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Wed May 18, 2016, 10:52 AM

 

The chasm between Hillary and Bernie is not about policy nor about personality.

It's about integrity. Bernie has it in abundance. Hillary has none, zero.

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Reply The chasm between Hillary and Bernie is not about policy nor about personality. (Original post)
Scuba May 2016 OP
randome May 2016 #1
KPN May 2016 #12
randome May 2016 #18
apnu May 2016 #31
KPN May 2016 #32
randome May 2016 #34
Name removed May 2016 #2
w4rma May 2016 #5
Name removed May 2016 #8
Maedhros May 2016 #10
Name removed May 2016 #13
pinebox May 2016 #23
Name removed May 2016 #25
peace13 May 2016 #28
pinebox May 2016 #29
Scuba May 2016 #35
KPN May 2016 #14
Name removed May 2016 #17
KPN May 2016 #19
Skwmom May 2016 #3
Go Vols May 2016 #9
pmorlan1 May 2016 #4
BeyondGeography May 2016 #6
farleftlib May 2016 #7
Demsrule86 May 2016 #11
KPN May 2016 #16
Demsrule86 May 2016 #24
My Good Babushka May 2016 #15
Beacool May 2016 #20
seabeyond May 2016 #21
joshcryer May 2016 #22
peace13 May 2016 #26
CrowCityDem May 2016 #27
Trust Buster May 2016 #30
dana_b May 2016 #33
lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #36

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:54 AM

1. That's funny. Because Clinton and Sanders keep talking about issues, not integrity.

 

It's the supporters on both sides who want to talk about everything but.
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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

12. How do YOU define integrity?

Bernie fits Webster's, Hillary not so much. Oh yeah, seems to me Bernie's been talking about "integrity" from the get go.

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Response to KPN (Reply #12)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:23 AM

18. Not by defining someone else.

 

The Sanders supporters are talking almost exclusively about Clinton and the Clinton supporters are catching up to them by almost exclusively talking about Sanders.

It's a mess and all of you are doing a disservice to this election.
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Response to randome (Reply #18)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:43 AM

31. Aye.

Both sides now seem content to have this be a full on flame war that's now spilled over into the real world, see Nevada.

None of it is productive. Fun, if one is a true believer of one camp or another, but not productive for anybody.

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Response to randome (Reply #18)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:44 AM

32. They are running against each other! How do they not talk about each other. Talking about

the issues is talking about integrity. In fact, the biggest issue of all in this primary is INTEGRITY in elections and governance. That's what the whole damned movement is about.

Have a problem with it all you want. It's not going to go away. And it's in the Party's court as far as the ultimate outcome goes. If the recent past is an indicator, I don't expect it to go well for the Party. They better change it up soon.

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Response to KPN (Reply #32)

Wed May 18, 2016, 12:33 PM

34. No, the candidates are NOT talking about each other. That's what I said.

 

They're talking about the issues but their supporters are deaf to it, they'd rather talk about the 'enemy'. Fat lot of help that's going to do us.

On edit: okay, occasionally they DO talk about their opponent, but the references are few and far between. Their supporters -on both sides- are now obsessed with the 'other' candidate. It's become a childish mud-flinging contest on both sides.
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Wed May 18, 2016, 10:57 AM

5. Who is under FBI investigation for mishandling secure information and usurping the FoIA? (nt)

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #8)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:03 AM

10. All three of your posts contain no meaningful content.

 

/ignore list.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #8)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:28 AM

23. Messiah?

 

I'd rather have a person as a messiah than the almighty buck.




Remind us again who's seen as a liar by the American public and who is seen as untrustworthy.
Because it isn't Bernie. Your candidate is flawed and has the lowest approval rating of any potential nominee in history.
Gee, I wonder why that is. Could it be.....




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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:40 AM

28. And how would you know if her fingers were crossed or not?

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

29. And Bernie hasn't been honest?

 

So choose the candidate who settles for mediocrity over greatness?
Tell us, where to people get in life without ambition, drive, passion? Hm? Obama said he would get health care passed, he did and that has been one of the greatest fights in political history of America. How much longer do people have to sit around and wait in America for things which are standard in the rest of the world? Only because politicians won't fight for what is right and become complacent due to the other side.

No, you know what dishonesty is? It's telling people you had no classified information on an email server when you in fact did. It's lying about taking sniper fire. It's saying you defended LGBT rights despite DOMA and DADT and your personal history with both.

It's also telling everybody you're going to get stuff done when the other side is already threatening to impeach you on day 1.


So who do you want to go with? The old bird who can't fly or the guy who is willing to fight for everybody in this country with this like maternal leave?

Ole. This. Who does Hillary stand for? Who does Bernie stand for? The answer is quite obvious especially when someone is taking more donations from big pharma than any other candidate on both sides.



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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:00 PM

35. Bernie hasn't promised anybody anything ...

 

... except that he'll fight for those issues you mentioned, among others.


Hillary appears to have promised lots of people that they will be further enriched. It's inconceivable that there's no quid pro quo for the money she and her foundation have raked in from people, corporations and countries.

And even if there were no quid pro quo, her allowing her planned Presidency to be totally undermined by her ignoring all these conflicts of interest shows horrible judgement. That's the best case for her.

When your best case is "bad judgement" you're not much of a candidate.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #2)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:08 AM

14. He's not. He says it's an extremely steep uphill climb, but possible.

And it is possible even if it's not likely. It's also possible that Superdelegates may switch to supporting Bernie, but also a small possibility.

If we all just give up whenever the possibilities appear unlikely, then we never accomplish great things.

So what's your fuss? Seems either irrational or based in the realization that your candidate is a weak candidate.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #17)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:23 AM

19. And you think we all don't know that?

Bernie supporters are quite a bit different from Tea Partiers. They have brains.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:56 AM

3. It is about who is bought and paid for and who isn't. Biden came out and said NOTHING


would be done for the middle class UNTIL money was taken out of the process. So Clinton and the DNC just double down.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:01 AM

9. "It is about who is bought and paid for and who isn't."

yes it is

In the late 1970s, as large corporations turned into transnational giants, they pumped huge amounts of cash into the political system. This largesse lured, first, the Republican Party, in the 80s, followed by the Democratic Party in the 90s, and precipitated a rightward political shift as both parties rewrote their policies to compete for the same corporate contributions.

Before this, from 1932-1976, the Democratic Party as a whole was far more progressive. The issues and approaches advocated today by Bernie Sanders were considered mainstream Democratic ideas by Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, and even many moderate Republicans. It was common to support strict financial regulation, liberal immigration, social services for the poor, and progressive tax policies.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:57 AM

4. Policy and Integrity

I think it's about both policy and integrity.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 10:58 AM

6. He's, like, dreamy pure

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:00 AM

7. She's under a criminal FBI investigation

 

even if all the other baggage didn't exist, that's a problem right there.

We know where her loyalties lie, with the extremely small tip at the top of the pyramid. Bernie is
with the 99%. She can't hold a candle to that even if she wanted to because she has accepted the
dirty money.

The Clintons had their turn and messed things up for us. Why would anybody want to give them
another crack at it. We're debt slaves as it is but it could get worse and will if they get in the WH
again.

K & R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:04 AM

11. No he does not

And what about his wife? I thought he did at one time but no more...he has behaved horribly. If I never see his face again, it would be too soon.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #11)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:09 AM

16. What about his wife?

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Response to KPN (Reply #16)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:34 AM

24. I guess you did not hear how she

'exaggerated' donations to buy a property she wanted so she could get the mortgage...of course, the school could not pay for it and she left taking $200,000 with her and now the school is going under...There was also something about a former college...don't remember the details...and she was very difficult to work for or with according to sources.

http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/the-2016-blast/2016/05/jane-sanders-school-trouble-benghazi-political-attacks-have-a-setback-trumps-ladys-fight-reverberates-5-things-you-need-to-know-214320

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:09 AM

15. Lets not get bonkers

He was willing to sacrifice the environment of Sierra Blanca to dispose of his state's nuclear waste. He likes the jobs the defense budget brings to his state. I consider him the lesser of two evils, in this election.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:24 AM

20. That's your conclusion?

This moral superiority attitude of some of Sanders' supporters is beyond tiresome. The man is just another politician, not the second coming of the Lord.

Get over yourselves!!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:25 AM

21. I think Sanders has shown us how much he lacks while claiming it. Biggest revelation of his campaign

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:28 AM

22. Yep. Sanders will stump for her like she did Obama.

It's going to be a great matchup.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:38 AM

26. True words.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:40 AM

27. How does Bernie have integrity anymore?

 

He tells everyone else to release every bit of information about their lives, while he releases nothing.

He calls everyone in politics corrupt, when he has raised money from the same 'immoral' people.

He decries banksters who walked away from their fraud with lavish payouts, while his wife may have done the same thing to Burlington College.

He refuses to hold his supporters as accountable as he does Trumps.

He continues to feed his supporters the delusion they're going to win this primary.

There's no integrity in any of that.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

30. Not about policy ? You mean that Hillary is promising $18 trillion in new entitlements that she

 

knows Congress will laugh at too ? Now that's REAL integrity for ya.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 11:44 AM

33. and judgment

Two huge (yuge!) personality traits. Integrity and judgment.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 01:02 PM

36. That is essentially it.

 

It really doesn't matter what Clinton promises. We all know she'll work for Wall Street.

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