Video summary of what happened at the NV caucuses

[TCJ70]

I saw Segami post this in another thread and figured it deserved its own. There are some rules to the NV caucuses that I wasn't aware of regarding taking votes. With only a difference of 30 people, it seems to me they should have deferred to the secondary voting method.

[pangaia]

1. This sure makes it pretty clear to me

that this was absolutely intentional.

And as to somebody calling her a "b***h, Yes, I heard that word. But it sounded to me like it was , "that b***h." In other words, whomever it was, was NOT aiming it at her, but rather commenting to one of his colleagues or even just saying it out of pure anger at what she did.

Sexist comment or not....That woman is a disgrace.

No wonder Bernie supporters were royally pissed. They had every right to be. How do you stop shit like this?

THAT is one reason Sanders is running.

[TCJ70]

2. When you watch it all go down in one straightforward timeline...

...with the applicable rules outlined in the video it's pretty clear that the situation was poorly handled. Considering that the 64 delegates disqualified would have put Sanders over Hillary in terms of delegate counts it looks even worse.

[CobaltBlue]

3. pangaia—You asked how one stops it……

…if this corruption makes it to the final round (meaning, the general election), the way to handle this should be obvious: you deny it/them your vote.

[pangaia]

7. Personally, I will do that. But, it is an easy choice for me

without any ramifications as I live in New York.

There is so much 'corruption' long before the 'final round' we really are given almost no choice. That is almost the worse problem.

[CobaltBlue]

18. pangaia—I am in Michigan. But if I was in Ohio, I’d still handle my vote the same.

I am a human being first. I am not a statistic to be extrapolated. And I am not accountable for any political party. Their elected officials are supposed to be working for the people, not the corporations and financial industries, of the United States.

[senz]

24. Election theft gets free people upset. Who could forget Bush v Gore?

[reformist2]

4. That was a very reasonable presentation of the events of an insanely corrupt proceeding.

Hillary fans are aghast at the anger shown by Bernie supporters. But if you're not supposed to get angry when your side is being marginalized, disenfranchised, shut out - when are you supposed to get angry.

What the fuck *was* that. My sentiments exactly.

[YouDig]

6. The Bernie people were mad because the Hillary people had more votes.

So they decided to throw chairs and issue death threats and call people sexist slurs.

Nobody got marginalized, Bernie came out of it with some delegates, just not as many as Clinton, because he had less votes.

[reformist2]

9. There were more Sanders people there, they just weren't counted.

[pangaia]

11. Bullshit on that.

[TCJ70]

13. I thought it was pretty good, too.

The guy spoke with an even tone about it, pointed out the potential for bias when the voice vote was taken given where the recorder was, and just showed the video of what happened.

[CobaltBlue]

14. reformist2—How Hillary’s “fans” feel does not concern me…

The policies and the direction of the party—and with that of a likely general-election nominee Hillary Clinton—are what concern me. Very much…they concern me.

[reformist2]

16. You are correct. And now I'm worried dissenting voices won't even be allowed at the nat'l convention

They can't have unreformed Bernie supporters there ruining Hilary's coronation.

[YouDig]

5. The certification committee was bipartisan. It's not their fault that some Bernie delegates decided

to change their registration to spite the Democratic party.

The reason it sounds like the "nays" are louder is because the camera is in the middle of the Sanders side. Trying to judge which side is louder from there is just stupid. The rules were followed, and the chair found that the "ayes" were more numerous. And it's not surprising that the ayes won because there were more Clinton people there than Sanders people.

The Bernie there people seem to think that if they jump around and call people sexist slurs, that makes their votes count more. It doesn't.

The rules vote wouldn't have changed anything anyway, the bottom line is that there were more Clinton delegates there than Sanders delegates, and the majority won, as it should have.

Oh, and the guy conveniently neglects to mention the death threats and the chair throwing. Just more Bernie propaganda.

[reformist2]

8. Sounds like thousands of registration changes to Dem were never processed - that's the scandal.

This problem appears to be countrywide. One of these days, someone is going to find a pile of registration papers in the garbage or in the shredder pile.

[YouDig]

12. What do you mean "sounds like"? Are you just making this up?

Sanders people have been changing their registration to Indy to spite the Democratic party. They should have figured out that not being a Democrat at a Democratic convention wouldn't fly.

But whatever the reason these specific people weren't Democrats, the fact remains that the weren't, and the rules were followed. Some Hillary delegates didn't get seated either. What the Sanders crowd was trying to do was subvert the democratic vote. And when they didn't get away with it, they started with the sexist slurs and then the death threats and the chair throwing.

[TCJ70]

10. I'm not sure you watched the video...

...because the volume issue is brought up during the "aye and nay" portion. With only a difference of 30 people from one side to the other, voice vote just isn't accurate. Just curious, how do you know the certification committee was bipartisan? I can't seem find information on that. Since this is a video summary, and there is no video of chairs being thrown or death threats being issued it shouldn't surprise anyone that they aren't in the video.

Clinton had 6 delegates disqualified, Sanders had 64 disqualified. According to the video and the people on stage, they weren't given any opportunity to clear up any confusion about their statuses. This is what made people upset. If that doesn't seem odd to you, there's nothing more I can do.

[YouDig]

17. I did. And the guy does mention it but says it still sounded louder to him.

It doesn't matter what it sounds like from the middle of the sanders section. That's totally irrelevant. What matters is the judgement of the chair, who by the rules has the ability to judge whether it is close enough.

Yes, the credentials committee was evenly split between Sanders and Clinton. Not very hard to figure out, and another fact that the video decided to conveniently omit.
http://nvdems.com/credentials-committee/

The fact that it's a video summary doesn't excuse it from not mentioning the chair throwing and death threats, which appeared all over the news. He cited other news articles in the video, why not the ones about the rioting? The death threats were a NYT headline, and "Thrown Chairs" was the first sentence. It was also reported in AP, WP, and other places but the video guy doesn't think it's worth even mentioning? And he does think it's worth quoting some comments from a Daily Caller article? It's a total joke.

Sanders had more people disqualified because Sanders people unregistered as Dems to spite the party. "According to the video" is meaningless because the video is Sanders/Daily Caller propaganda. The rules were followed, and Bernie lost. Then his supporters got upset and made sexist chants and death threats and threw chairs.

[TCJ70]

21. I wish I had your simplistic worldview...

...but then I'd be a Hillary supporter so maybe not...

[YouDig]

22. You couldn't even figure out how to google the credentials committee, you don't understand

that sound dissipates with distance, and you're calling me simplistic? Ha!

[TheBlackAdder]

19. Poetic Justice will be watching him/her whine when it happens to HRC in the General Election.

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Nothing will seem fair, because it doesn't reinforce the biased narrative of the poster.

Objectivity is out the window, as it now comes down to the "my candidate" mentality.


The same shit will be applied in the General Election, and it will be funny to watch this one cry about it.


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[TCJ70]

20. I doubt they'll be around long enough for you to see it...

...this particular poster is a one note show.

[HumanityExperiment]

15. Crystal clear...

The fix is in, gotta love establishment machine in action...this is a state level debacle

Now take in national convention and amplify that debacle with the mass media coverage when neither candidate will have enough delegates to earn the nomination and SDs will be required to push the candidates over the line...

grab your popcorn folks, this is going to be REALLY fun to watch

[senz]

23. K&R -- we have plenty of video evidence of the Nevada events. This is one of the best.

I'm so glad we can disprove the Clinton lies about this.