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Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:57 PM May 2016

I believe the clearest explanation for the Clinton campaign's actions in NV and the ratfucking of

The left is:
They have decided that they can not win.
They are acknowledging that they will have to STEAL it.
Their MO is going to be BLATANT and unapologetic.
Watch as more votes disappear or are switched before your eyes.

They will do it right before your eyes and act like you are the problem.

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I believe the clearest explanation for the Clinton campaign's actions in NV and the ratfucking of (Original Post) Vincardog May 2016 OP
Why would they think they can't win? Have you looked at the delegate count? YouDig May 2016 #1
nice for a laugh. it was the sanders crowd doing all the dirty deeds the other day nt msongs May 2016 #2
Were you there? merrily May 2016 #27
Sigh. Skinner May 2016 #3
+1000. Metric System May 2016 #38
I believe that the clearest explanation for the Sanderss campaigns actions in NV and the ratfucking Fresh_Start May 2016 #4
The credentials committee kept 64 Bernie delegates out to give HRC a 30 delegate lead CHEATING Vincardog May 2016 #14
wrong: they kept 58 sanders delegates and 8? clinton delegates out Fresh_Start May 2016 #21
The rules in place since 2012 allowed delegates to challenge why they were denied. The chair denied Vincardog May 2016 #23
no, the chair did not deny them the right to challenge Fresh_Start May 2016 #26
You are entitled to your opinion not your own facts. Fact is they stole it for HRC on tape. Get Vincardog May 2016 #29
The fact is that Clinton won Nevada in February... Fresh_Start May 2016 #33
Maybe Bernie is just losing Renew Deal May 2016 #5
Kick for truth. They have been doing so during The Great Coast to Coast silvershadow May 2016 #6
Well I don't care who "wins" the nomination nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #7
lolz obamanut2012 May 2016 #10
I agree with you, it is hilarious nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #11
Sure you don't... SidDithers May 2016 #32
So who did you vote in your elections? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #34
I voted for John Oliver...nt SidDithers May 2016 #35
I guess our friends from the UK nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
Once again displaying the expert research skills... SidDithers May 2016 #41
Your "explicantion" (SIC) is full baseless conspiracy theories. PeaceNikki May 2016 #8
You explain why they are hating on the left. Vincardog May 2016 #16
Uuummm... I'm not. PeaceNikki May 2016 #18
So your reply is baseless opinion. I am good with that. Vincardog May 2016 #20
Your OP is baseless conspiracy theory. That's a fact. There's no evidence of fraud. PeaceNikki May 2016 #24
Watch the video. Appologize to me after. Thank you Vincardog May 2016 #25
There's no video in your OP. PeaceNikki May 2016 #28
Thanks for the OP! obamanut2012 May 2016 #9
Your welcome Vincardog May 2016 #17
You are very concerned. Dem2 May 2016 #12
I echo Skinner's sigh. Starry Messenger May 2016 #13
"They have decided that they can not win." TwilightZone May 2016 #15
yes, how could Clinton possibly win 270 delegates ahead with six states to go alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #19
Yes you are totally right. Now please go see a therapist before you hurt someone. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #22
Look it's not rocket science, it -IS- Shock Doctrine...they need an enemy on the LEFT HereSince1628 May 2016 #30
BINGO nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
Oy BeyondGeography May 2016 #31
I have to disagree, in that Hillary has more delegates mindwalker_i May 2016 #39
Hillary is too much like Nixon, can't help herself? All in it together May 2016 #40

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
3. Sigh.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

She has a commanding lead.

Even if she were inclined to "steal it" -- which she isn't -- there is no reason for her to do that. The entire premise of your OP is wrong.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
4. I believe that the clearest explanation for the Sanderss campaigns actions in NV and the ratfucking
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

of the voters is:

They have decided that they can not win.
They are acknowledging that they will have to STEAL it.
Their MO is going to be BLATANT and unapologetic.
Watch as more votes disappear or are switched before your eyes.

They will do it right before your eyes and act like you are the problem


Works equally well pointing at the Sanders campaign.
Clinton won Nevada in February.
Clinton lost the county caucus
Clinton won the state caucus.

The win at the state caucus was not dispute-able
More Clinton delegates showed up than Sanders delegates.
The counts were confirmed by a bipartisan credentials committee.
The committee was composed of equal numbers of sanders and clinton supporters.


Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
21. wrong: they kept 58 sanders delegates and 8? clinton delegates out
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

using the same rules for both groups of delegates.

and the rules were previously disclosed rules..and have been in place since 2012.

why can't sanders supporters ever follow the rules?

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
23. The rules in place since 2012 allowed delegates to challenge why they were denied. The chair denied
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

them this opportunity. That is why the delegates were so upset. Watch the video. I will accept you apology later.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
26. no, the chair did not deny them the right to challenge
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

and some of them (64-58) did challenge and were allowed to participate as delegates.
Most of the others didn't even show up to challenge the decision.

The video doesn't show that because the video did not contain the credential committees work.
Keep lying to yourself

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
29. You are entitled to your opinion not your own facts. Fact is they stole it for HRC on tape. Get
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

Over it.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
33. The fact is that Clinton won Nevada in February...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

and sanders tried to intimidate the state convention but it didn't work.
you are not entitled to your own facts.
The bipartisan committee determined which delegates could serve: and more clinton delegates passed the rules.

If only sanders delegates had shown up...or had been legitimate and didn't try to throw the democratic party under the bus by promptly changing their party registration, they would have won.

Looks like sanders supporters should be hounding their 350+ delegates that didn't bother to show up.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
6. Kick for truth. They have been doing so during The Great Coast to Coast
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

Disenfranchisement Tour this entire primary season. Ever since the wheels fell of the bus at the first of the year.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Well I don't care who "wins" the nomination
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:08 PM
May 2016

at this point, It is so blatant that I do not consider it legitimate, I will pretend to fill a ballot, and I expect that vote to go wherever the central tabulator decides it belongs. Earlier in the day I even joked that they might give it to a Republcians, never mind that is actually a closed primary, but nothing would surprise me anymore. And in November, I don't expect it to actually count as cast either.

So who am I voting for? Whoever the damn powers that be want me to vote for. At least give me a coke and a torta. damn it. These days it is a spending card... by the way. Yes, it is that blatant

But it is bad enough that I now have joined the millions who consider voting a waste of time. I will just do ti because I am too stubborn.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. I guess our friends from the UK
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

are running in Canadian elections



Good to know. I learn stuff every day here.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
41. Once again displaying the expert research skills...
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

that led you to report 6 feet of hail in Mexico City (or was it a 60cm meter?). and Jay Polk had been killed in Syria.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members/John-Oliver(88881)

Well done.

Sid

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
15. "They have decided that they can not win."
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:18 PM
May 2016

Clinton is about 1/4 of California's delegates away from winning the nomination.

Your assertion doesn't make any logical sense.

"They are acknowledging that they will have to STEAL it. "

Such as trying to get more delegates than the winner of a caucus by subverting the will of the people?

Yeah, I suppose that could be considered stealing. Except that was your guy.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
19. yes, how could Clinton possibly win 270 delegates ahead with six states to go
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016


Sandersism in a nutshell in the OP.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
30. Look it's not rocket science, it -IS- Shock Doctrine...they need an enemy on the LEFT
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

to enable them to move freely to the RIGHT.

Those dangerous Bernie Bros and Bobs are just the ticket! HRC really CANNOT go to them, THEY are FORCING HER!!! to go to the republicans.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
39. I have to disagree, in that Hillary has more delegates
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

She can almost certainly win at this point. Are you saying that there has been cheating the whole way through? There might have been, and some evidence exists, but not enough to make the claim decisively.

What's interesting is that, even though she has been winning, they had to pull all that shit in NV. That very much seems like it could really piss off a ot of people and further damage her chances in the GE. It almost seems like an emotional reaction to people who don't support her, as in, how dare they?!

That, more than anything, raises a lot of red flags as to Hillary's suitability to be president.

All in it together

(275 posts)
40. Hillary is too much like Nixon, can't help herself?
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

He would have won without cheating but he couldn't help himself and cheated (had his guys break into the Watergate) anyway. Ohhhh, there are enemies all around.

I'm not sure if she can win with or without cheating.

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