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Thu May 19, 2016, 04:16 PM

Remember how it turned out the GOP was financing Nader?

Wonder how much of that is going on now.

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Reply Remember how it turned out the GOP was financing Nader? (Original post)
arely staircase May 2016 OP
Cali_Democrat May 2016 #1
arely staircase May 2016 #2
LondonReign2 May 2016 #12
Bill USA May 2016 #25
timmymoff May 2016 #3
artislife May 2016 #7
Amaril May 2016 #10
eastwestdem May 2016 #4
Vogon_Glory May 2016 #5
LexVegas May 2016 #6
TwilightZone May 2016 #8
Ken Burch May 2016 #9
Vogon_Glory May 2016 #11
Txbluedog May 2016 #14
Ken Burch May 2016 #16
Gothmog May 2016 #13
Luminous Animal May 2016 #15
arely staircase May 2016 #17
bonemachine May 2016 #23
arely staircase May 2016 #24
QC May 2016 #18
arely staircase May 2016 #20
bonemachine May 2016 #22
uponit7771 May 2016 #28
NCTraveler May 2016 #19
hellofromreddit May 2016 #21
uponit7771 May 2016 #26
The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #27

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:18 PM

1. Most likely it's happening right now

 

Remember during one of the Democratic debates when the RNC chairman was live-tweeting and defending Bernie?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:19 PM

2. Bernie is now a Trump/GOP errand boy.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Thu May 19, 2016, 05:05 PM

12. A ton!

Blankfein, Dimon, big Hillary backers.

Oh, wait, that isn't what you meant?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:20 PM

3. We know it is going on

 

Hillary courted Jeb Bush , Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz mega donors. So yup it's going on, but not by the progressive candidate of the democratic party, but by the right leaning candidate of the democratic party.

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Response to timmymoff (Reply #3)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:54 PM

10. + 1,000,000! (n/t)

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:21 PM

4. No doubt, particular with the rhetoric BS is spewing today. nt

 

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:25 PM

5. I'm wondering the same thing

I'm wondering the same thing. After watching what the Rethugs did to Bill Clinton and what many of them tried to do to President Obsma, I would not be the slightest bit surprised to see right-wing operatives hard at work for the hard-right propaganda organs and the Republican Party masquerading as just another one of Bernie's fan-boys or just another one of Bernie's fan-girls.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:26 PM

6. They are going to try to boost the weaker candidate. That is Bernie. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:49 PM

8. Hell, I would if I were them. Look at it from their perspective:

Politically-savvy, well-connected, well-funded, veteran politician with an extensive national organization vs. not-yet-vetted political loner who once flirted with communism.

That's how the GOP would see it.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 04:52 PM

9. Bernie's campaign exists because the people want it to exist.

 

Only the rich would have benefited if HRC had been nominated by acclimation, because she would be running twenty degrees to Obama's right.

There will never again be a good reason for Democratic presidential candidates to blur the differences between themselves and the Republican candidates, and especially not to the massive degree Bill did in '92 and '96(something she never publicly questioned).

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Thu May 19, 2016, 05:03 PM

11. You're missing something

You're missing something. I don't doubt that many Sanders voters are motivated by a genuine and understandable anger at the default kleptocratic policies this country has been operating under more often than not since 1995. But I strongly believe that a lot of the current rancor is being artificially stoked by right-wing moles pretending to be Sanders supporters.

If it makes you feel better, I suspect that there are other R/W moles pretending to be Clinton supporters.

What's in it for right-wingers and Republicans to promote the Sanders vs Clinton feud?
A weakened and divided Democratic Party that would boost the chances of Trump and boost the chances of the Republicans keeping the US Senate and probably the House, too

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #11)

Thu May 19, 2016, 05:24 PM

14. Totally agree with your last paragraph

 

We started out with the prospect of a contested republican convention now is Turing into possible riots and chaos at the democratic convention

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #11)

Thu May 19, 2016, 06:06 PM

16. I agree with you about the right-wing mole problem.

 

It is nearly impossible for a candidate to vet her or his online supporters.

My objection to the OP was that it seemed to be yet another argument that Bernie's campaign is illegitimate and should never have happened.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 05:24 PM

13. Rove funded Nader's campaign

For some funny reason, Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader's campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP's Laura Meckler headlined "GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads." She opened: "Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... 'Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,' Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: 'What's Al Gore's real record?' Nader says: 'Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.'" Meckler's report continued: "A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader's speeches." Bush's people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.

This is from the GOP bag of dirty tricks that worked once and Rove has been running attack ads against Clinton but not Sanders. Again the GOP knows which candidate is the weakest general election candidate

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 05:25 PM

15. Remember when Kerry received from GOP donors at a rate 10 times that of Nader?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #15)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:20 PM

17. For the purpose of defeating Republicans. Nader took their money to defeat Democrats

So there is that minor detail.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #17)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:28 PM

23. Huh?

Nader wasn't running against Bush too?

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Response to bonemachine (Reply #23)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:12 PM

24. So the GOP money men were giving Nader money to defeat Bush?

You really believe that? Well they weren't. They were financing a left third party to specifically go after the Democratic Candidate.

Any money that GOP donors are giving to Clinton is so she can defeat Trump.

Then in the next cycle it will be her against the people that helped her beat Trump.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:21 PM

18. Remember when Clinton went after Bush, Cruz, and Rubio donors.

It was in the news just a couple of weeks ago. No need to go back fifteen years for this.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

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Response to QC (Reply #18)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:24 PM

20. Yes. For money to defeat Donald Trump. Nader took their money to defeat AL Gore.

so a bit different.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #20)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:28 PM

22. Wait...

Nader wasn't running against Bush as well? How does that work?

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Response to bonemachine (Reply #22)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:44 PM

28. Of course but not for the reasons of beating bush, just to suppress Gore numbers but you know that

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:21 PM

19. We know about Crossroads.

 

Not much Sanders can do about that.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 07:25 PM

21. I'm confident that it's not happening.

 

Nader isn't even running.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:42 PM

26. Well (with side eye)

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Thu May 19, 2016, 08:44 PM

27. I doubt they need to do that, Trump simply repeats everything that Bernie

says for free.

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