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Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:10 PM May 2016

Party unity is never 100%. There are ways to increase unity and ways to expand the divide.

Assume Hillary is the nominee. If there is meaningful party rules reform, a progressive platform, a ticket with a progressive VP nominee, and a useful roll for the FDR-Sanders-Warren wing of the party at the convention and beyond, there will be a greater degree of unity.

If DWS and lobbyists continue to have dominance at the DNC, if the platform is all double-talk and centrist pablum, if the VP nominee is a neocon or a neoliberal, and if the HRC-DWS wing of FDR's party freezes out the FDR-Sanders-Warren wing of the party at the convention and beyond, there will still be some unity but not as much.

Regardless of whether Hillary is nominated, the movement led by Sanders will go forward; the question is whether it goes on within the Democratic Party or parallel to the Democratic Party.

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Party unity is never 100%. There are ways to increase unity and ways to expand the divide. (Original Post) Vote2016 May 2016 OP
Run for office downticket. JaneyVee May 2016 #1
I'm running a downballot campaign. That won't help fix the problem building in Philadelphia. I'm not Vote2016 May 2016 #2
How is it DWS fault? What clusterfuck? JaneyVee May 2016 #4
Oh, glad you worked that out for us. Vote2016 May 2016 #6
The above message was brought to you by Tin Ear - Betty Karlson May 2016 #5
The level of wrong raises the question whether it grows from ignorance or dishonesty Vote2016 May 2016 #8
Or from David Brock? Betty Karlson May 2016 #9
Brock is more clever in his deceptions. Vote2016 May 2016 #14
Stop looking for leaders, be one. JaneyVee May 2016 #11
This! grossproffit May 2016 #20
Great slogan. But your candidate still sucks. Betty Karlson May 2016 #21
I am pretty sure this is not going to happen - djean111 May 2016 #3
I agree with your analysis. SamKnause May 2016 #10
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are in the process of realignment. The left-right Vote2016 May 2016 #15
I only hope they're too late. Bernie supporters have seen a new way forward riderinthestorm May 2016 #16
Our government does not fear blowback from its citizens. SamKnause May 2016 #17
This is a test of leadership. A nominee who can't deal with a bunch of hippies won't bring "to heel" Vote2016 May 2016 #13
EPIC FAIL of the leadership test Attorney in Texas May 2016 #19
Well Said.. appreciate this summation, n/t 2banon May 2016 #7
Well done. SamKnause May 2016 #12
Very Well Summarized Attorney in Texas May 2016 #18
 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
2. I'm running a downballot campaign. That won't help fix the problem building in Philadelphia. I'm not
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

worried about my local ballot. I'm worried that DWS is creating a clusterfuck for Philadelphia and there is nobody capable or strong-willed enough to stop it.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. How is it DWS fault? What clusterfuck?
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

The convention will go as planned as it does every prez election.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
5. The above message was brought to you by Tin Ear -
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

telling off young whippersnappers since the dawn of Third Way.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. I am pretty sure this is not going to happen -
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016
If there is meaningful party rules reform, a progressive platform, a ticket with a progressive VP nominee, and a useful roll for the FDR-Sanders-Warren wing of the party at the convention and beyond, there will be a greater degree of unity.


The attitude right now from DWS is STFU, we are changing the rules so this will NOT happen - and where else ya gonna go, suckers?!

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
10. I agree with your analysis.
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:30 PM
May 2016

There will not be another election campaign like this.

They will tighten control of social media.

Voter suppression laws will increase.

The DNC will change their rules to prevent a repeat.

Bernie has proven what can be accomplished without the

global corporations, the CEO's, Wall Street, lobbyists, and

big oil and gas.

He has gotten further then anyone could have dreamed, including

Bernie himself.

The establishment will never let this happen again.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
15. The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are in the process of realignment. The left-right
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

distinction is giving way to a populist-elitist distinction.

Trump will define Hillary as the candidate of the elite (with Hillary's complicity) and will try to take the mantle of the populist. This will not play out well for us in 2016 and beyond.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
16. I only hope they're too late. Bernie supporters have seen a new way forward
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

Without the old restraints and usual channels.

I can't see how they muzzle social media which has been crucial for fundraising, networking, GOTV, and organizing participants.

I have wondered at the almost frantic insistence here and from the Clintons and the DNC that Bernie will not win11!!!1 I think they know old partisan methods are finished. Its the 99% v the 1%ers. The establishment v the rest of us. The growing number of Independents v the parties etc etc.

If they try to stuff this genie back in the bottle there's going to be enormous blowback.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
17. Our government does not fear blowback from its citizens.
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

We police our country like we police the world.

Any leftist movement is ALWAYS quashed.

Not only quashed in this country, but we quash

leftist movements all over the globe.

The U.S. is not what it advertises itself to be.

It crushed me when I came to that realization !!!

I have cried many times since learning the true history of my country.

I was so grateful when Bernie mentioned some of our history

in the debates.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
13. This is a test of leadership. A nominee who can't deal with a bunch of hippies won't bring "to heel"
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

the "criminal element" she's been warning us about much less Republicans in congress or world leaders with an anti-American agenda.

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