or understand about the basics of participating in democracy, like SHOWING UP when you're supposed to.

So the true nature of the Sanders mob is once again caught on video, on voicemail and we see the violence that substitutes for any understanding of reality at play here.

Deflect all you want to, but the fact are that people didn't show up, the math wasn't in Bernie's favor and the mob got violent, AGAIN. You can't cover up what they did, or why.

still_one

(92,187 posts)
61. and what really happened is getting reported in the media, and it reflects very poorly on the
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:37 AM
May 2016

Sanders campaign

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
64. And the people the mob attacked are not staying quiet this time.
Tue May 17, 2016, 05:19 AM
May 2016

They're not shell shocked little kids and people walking out of rallies into a gauntlet of abuse, they're people who are making their voices heard, and the BSers are going out of their way to make the case that they're angry and violent and not very bright by making their death threats on traceable accounts.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
125. I'm not impressed
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

by this propaganda effort. What happened in Vegas looked horrible for the DNC, as well as Clinton, as it was undemocratic and authoritarian. Video emerged of how horrible this process was and what followed? The focus on chair throwing (which is an obvious lie, just as the "English only" was a lie, you people have no damn shame) and the death threats. Even those haven't been proven, although they are possible. This is all too obvious. If you didn't work hard to press this meme, you'd have to defend something you can't, the totally undemocratic nature of what actually happened in Vegas. I am done with this party and hope it implodes. I will enjoy watching it implode in the coming months, as you chose a horrible candidate that isn't liked or trusted and polls much worse than Sanders versus Trump. Keep this dying party, you deserve it.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
128. Don't you hope
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

that this meme works and that is the end result. Otherwise, you'd have to defend the horrible, authoritarian and undemocratic things the DNC and Clinton's supporters did in Vegas. If you didn't push this meme, you'd have to defend what actually happened. I'm guessing that Brock is behind this meme, and that at least a few of the people in this thread have some connection to that rat (be honest, at least a few do).

Sorry to interrupt the clunky propaganda effort though, back to trying to change the perception of the implosion of the DNC that started in Vegas.

 

Gavile

(107 posts)
118. But it's not on video
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

That's the point. A whole room full of cameras and somehow this mob violence managed to NOT be captured on camera.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. Like Hitler claiming Poland attacked Germany.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

Just more lies and propaganda from the corporatist wing of the party.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. why are you all of a sudden equating to holocaust. another poster called us good Germans.
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:01 AM
May 2016

Are you seriously equating Sanders woes to holocaust and other victims of Hitler? Seriously?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
49. So you admit that the Big Lie is being told by Bernie supporters (Bernie hasn't commented on
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:53 AM
May 2016

what his Bernieshirts have been up to yet) with regard to the aggressive mob that unveiled itself in NV?

Yes more lies and propaganda from the people who simply can't figure out that their actions are on record, and devolving to Godwin's Law wasn't necessary to lose the argument, since the violence, harassment and intimidation is on record, as well as the failure to understand or accept basic rules that apply to both camps.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
130. "Aggressive mob"
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

otherwise known as people that are pissed at a blatantly undemocratic process and are voicing their displeasure.

How do you people not see that this is clunky propaganda to divert attention away from the horrible optics of what actually happened in Vegas, which caused people to be so angry in the first place? It's obvious. The DNC did something horrible, it was captured on video, and they responded by pushing this meme in the hope of diverting attention. Not only did they do something stupid to start this whole mess, they've utterly alienated tons of people that were probably on the fence as far as supporting her in the GE. Brilliant move when she is already not trusted, is the second most unliked major party candidate in polling history and is now tied nationally (and in some key states) with the most unpopular candidate in polling history. It isn't like you had support and votes to waste, and that's exactly what you've done.

Hope this cluster *uck and the small handful of delegates was worth it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
143. It's only propaganda when it reflects poorly upon Sanders.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:28 PM
May 2016

It's only propaganda when it reflects poorly upon Sanders. if it assist him or reflects poorly upon Clinton, it's righteous journalism full of integrity and other juicy bits.

Every. Damn. Time. You guys are being enabling by this little hobgoblin called 'Foolish Consistency'

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
31. The harassment and rude bully behavior of some Sanders fans is putting the breaks on Sanders
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:39 AM
May 2016

campaign!--all by themselves. Blaming it on others is silly and shows your desperation.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
50. I agree, Sanders should figure out a less violent way to put the brakes on their own campaign
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:54 AM
May 2016

all this violence and repeated mob action really is utter bullshit.

 

Gavile

(107 posts)
54. Violence? Mob action?
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:05 AM
May 2016

These are all the same dog whistle terms that were used to describe Civil Rights activists. One of the pretexts used to ban gathering of MLK supporters was that violence always broke out at his rallies.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
32. Did you read the text messages sent by Sanders fans? Attached to the letter in OP. Try
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:40 AM
May 2016

reading them for FACTS!

elleng

(130,895 posts)
36. I'm not interested in fans' text messages,
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:47 AM
May 2016

more significant is action of officials in Democratic committee that precipitated the uproar; reactions are predictable and human.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
77. I'm not understanding the violence
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

...I don't believe it's predictable and human to threaten individuals in a convention setting, or most anywhere, for that matter.

If folks keep providing excuses for such behavior, they'll have only themselves to blame when something tragic happens. Problems with registration isn't justification for violence.

Violence is not progressive behavior, it's regressive and an anathema to the democratic process. If folks can't agree with that principle, maybe they don't belong at these political gatherings.

You should realize that there were very young children present at the convention. This isn't the Democratic party I know and respect. NOTHING that occurred with those folks' registrations justified violent behavior. NOTHING.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
78. +1. This so does not look like how Democrats behave and to have so many dismiss or excuse is wrong.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 17, 2016, 09:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
83. Elleng, you might want to consider the
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

extremely serious formal charges the Nevada State Democratic Party has made against Bernie's own campaign. Not a bunch of yahoo delegaes, but The Sanders Campaign.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention

It was clear to the NSDP that part of the approach by the Sanders Campaign was to employ these easily-incensed delegates as shock troops to sway the convention proceedings. At the very least, these delegates became a way for the Sanders Campaign to seek the advantage of disruption at any particular moment while trying to disavow any responsibility for their actions even as it was ongoing. At no time did any Sanders representative make anything more than token gestures towards peace in the hall, and at the times of most intense crisis offered little more than shrugs and smirks.


I remember you as a huge and fellow supporter of Martin O'Malley. He urged his supporters to back Bernie Sanders before things started getting ugly, but what is he thinking now?
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
113. There were video cameras everywhere, along with cops
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

No video of the allegations. It's because the 'violence' didn't happen. It's Hillary supporters getting caught cheating and trying to change the subject.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
11. Glad to see Democrats finally standing up to the bullying of these unhinged whackos
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

MOST Sanders supporters IRL would never act this way but there is an element that's gone way off the rails, and I seriously doubt they were ever Democrats to begin with.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
51. That's kind of how they shot themselves in the foot.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:56 AM
May 2016

Remember all those people who were proudly proclaiming how they'd vote for their candidate and them immediately change their registration? They did and forgot to read the rules, but that's not their fault of course, it's why they must harass and assault the women in the room, including Nina Turner.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
68. Maru Kitteh—You’re welcome to your doubts. I believe Hillary and her campaign are right-wingers.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:33 AM
May 2016

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
140. A most masterful employment of the Narcissism of Small Differences has been
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

executed to near perfection by the wizards of BernieLand. The pre-disposed and weak fell early. Time + reinforcement and a natural human desire to adhere to group norms brought still more under the spell. The strong and the intellectually honest have not succumbed to the fantastical notion that two Democrats who share a 93% likeness in voting record could be anything other than political siblings. Indeed, SBS co-sponsored 19 pieces of legislation authored by HRC and she supported seven of his.

Intellectual honesty requires the recognition that a fine, outstanding liberal senator like Barbara Boxer does not endorse right-wing candidates, and she has not now, because the stubborn truth is that Sanders and Clinton are much more alike than they are different.


Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
33. Read the text messages sent by the Bernie fans-attached to the link in OP. This will NOT end
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:42 AM
May 2016

well for them.

Response to riversedge (Reply #33)

elleng

(130,895 posts)
38. You got it,
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:49 AM
May 2016

but some/many REALLY want to ignore the facts, encouraging continued similar actions, and many of those are here.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
129. The Clinton
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

She's that powerful now? See how that works though. Some people do something against someone you don't like, Sanders much apologize and is responsible. Some supporters of the corrupt candidate you support do something much worse, you can't blame her.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
131. At an official Democratic event, I hold Sanders responsible for how surrogates act in his behalf.
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

He is supposed to be a leader.
On Twitter, no one ever knows who is sending stuff from whom, so I hold the individual responsible.

Anyone who sent me such a thing on Twitter would be reported to the FBI and the local police. I want that person in jail where they can't hurt children.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
134. The people at the event
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

didn't do anything but yell, because they were pissed. The chair throwing claim is a lie and you know it, just as the "English only" meme was a bold face (and immoral) lie too. The people at the event yelled, because they were pissed at how undemocratic the entire process was. How is he any more responsible for what happened thereafter than Clinton would be on what her followers say on Twitter?

 

Gavile

(107 posts)
55. The only behavior Sanders needs to apologize for is his own
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:10 AM
May 2016

And so far he's done nothing wrong that would require an apology.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
123. bullshit!
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

He's done nothing wrong. And if that's the case then Hillary needs to apologize for her felons who go around beating Bernie supporers up

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
18. I am grateful this is being addressed.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

It is saddening that this is what Sanders campaign is devolving into. I really thought he had great ideas when he first started but his behavior and the behavior of his surrogates is cause for grave concern.

Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Response to riversedge (Reply #30)

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
42. ha ha. You say there were no intimidations at the convention? What about the vile yelling and
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:22 AM
May 2016

calling Sen. Boxer a B**ch at the convention? Sanders fans trying to shout her speech down!

 

Gavile

(107 posts)
58. If you're that easily "intimidated" by people raising their voices in disgust
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:24 AM
May 2016

You should probably get out of politics and stick to playing bridge instead.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
132. They were pissed about
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

a horribly undemocratic process, the aftermath of which was caught on video and looked horrible for the DNC and Clinton supporters, hence this pathetic meme. If this meme wasn't pushed so hard, you'd have to defend what actually happened in Vegas and you know you can't.

It is hard to put into words how monumentally stupid what the DNC did in Vegas. I hope the handful of delegates (which she probably won't even fucking need) was worth it. If you all think there won't be major repercussions for Clinton, you're deluded. Sanders wasn't likely to win, she was, so horrible incidents like this are necessarily going to harm her more, and this was, again, a monumentally stupid decision that is massively backfiring on the DNC now. Implosion city.

Response to riversedge (Reply #42)

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
43. Sanders fans need to accept responsibility for their behavior instead of blaming Hillary. Grow up
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:23 AM
May 2016

Response to riversedge (Reply #43)

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
23. An obvious move. Entirely predictable. Entirely pathetic. What the leadership
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:00 AM
May 2016

did at that convention was recorded in its entirety and available for anyone who wants to find out what actually happened.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
29. Did you read the vile text messages sent by Sanders fans? Attched to letter. Ugly and beyond
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:34 AM
May 2016

the pale!--

Response to riversedge (Reply #29)

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
46. NYT: ‘Vicious’ Bernie Supporters Threaten Grandchild of Nevada Dem State Chair
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:41 AM
May 2016

I hope no harm comes to anyone. This will not end well for the Sanders camp and you constantly blaming Hillary for their behavior is beyond the pale.

NYT: ‘Vicious’ Bernie Supporters Threaten Grandchild of Nevada Dem State Chair

http://bluenationreview.com/nyt-vicious-bernie-supporters-threaten-grandchild-of-nv-dem-state-chair/


By Peter Daou
May 16, 2016

Threats to children for political purposes are unacceptable and Bernie Sanders should condemn these horrible actions immediately.

From the NY Times:

Thrown chairs. Leaked cellphone numbers. Death threats spewed across the Internet. No, this is not the work of Donald J. Trump supporters, some of whom have harassed critics of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. It was angry supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders who were directing their ire at the Nevada Democratic Party — and its chairwoman, Roberta Lange — over a state convention on Saturday that they think was emblematic of a rigged political system.


Here’s Jamil Smith, a respected commentator and senior correspondent at MTV News:.....

Response to riversedge (Reply #46)

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
34. Yes.
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:43 AM
May 2016

It sounds like Team B got caught pulling yet another maneuver.



This time I hope they take it all the way.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
40. "Indeed, actual violence"
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:01 AM
May 2016

Screw the establishment and its fake, right wing, dirty smear tactics about violence at the convention, you will not successfully label people who choose to peacefully protest as the enemy.

"What we can only describe as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats."

Was this statement written about Barbara Boxer, she's the only one on stage creating a dangerous environment. I expected this sort of attack on Bernie, it was clear within the first minute of watching Boxer trying to incite the crowd. They didn't get the violence they hoped to achieve but they're claiming otherwise.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
79. WTF!!! You say it was Boxer inciting the crowd!! What a STUPID thing to say. It was Sanders fans
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

Yelling at her as she tried to begin her talk!! It was beyond rude of Sanders fans and then for one man to yell B***ch!.

....Was this statement written about Barbara Boxer, she's the only one on stage creating a dangerous environment. I expected this sort of attack on Bernie, it was clear within the first minute of watching Boxer trying to incite the crowd. They didn't get the violence they hoped to achieve but they're claiming otherwise.
.....................

.99center

(1,237 posts)
136. How many people in the room heard him yell Bitch?
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

The only reason we know someone yelled that is because there was a cellphone 2 feet away from the guy that yelled that stupid remark. Atleast half of the room had the perception of a stolen election perpetrated by Hillary, hence the booing. What type of idiot would start yelling Hillary! , and were winning! , at the crowd if the goal was civility. Barbara's not an idiot, she knew what she was doing.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
44. It's really gotten out of hand.
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:31 AM
May 2016

The DNC breach was bad but the abusive behavior in L.A. was really shocking, and Sanders refused to condemn it. In fact he condoned it on national TV, calling it "exactly appropriate" in an interview with Rachel Maddow. And now booing Barbara Boxer and attempting to pack a state convention with ringers. And the vandalism. The end can't come soon enough.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
53. Just a little prank, right? Wrong. It was far worse than we knew:
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:03 AM
May 2016
Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the entirety of the event.

Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against the dais had to be attended to throughout the day.

To the great embarrassment and revulsion of the vast majority of attendees, Sanders delegates crowded the dais and shouted down universally-respected U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer of California, who had arrived as a guest of the party to deliver a keynote address in support of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

The Sanders Campaign spent its time either ignoring or profiting from the chaos it did much to create and nothing to diminish or mitigate.


https://www.scribd.com/doc/312844982/160516-Letter-DNC-RBC-NVDemsConvention#

What kind of messed-up thuggery is that?

.99center

(1,237 posts)
60. Thuggery? Give me a break
Tue May 17, 2016, 04:36 AM
May 2016

"crowded the dais" Them thugs!
"Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against the dais had to be attended to throughout the day."
There's one report of someone having a seizure- Blame Bernie!

"The Sanders Campaign spent its time either ignoring or profiting from the chaos"
Ok, that it, this letter is complete garbage! If you have any proof of these claims then post it but quit using this letter as a source of what happen when we have plenty of video of what happen at the convention. I'm really looking forward to the proof of how he "profited off of chaos"

Why does Hillary refuse to condemn confirmed violence?
‘The Wire’ actor Wendell Pierce charged with battery, reportedly for attacking Sanders supporter
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2016/05/17/The-Wire-actor-Wendell-Pierce-charged-with-battery-reportedly-for-attacking-Sanders-supporter/stories/201605170112

 

BlueLouisville

(28 posts)
66. The DNC actually changed their own rules...
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:29 AM
May 2016

They had an early vote for 'temporary rules' for the convention. This vote took place at 9:30 a.m. and voting wasn't suppose to begin until 10:00 a.m. Oddly all of Clinton's supporters were present for the early vote, while Sanders supporters were standing around outside because no votes were suppose to be taking place. There were multiple motions made objecting to the early 'temporary rules' vote, but they were completely ignored. The convention chair took voice votes which clearly weren't definitive, then seconded her own motion and adjourned the convention. This is isn't about Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, this is about democracy. Sanders fans response was clearly out of line but it doesn't excuse the DNC totally undemocratic actions.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
98. And how about the Sanders supporters who were not even registered as Democrats?
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

That sounds like cheating to me.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
135. It's not enough to just show up and say so. They had to REGISTER as Democrats.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

Many were not REGISTERED.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
71. More gaslighting.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016
According to the basic Wikipedia definition, gaslighting is a form of mental abuse wherein “information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented” by an abusive person in order to manipulate the accuser into questioning reality. Most commonly, the technique is used by abusers to outright deny any past wrongdoing when confronted for past behavior.


http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-gaslighting-sanders/

brooklynite

(94,519 posts)
72. Could someone publish the Sanders campaign's complaint, for comparative purposes?
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

They HAVE complained, haven't they?

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
74. big K&R!
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:24 AM
May 2016

...if you can't find Jon Ralston to be a credible source, you really don't have a clue about Nevada politics.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
80. funny how that works
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

...you're stuck with this image of Sanders supporters 'parroted across the M$M.'

If I were concerned about the Sanders brand, I'd take more steps to make certain behavior like what is being reported doesn't become a hallmark of the Sanders camp.

What I fully expect to happen - since most of the responses from Sanders' folks have ranged from justifying it, to denial - is a doubling down of the angry displays by some supporters, encouraged by those now justifying and excusing it.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
82. Not funny, tragic.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:05 AM
May 2016

Tragic that otherwise reasoning people are blind to the fact that Clinton and her surrogates are the ones who are in positions of power and abuse that power.
Neither Sanders or his supporters created the 'chaos' at the NV convention. That was a deliberate creation of the state party and the DNC.
This is the very definition of political stove piping.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
85. Sanders is the longest serving legislator between them.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:20 AM
May 2016

...no one is more responsible for the behavior of the Sanders fans than themselves.

Sanders fans at the NV convention:




Carissa WomanCard ?@bluelyon
On the left, patient @HillaryClinton supporters. On right disruptive Sanders supporters. #nvdemconvention


R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
81. Just heard on KNX AM 1070 (greater Los Angeles area) that Bernie is "allowing
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

to exist" a notion that he has somehow been "snookered" out of a nomination. That comment was in reference to a brief report they aired about the violence at the Nevada convention.

So this increasing violence and Sanders' failure to address it means that he condones it in his name. The general public is now hearing reports like this, so it's not limited to the internet anymore.

I'm glad to see this report from Nevada to the DNC. It's obvious that Sanders is encouraging the victim roll-playing to gain some type of unearned leverage.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
88. That is very sad-and dangerous!! I do hope no one gets hurt. This will not end for Sanders if
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

he does not step up and condemn this behavior from his fans.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
138. the behavior was from the fans. They are responsible for their own behavior but Sanders as
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

their political leader needs to speak up and condemn this vile behavior

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
93. Oh, so it was the BERNIE team that lined up all the brown-shirts ahead of the theft...
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

err, I mean "process".

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
101. Who gives a fuck about the DNC?
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

After donating to them for two and a half decades...they've lost me for the rest of my life with this election. They will never ever get another cent from me...and they make me feel dumb about donating so much in the past.

Their opinion of people that won't just sit down and take it does not fucking matter. And neither does the opinion of their squad of AmeriCANTS.

 

bunchofpenguins

(47 posts)
110. "NV Democrats cover up election fraud by blaming somebody else."
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

How's that accountability and transparency working out for the DNC? Everybody already sees through their BS.

mooseprime

(474 posts)
122. i wish people would get 1/10 as upset
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

about using cluster bombs in civilian areas, invasion and destruction of entire countries, and the many other atrocities that happen to be matters of public record as they do that someone interrupts the decorum of their fake democracy pageant with bad behavior.

clinton initiates and fosters death, savagery, and suffering, but bernie people used their outdoor voices and said bad words.

shame.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
124. omfg... those assholes
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

Shit like this guarantees a nasty convention. They are filing a complaint because the bernie supporters were treated with complete disdain and ignored all day?! They were acting out bcause they could not get any true democracy! What a bunch of fucking cowards and fascists!

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