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1. Won't affect anyone here, but doesn't look good.This isn't Rasmussen, NBC owners have donated to HRC

[winter is coming]

11. ^^ This. My first thought on seeing the Rasmussen poll was, "I wonder if this

is a bogus, or the start of a trend we'll see reflected in other polls."

[patsimp]

2. Could this be because bernie is attacking Hillary, but she is not attaching him?

[NorthCarolina]

5. No,

Hillary is just a seriously flawed establishment candidate competing in an anti-establishment election cycle.

[reformist2]

6. Queen Hillary isn't attacking Bernie. But every one of her minions are viciously going after him.

And his supporters, I need to add. None of it is working.

[patsimp]

10. scary that someone who insults a candidate with the queen sarcasm can say that her

supporters are vicious towards him.

This primary has been such an eye opener for me on who is all on the left.

[reformist2]

35. Wow. Zoom in on my use of "queen", but ignore the lies of DWS, Ralston, etc. etc.

[vintx]

71. Par for the course from her supporters.

[Merryland]

45. you call that vicious?

God forbid she takes the nomination & be ready for what Trump flings at Her Majesty.

[dana_b]

23. No because he's not ATTACKING her

he's campaigning and telling the TRUTH - that's not attacking.

[mindwalker_i]

69. Bernie is attacking Hillary

Hillary is a victim. Yet she's strong, and she can beat Trump even though the polls (which are shit) say otherwise.

Hillary supporters need to post some more polls and stats about how she's winning. That will tingle their pleasure centers and make them feel good again.

[DCBob]

3. Large chunk of Sanders voters go to Trump...

"just 66 percent of Democratic primary voters preferring Sanders support Clinton in a matchup against Trump (compared with 88 percent of Clinton primary voters who favor Sanders in a hypothetical general-election contest)."

What is wrong with those Berners?? Shockingly stupid.

[patsimp]

12. enlightened spelling

[treestar]

30. Because you are more into the battle with Clinton supporters

than voting in your own interest.

[Fumesucker]

90. In fact you might say that the BernieBros suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, yes?

I mean it's classic, we hate those on our side and love those who actually want to hurt us.

We are a mess, it's no wonder we are misogynistic, latte drinking, racist, purple shirt wearing, elitist, poor, volvo driving unicorn wishers looking for free stuff.

I got to admit though it's sometimes hard to focus totally on politics with all the young millennial babes chasing after my broke down old BernieBro ass. My Feel the Bern T shirt gets me almost as much female attention as my cute doggie.

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[DCBob]

62. I wouldnt care what anyone said, I would never ever vote for Trump.

[thesquanderer]

14. re: "What is wrong with those Berners?? Shockingly stupid."

The Sanders supporters who are with him mostly for his more left-ish policies will vote for Hillary. The Sanders supporters who are with him more because they are drawn to a more anti-establishment candidate can see it as a tougher choice.

It's a double-edged sword... Bernie has more appeal than Hillary outside the Dem base, but those voters outside the Dem base cannot be so easily counted on to automatically support the Dem in November.

[patsimp]

17. if someone is truly a bernie supporter, trump would be the worst thing for them

there is no possible way that a Bernie supporter should be even considering trump.

and if they do, were they really liberal or progressive?

[treestar]

31. Which makes it quite questionable the claim they are purer

progressives than the rest of us.

[hellofromreddit]

43. That because if Sanders had never been in the race those would never had been democrat voters.

He pulled them away from Trump. If he leaves, they just go back to where they're from.

[DCBob]

63. I doubt that.

Trump and Sanders represent nearly complete opposites.

[hellofromreddit]

73. Sanders: "The system is broken, I will fix it."

Trump: "America is broken. I will make America great again."

Clinton: "This is fine. I'm OK with this."

[DCBob]

82. Well the "fix" is totally opposite.

[hellofromreddit]

83. You're right, but lots of people don't look that hard or just think any fix beats no fix.

[DCBob]

84. Some truth to that no doubt.

But those people can be educated and over time will realize Trump is a complete lunatic and a fraud.

[hellofromreddit]

85. Don't forget that tens of millions voted to reelect Bush. Plenty will never see Trump as a nut.

Underestimating Trump is extremely dangerous. He already has a fair chance of winning the GE, and his odds are trending up right now.

[DCBob]

88. Trump is dangerous and I will never underestimate the ignorance of the American voters but..

I do believe most will come to realize his true colors by November.

The only thing that could change that would be some sort of terrorist attack just prior to the election.. heaven forbid.

[trudyco]

56. Do you mean they would vote for trump?

Or that they simply won't vote for Hillary?

To me, there is a difference. I didn't think that way with Nader, tried to convince my brother not to vote for him. This time, though, I've done the research and realized it really is corporatist versus the rest of us. And unbridled capitalism is way too corrupt for me. There are three major problems with Hillary, to my mind:
1) She is at best somebody who engaged in gross negligence with our national security while SOS. At worst, she thinks she's above the law and ran State and the Clinton Foundation like a mob racket - being the center of an FBI investigation is seriously bad;
2) She, or somebody in her camp, is tampering with the primaries. Computer vote counting fraud is highly likely. Purging, caging and flipping, officials in positions within the voting system required to be neutral are not and actively getting her more delegates, hiring people to use propaganda on social websites, bribing the super delegates, skirting the edge of legality with her Victory Fund/local DNC collusion, etc. Both legal and ethical questionability I'd only seen on the Bush side before;
3) Her husband's record on NAFTA, Welfare Reform, 3 Strikes/tougher prison sentences for crack versus cocaine, HUD under Andrew Cuomo which set up the subprime debacle, Glass-Steagall repeal. All of these are more reminiscent of a moderate Republican and I'm a Democrat. She has said he'd be very active and her ties with WallStreet and other big business along with her warmongering that enriches the Industrial Military Complex makes it obvious she would continue the Republican corporatist agenda. Even the Koch brothers said they would back her.

So I'm a Bernie Sanders voter and right now I feel compelled to not vote for her. She is not a Democrat. She is an Oligarch enabler, only interested in herself and her donors. If she is in office we will get some very minor concessions and she will make some to do about how she held the evil Republican Empire at bay, but she will make some disastrous "hard choices" that will further destabilize our country and the world. I don't understand how any real Democrat would back her, at least not anybody here on DU who knows what she is capable of. She doesn't act like a Democrat. Why should I vote for her?

[DCBob]

64. Actually Im not entirely sure but its almost as bad regardless.

[Scuba]

7. If Hillary's supporters really cared about SCOTUS they'd encourage her to drop out.

[hack89]

15. Why?

You think May GE polls are accurate?

[Scuba]

18. That's what they encouraged Bernie to do a year ago.

[hack89]

22. Which was wrong because early GE polls are shit

Agree?

[pangaia]

27. The MONEY post !!!

[hack89]

13. Please show us the historic accuracy of May GE polls

So we can put this into context. Thanks in advance.

[hack89]

19. I don't pay attention to national polls

During the primaries - state polls are the only ones that matter.

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. The only energized democrats who support Clinton are in states that will vote for Trump.

Blue and purple state democrats are depressed and demoralized. The turnout will be low in blue states. It would not surprise me for Trump to take Washington and/or Oregon.

[Merryland]

33. "energized"

immediately reminded me of Bill's current girlfriend & neighbor, recipient of $1 million loan to her home insulation company, who is referred to as the "energizer bunny" by the Secret Service. And don't tell me voters find this shit acceptable.

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. I tend to not read up on the gossip stuff, but that was pretty amazing.

First time I've heard of her. This election is gonna hurt.

[Ned_Devine]

53. Oh man, that Energizer story is rough.

I just read up on it. Trump has already jumped on that story. It's definitely not the road Bernie would take, but is no doubt an angle Trump will. No doubt.

[mindwalker_i]

72. But, but, but the Clintons have been FULLY VETTED (tm)

[dana_b]

21. But by all means, Dems, go ahead and continue to push the one who will probably lose

[Merryland]

29. Bernie will be our nominee and beat Trump handily. eom

[dana_b]

36. from your lips...

I actually do pray that you're right.

[Merryland]

48. I think the continuing significant polls that show her weakness against Trump will be her downfall..

NBC, Washington Post are significant.

[wundermaus]

24. I am a second generation Californian and i just voted for Bernie...

If Hillary wins the Democratic party nomination, we can all kiss the general election good bye. Bernie is the last gasp between democracy and fascism. Hillary has done such a good job representing her moneyed interests while saying what ever it takes to pander to the popular interests that she will lose the election to a protest candidate like Donald.

There is a good chance California will not go for a Bernie win but that is because of the immense power of the media here to brainwash the general electorate to vote for Hillary. In California, it is all about media repetition. With Hillary and Donald getting the bulk of media exposure, Bernie gets only token coverage here. I hope he wins, but I honestly doubt that will be the case. So, in all likelihood, Donald will be our next president. I just want all my fellow citizens to consider the consequences of what that entails while supporting Hillary. Is supporting her really a smart choice given this most likely result? Really, seriously, is that the choice you want to make given the most likely and catastrophic result?

Think about this carefully, Hillary supporters. Bernie is not the spoiler here. Hillary is the fly in your chardonnay and the last nail in the coffin of democracy.

[dana_b]

42. She may get media coverage but where I live it's all about Bernie

I live in San Jose and all I see are Bernie signs and when I go out (I always have my Bernie button on) people like to talk about him. I could be wrong in that Hilary people are just quieter but it's what we're experiencing.

[wundermaus]

66. Thank you for your reassuring reply.

That is most certainly not the case in southern California. It's Hillary and Donald on a continuous 24/7 wash and rinse mass media cycle. Bernie buttons and bumper stickers are all but non existent. I just hope and pray Bernie breaks the mass media sound barrier and thunders across the state with a victory. That would be a miraculous achievement! (Thinking it may be time for me to start heading north.)

[Cobalt Violet]

25. it's her turn! We have to jump off a cliff!

WTF!

[imagine2015]

32. Super delegates are certainly having second thoughts about making that jump.

If they are smart and not suicidal.

[reformist2]

38. And many superdelegates realize that Trump won't tolerate the rigging that Bernie did...

Trump knows all about rigging... he made his fortune in casinos, for cripes sakes!

[Merryland]

26. I think she has a snowball's chance

if she were to SEEN running into a burning house & bringing the baby out safely.

[CrowCityDem]

28. And this is why Bernie MUST tell his people to vote for Hillary in the fall.

No more of those "lesser of two evils" garbage like he was spouting today. The more he tears her down, the more that segment of his supporters will never come around and do the right thing. It's incumbent on him to make it clear that Trump is the real enemy.

[reformist2]

39. Nope. It's up to Hillary to make some good faith gestures, like going after DWS for starters...

[Merryland]

51. and then dropping out herself.

[CrowCityDem]

55. In '08 it was the loser's responsibility to unite the party. Why not Bernie? Sexism?

[Merryland]

50. And this is why Hillary MUST drop out - she is LOSING to Trump

and Bernie is BEATING Trump. Not sure why Bernie should be asked to prop up a loser.

[imagine2015]

52. They are not robots. They won't vote for the former Wall Street Senator if Bernie snaps his fingers.

They feel no loyalty to the Democratic party because are independents like 42% of the electorate.

You can't win the presidency without the support of independents.

They will only vote for the Democratic candidate if that candidate is the one they support, Bernie.

They are the millions of voters want to end corporate and Wall Street control of the government and political system.

So they will not vote for Trump or Secretary Clinton.

Senator Sanders has been treating Hillary with respect and kid gloves. He's been incredibly easy on her.

Trump won't be so kind and gentle to Hillary if she captures the nomination.

Trump will crush Clinton in a general election.

[CrowCityDem]

58. Obama lost Indies in 2012. Thanks for playing.

[Cobalt Violet]

60. Her supporters got us into this mess by not accepting the fact that she is extremely unlikable.

They supported her anyway. So they should tel her to drop out!

Don't blame Bernie and his supporters. Don't make it our responsibility to do something while you still prop up such a flawed candidate.

[jeff47]

74. Once again, a Clinton supporter completely misunderstands Sanders supporters.

We do not support Sanders. We support a set of policies that Sanders also supports.

We are not his footsoldiers, awaiting our orders.

[CrowCityDem]

77. And if you support any of what he says, you can't possibly vote in a way that helps Trump win.

[jeff47]

80. And yet more misunderstanding.

Convincing Sanders supporters to not vote for Trump does not automatically convince Sanders supporters to vote for Clinton.

You're going to have to actually do that second part. And after a year of Clinton supporters calling us racist, misogynist neckbeards, best of luck to you.

[CrowCityDem]

81. It's not a misunderstanding. If you don't vote to keep Trump out, you're no progressive.

Letting a guy like that win, because you don't want to vote for "the lessor of two evils", is no moral position. You don't get to watch the world crumble and feel good because you didn't vote for anyone.

Face it, there are two parties that win elections. If you don't vote for one, you're helping the other win. Even Bernie says he will do everything he can to stop Trump. So why wouldn't you listen to him and do the same?

[jeff47]

86. Nope, it is.

You are acting as if 1) there are only two blanks on the ballot, and 2) every voter is required to go to the polls.

Neither one is true.

Again, you need to actually convince Sanders supporters to vote for Clinton. 'Cause there are other people to vote for that are not Trump. And the tactic of attacking Sanders supporters is going to make that task much, much harder. So please, continue with insisting only you know what a "true progressive" is.

You don't get to watch the world crumble and feel good because you didn't vote for anyone.

The city of Miami is going to be destroyed by the ocean. Much of the southwest is going to be rendered uninhabitable by drought. Famines like the one that triggered the Syrian civil war are becoming the norm, and are creating a world filled with war, suffering and strife.

We don't want to watch the world burn. But we know it is already on fire. And it is long past time where an incremental, private-industry-driven tax incentive plan is even remotely good enough. For those of us who will live long enough.

[CrowCityDem]

87. It's simple; either Clinton wins or Trump wins. Who are you going to help get elected?

[jeff47]

89. No, it isn't that simple. 2016 is not the last election.

The DLC wing of the party has spent the last 40 years helping the Republicans coat everything with shit.

If we have one additional pile to clean up, that's not really a big difference. Especially if it gets politicians to realize we don't want more shit coating.

Once again, you need to convince people to vote for Clinton. If you can not make your case without referring "Trump", you are failing. Voting for Jill Stein is voting against Trump. You need to turn those votes for Stein into votes for Clinton. And shouting "TRUMP!!!!!" does not do that.

Also, you entirely ignored the second part of my post. Continuing to demonstrate you do not understand at all.

[treestar]

34. If these were true and accurate

it would only prove Bernie's supporters are not as progressive as some tend to claim. They are not Democrats and not more progressive than we are, at least, a good number of them.

[treestar]

46. If Bernie has supporters that would vote for Trump or allow him to win by not voting

then those supporters are not progressives. So Bernie's support is not made up entirely of progressives. Some may be Libertarians and others who want to blow up "the Establishment" without regard to whether it is progressive or not.

[treestar]

67. Hilary did lose to Obama in 2008

what has that got to do with the fact that BS supporters are not all progressives? Hillary's did mostly switch to support of Obama, as she did.

[hollowdweller]

54. They are independents and some republicans.

At least from people I have talked to there are a small number of republicans and a larger amount of independents who like Bernie because he is not rich, speaks his mind, and is against free trade.

I feel sure that ALL the democrats who vote for Bernie will vote Hillary in the general. However the republicans and independents will never vote for Clinton for a variety of reasons. Of the ones I talked to, don't like the whole royal family succession thing....hate her gun control focus.......speeches to Wall Street undermine her populist rhetoric...I know a lot of libertarian leaning people who won't vote for her because they think she's too much of a hawk.

So I think her support among Democratic voters is solid however the non dems crossing over that give Sanders the edge over Trump for sure will not vote for her.

Clinton will have to make up that 5 to 10% somewhere else. I thought it would be rich republicans who are socially progressive but they seem to be coalescing behind Trump even though Clinton would probably represent the rich better than Trump.

[treestar]

68. Exactly. Bernie doesn't get just progressives

which means the guilt by association thing put on Hillary applies to them too, and they associate with libertarians and republicans. I recall the boast that Bernie could get more Republicans, from the very progressives who pretend to be more pure than the rest of us.

[jeff47]

75. This. (nt)

[imagine2015]

59. Hillary has supporters that would vote for Trump or allow him to win by not voting.

That's true with both Clinton and Bernie.

So what's your point?

[treestar]

70. Not true. Hillary supporters do not threaten to not vote for Bernie

if he won. He is not going to win so that point is not relevant. The point is that a lot of time we are told Bernie is more progressive, yet his support does not come from just progressives. It comes also from people who are not progressive, that is, those who don't care if Trump wins or would help him.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Yep. And, it's all his fault that people like him bettter than Trump or Hillary.

He'll certainly be blamed for his popularity and for running if Hillary loses.

[Kilgore]

57. Never ever underestimate Trump

We do so at our own peril!!!

[beachbum bob]

61. zero national vetting of sanders....don't wonder why? He be destroyed in 4 weeks

once they turn the canons on him....

just too bad he has LOST I guess...maybe next time

[jeff47]

76. So the Clinton campaign is utterly incompetent?

You'd think if Sanders were so easy to destroy, they'd have done so by now.

Instead, they're lying about throwing chairs.

[Gormy Cuss]

65. At this stage any single poll isn't worth much, however

there are two at the link showing that the Clinton-Trump match up is frighteningly close. IMHO that means the DNC had better be working furiously on platform changes to bring in as many Sanders voters as possible.

[jeff47]

78. We're up to around 6 polls with similar results, IIRC.

IMHO that means the DNC had better be working furiously on platform changes to bring in as many Sanders voters as possible.

I don't see how this would work. Clinton has a reputation of saying whatever is expedient in the moment, and then doing whatever she wants later. The most recent example being her going back on her word about the CA debate. That means any promises via the platform will not be believed.

In addition, that same track record makes it extremely difficult for Clinton to get the independents and liberal Republicans that make the difference in these polls. She can't fix 20 years of history in 5 months, especially with her untrustworthy numbers.

As I said about a year ago, Clinton is an extremely dangerous candidate for our party.

[AzDar]

79. K & R

[NorthCarolina]

93. Hillary will not be 45. -nt-