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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:42 AM May 2016

I know we are in the final frenzied stages of a passionate primary campaign, but

can everyone please calm down?

Hillary is not the devil. She's a standard centrist Democrat. She even has a number of positive attributes.

Please stop acting outraged about Hillary's emails and rooting for the FBI investigation.

Bernie has been a great Democrat and has revitalized the roots of the party.

Don't let a few passionate, overly zealous supporters and the media define what Bernie's campaign is about.

Ultimately what happened in Nevada is not going to change the outcome of the primary.

Both Bernie and Hillary have run really good campaigns. Neither have really gone particularly negative on each other-- certainly not as much as they could have.

The primary is not yet over but chances are high that Hillary will be the nominee.

Bernie has earned a seat at the Dem table should be allowed to influence the party platform.

The Dem party will come together at the convention.

Trump is the freaking enemy, and would be an outright disaster for the WORLD, not just the US.

In terms of basic human rights (for women, minority, LGBTQ, elderly) and the environment (clean water, clean air, climate change) both Sanders or Hillary will strongly defend them.

The GOP will not.

Let's take the opportunity of a Trump candidacy to rout the GOP, as they deserve so badly.

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I know we are in the final frenzied stages of a passionate primary campaign, but (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 May 2016 OP
Tell that to the Hillary Supporters... GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #1
Codswallop. nt Codeine May 2016 #3
Say what you want about "Hillary supporters" Cosmocat May 2016 #22
Bernie is not going to be given a seat at the Dem table. Hillary just feels djean111 May 2016 #2
Of course he is. Codeine May 2016 #5
That's the problem. Hillary will move to the right after the convention, and farther to the right Doctor_J May 2016 #9
There would be a parade of "grand bargains". djean111 May 2016 #10
You're so right... Hillary's phony progressivism is so damn obvious. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #32
So silly - no Dem. Is going to move farther to the right than they do during the GE. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #36
Seriously? Politics is not about petty emotions, its a long term game procon May 2016 #14
Excellent post Pisces May 2016 #16
Tell that to FDR. That's a Progressive with guts. Not the tainted triangulation of the 90's, highprincipleswork May 2016 #31
I'm trying to find common ground and we do need to come together to defeat the GOP Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #18
Very true uponit7771 May 2016 #4
Please stop making sense. It is frowned upon. NCTraveler May 2016 #6
LOL! Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #19
Quit with telling us to not care re FBi investigation. 7wo7rees May 2016 #7
you are welcome to care about the investigation, I was asking people not to root for Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #20
the point is that many of us see her as nearly a great disaster... grasswire May 2016 #29
is/was Obama's presidency a disaster? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #37
Sure. Punch someone in the face then ask them to calm down. It's a year too late and GoneFishin May 2016 #8
Yep. Not calming down, not reconciling myself to election shenanigans. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #13
I've heard there are discrepancies but Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #38
Oh fuck no. 99Forever May 2016 #11
what does that mean? The stock market soared during the Clinton years. Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #17
It means that "The Financial Modernization Act" pushed by The Clintons and signed into law by Billy. 99Forever May 2016 #21
I thought you might have meant that but I wanted to be sure Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #39
Not fair? 99Forever May 2016 #40
Hillary is not the devil? pinebox May 2016 #12
Fuck that shit. frylock May 2016 #15
I have tried this a couple times Cosmocat May 2016 #23
LOL, yeah Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #26
How come she is rated one of the most liberal but DU calls her a centrist? Because you compare her BootinUp May 2016 #24
because DU has a large contingent of strong liberals who are not happy with the Dem party Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #25
Yes, but they should be pressed to answer the damn question lol. BootinUp May 2016 #28
Hillary has been cozy SpareribSP May 2016 #33
Good luck with that.....n/t asuhornets May 2016 #27
Remember when PUMA was a thing but wasn't? joshcryer May 2016 #30
Not acting -- if she broke the law like it looks like she did... IdaBriggs May 2016 #34
I agree with one caveat DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #35
Actually, the primary is over. seabeyond May 2016 #41
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
1. Tell that to the Hillary Supporters...
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

They are the ones flinging the most mean spirited hateful attacks against Bernie and his supporters. I have not seen anything comparable from Bernie supporters, we may disparage Hillary but we do so based on her record and evidence not on personal mean attacks.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
22. Say what you want about "Hillary supporters"
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

but they aren't the ones who on the same day loudly declared Rachow Maddow as a sell out AND championed Joe Scarborough as a man of principle.

Yeah, here at Democratic Underground.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Bernie is not going to be given a seat at the Dem table. Hillary just feels
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:47 AM
May 2016

entitled to his supporters and his organization. She has been up front about that.

Your condescending dismissal of Bernie and his supporters is noted. Your authoritarian little directives will be rightfully ignored.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
5. Of course he is.
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

She's an experienced politician. She knows how to work this. Idiots babbling about primarying him and cutting off funds to VT are just that -- idiots. He's going to be a key figure in the party for a while based on the fact that he did a bang up job in this race for the nomination.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. That's the problem. Hillary will move to the right after the convention, and farther to the right
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:58 AM
May 2016

if she gets elected. She and Paul Ryan will "compromise" us into a third world hellhole.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,095 posts)
32. You're so right... Hillary's phony progressivism is so damn obvious.
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:16 PM
May 2016

Bernie will be the last one standing... never give up!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

procon

(15,805 posts)
14. Seriously? Politics is not about petty emotions, its a long term game
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

and Hillary is a professional, the Grand Master of the Game. This isn't the movie "Mean Girls" where emotional school girls ware petty and self centered and react without thought to the consequences. This is national politics on the highest tier, and Hillary has 30 years experience in the political arena. She didn't get where she is today by indulging in childish stunts like you imagine.

You're lashing out because Sanders is losing, but he'll still have his 15 minutes of fame and Hillary will play nice, even including some of his ideas in her platform. What you do with your vote after that is up to you, and one way or the other, either Hillary or Trump will thank you.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
31. Tell that to FDR. That's a Progressive with guts. Not the tainted triangulation of the 90's,
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

which they're probably going to try to recycle all over again.

if they're really not, they ought to make that LOUD AND CLEAR RIGHT NOW!






 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
18. I'm trying to find common ground and we do need to come together to defeat the GOP
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

Maybe it's too late for you, sorry if that is so.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
7. Quit with telling us to not care re FBi investigation.
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

I am more concerned with "pay to play", Clinton Foundation, SOS, Huma, Chelsea and her husband's 25 million debacle. When is enough ever enough?
Oh wait, she is going to put Bill in charge of what?
And what about the million$ raised speaking to special audiences?
If you are being paid so well for your special insight, why are you not sharing some of it with all the rest of the body politic you expect to support you?

"F" it Hill.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
20. you are welcome to care about the investigation, I was asking people not to root for
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

her getting indicted. I'm not even saying Hillary isn't corrupt to some degree or that I'm thrilled with her. It's just that she's likely our nominee and is standing between us and a Trump disaster.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
29. the point is that many of us see her as nearly a great disaster...
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

...or as great a disaster but in a slightly different way.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
8. Sure. Punch someone in the face then ask them to calm down. It's a year too late and
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

and dozens of suspiciously unreconcilable exit polls for that.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
13. Yep. Not calming down, not reconciling myself to election shenanigans.
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

And trust me, this has been a mild reaction to this point...

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
38. I've heard there are discrepancies but
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016

where is the careful, documented analysis that really shows good proof of election tampering? Has anyone done this? Because otherwise, it's just another rumor.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. Oh fuck no.
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:07 AM
May 2016

I won't fucking "calm down." My retirement possibilities haven't recovered from the last time a Clinton was in the WH.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
21. It means that "The Financial Modernization Act" pushed by The Clintons and signed into law by Billy.
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

... paved the way for the Great Recession of 2008.

Educate your uninformed self before asking stupid questions. That's "what it means."

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
39. I thought you might have meant that but I wanted to be sure
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:08 AM
May 2016

I don't think it's fair to blame Hillary for that, however.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
40. Not fair?
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

Having a lifetime of retirement resources stolen by dirty rotten scoundrels (Hillary's cronies and financiers).

How about thst? Is that fair?

What precisely did Hillary do to try to stop it? Not a fucking thing. Furthermore it puts the slick scammer who signed it into law back in power.

So fuck yes, BOTH Clintons are to blame.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
15. Fuck that shit.
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

The Democrats shit the bed this week with their lying about the events in NV. Reap the whirlwind.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
23. I have tried this a couple times
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

over the last year and have totally given up on it.

There is no reasoning with it, Rachel Maddow is a sell out POS and Joe Scarborough is a man of principle.

THIS is what we are dealing with at this point here.

BootinUp

(46,536 posts)
24. How come she is rated one of the most liberal but DU calls her a centrist? Because you compare her
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

to a socialist perhaps?

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
25. because DU has a large contingent of strong liberals who are not happy with the Dem party
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:08 PM
May 2016

I imagine you guessed that by now...

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
33. Hillary has been cozy
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

With a lot of third way/corporatism, and she also has a more authoritarian streak then Sanders does. She's also running on incrementalism so it would be shocking to me if her agenda wasn't centrist.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
34. Not acting -- if she broke the law like it looks like she did...
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

I want her prosecuted because the whole "I'm rich and therefore the law does not apply" is unacceptable.

I have separate issues with her apparent corruption, cronyism, bad judgment and lying.

Ex: "The FBI hasn't approached me about an interview" she says. That's because according to her campaign spokesman, the FBI is scheduling everything through her attorney who is in close communication with them. That type of word parsing salad is one of the many examples of her being a LIAR.

I will not support someone who I think belongs in jail.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
35. I agree with one caveat
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016
Hillary is not the devil. She's a standard centrist Democrat. She even has a number of positive attributes.




Hillary is not the devil. She's a standard issue mainstream Democrat, as she has been her entire career. She even has a number of positive attributes.
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