2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPolicy-wise, would President Hillary Clinton actually be a significant difference from Obama?
for all the sturm and drang about Hillary, wouldn't she basically be status quo to what we have now?
Or do a lot of people feel she is worse than Obama?
I'm honestly curious.
merrily
(45,251 posts)and he is no necon. So he is much safer at the helm that she would be.
"Honestly curious" Anyone who asks a question is curious, duh, but they usually have some reason to be curious. However, based on your post, your OP has nothing to do with curiosity. Your mind was made up before you post. You were not sincerely seeking information with an open mind. You are not alone. I can't remember the last time I saw an OP with words to the effect of "honest question" that was actually an honest question.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I had some thoughts that she is more of a war hawk than Obama, but I wasn't convinced. I was curious what other people would say.
I also think it's possible that she had to act like hawk to get to where she is, and maybe she'll be more of a peacemaker as president. I certainly hope so. OTOH, Obama campaigned as more of an antiwar candidate and his presidency has been one fucking long war.
merrily
(45,251 posts)ambition to be President? Do you really think that is an acceptable reason to advocate for a war?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I don't think she did it because she wanted to be president though. I think it was a matter of who she was listening to, and her general American exceptionalism mindset.
merrily
(45,251 posts)"I also think it's possible that she had to act like hawk to get to where she is, and maybe she'll be more of a peacemaker as president."
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Though I suppose you could say:
"I also think it's possible that she thought she had to act like hawk to get to where she is".
With the general idea being that acting like a warhawk in Washington is a way to succeed. Certainly, warhawks in Washington never seem to suffer for their views.
OTOH, maybe she really just like war. I don't know.
At minimum, Obama seems awfully blase about all the killing he's promoted as president. Does he secretly enjoy it? Who knows.
I do know that being in the White House fucks with people's heads.
gordianot
(15,234 posts)Compared to Hillary Obama is non profit. Reckless is not in the Obama vocabulary.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)She will either be the next Obama or to his right or to his left.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I'd take a 3rd Obama term in an instant.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)We must preserve, protect, and strengthen these lifelines.
Hillary will:
Fight any effort to privatize or weaken Medicare and Social Security, and expand Social Security for todays beneficiaries and generations to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more.
Reform our health care system to incentivize and reward quality care.
Demand lower prices for prescription drugs for seniors receiving Medicare.
Expand Social Security benefits for widows and those who took time out of the paid workforce to care for a child or sick family member.
I won't cut Social Security. ... I'll defend it, and I'll expand it.
Hillary Clinton, February 5, 2016
Throughout her career, Hillary has spoken out for seniors and stood up for Medicare and Social Security, and she is committed to preserving, protecting and strengthening these lifelines for today's seniors and for future generations. Seniors have paid into these programs for a lifetime, and they've earned those benefits when they retire.
Now, I will also defend Social Security and Medicare from the efforts of the Republicans to privatize both of them. When I was in the Senate, George Bush came up with a privatization plan. Some of you might remember that. It would have been a disaster. And we defeated it. As your president, I will defend it. I will not let anybody think that they can privatize it. But we're going to have to make sure that we shore it up so that it is there not just for those who are currently recipients but for generations to come.
HILLARY CLINTON, october 28, 2015
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I recall lots of hyperventilating by folks predicting such cuts, but I don't recall them actually happening.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Thank you in advance.
SamKnause
(13,088 posts)President Obama is too far to the right for my taste.
The Republican party was over taken by the Tea Party.
The Democratic party swerved to the right in the name of
bipartisanship.
The U.S. at the present time has no party that represents
the left, or the needs of the citizenry.
The U.S. government has failed the citizenry of this country.
Global corporations, Wall Street, and The Military Industrial
Complex have all the representation that money can buy.
The 99% have zero representation.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Less popular than Bush, at Bush's low points. And she's already off to a grand start, in that direction.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts),
cali
(114,904 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Those who hated the Obama presidency will hate the Hillary presidency.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Bernie's most vocal DU support comes from folks who spent the entire Obama presidency with their hair on fire.
apnu
(8,749 posts)Biden didn't run after being a bit of a flirt, so Hillary is trying to run like she's Veep.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)as trump would destroy the last 60 years of gains especially with a conservative congress and a supreme court he can pack with mini-scalia's
if sanders supporters want that for their future we should truly pray for their souls
lostnfound
(16,162 posts)http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8741148/Dick-Cheney-heaps-praise-on-Hillary-Clinton.html
While he wouldn't say that Mrs Clinton would have made a better president than Mr Obama, [Cheney] said: "Perhaps she might have been easier for some of us who are critics of the president to work with."
"I have a sense that she's one of the more competent members of the current administration and it would be interesting to speculate about how she might perform were she to be president," he said.
He said Mr Obama "has been not very effective, frankly, especially in the economic arena."
apnu
(8,749 posts)He's a criminal and an asshole who should be in jail.
He's also an idiot. Obama is very easy to work with, ask anybody who isn't a racist "party of 'NO'". He's always tried to be a coalition builder and has always saved a spot at the negotiation table for the Republicans because that's what the friggin' President is supposed to do.
Cheney is a moron talking like that. But what else is new? He's always had his head up his ass and made up bullshit to fit his warped world view.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Obviously what policies a candidate wants matters, for some value of "matters", but just in terms of actual outcomes you're going to see pretty much the same thing no matter what Democrat is in the White House.
merrily
(45,251 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,021 posts)far inferior in temperament, quicker and easier to lie, and more bellicose.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She's a neocon, Obama is not. So, American military involvement in the middle east and elsewhere would increase.
She's an out and out corporatist, Obama is not (so much). Economic policy would swing even farther to the right, granting big businesses more and more power. Deregulation would accelerate. She'd work hard to please her big money sponsors.
Hillary would be far worse than Obama in foreign policy and economic policy.
David__77
(23,335 posts)Advocacy of such things as "no fly zone" against the Syrian government is troubling to me.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)he regrets it. But economically, I don't think there's much difference.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)So far, she has been more of a war hawk than Obama, who campaigned as more anti-war. I just wonder if it's possible she'll be somewhat less pro-war in office or possibly even worse.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)samsingh
(17,593 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The US is extremely individualistic and oriented toward the Cult of Personality, which leads to many folks greatly overestimating the power and influence of individual actors.
The POTUS doesn't create systems so much as operate within them. It takes mass movements to alter systems.
While unforeseen events (and some Congressional changes) will take place, a Clinton Administration would likely be an extension of the Obama Administration. Those who are pro-Obama but anti-Clinton really don't make much sense. People seem to confuse style (and personality) with substance.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Her one sided approach to solving the Israeli-Palestinian situation is vastly different than Obama.
There's a reason Obama ran against her - two very different visions of America.
Obama- was Hope and Change which became Executive Orders to get around an intransigent congress
HRC - Begins with, "No, we can't, except incrementally". Hawkish foreign policy
I see Obama as a moderate and neoliberal on trade. HRC is also a neoliberal in terms of trade, but a neoconservative in foreign policy, and that's where I draw the line. I will NEVER vote for a neoconservative in foreign policy. I hate voting for a neoliberal trade policy but would vote the lesser of two evils in that regard. The foreign policy is the deal breaker.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... your response is close to what I think I expect her to be more Hawkish than Obama.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)she would be WORSE, no doubt. The Iran agreement (and all advances we have made on that front) would go by-by if Clinton had her druthers. Clinton's love affair with Bibi would be even MORE dangerous now that he has a new, crazy-ass defense minister Avigdor Lieberman.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)he acts like he doesn't like what Netanyahu is doing but then does nothing about it and supports them as much as possible in what they do.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)That, in and of itself, is MAJOR. The change of our stance on Iran would have never happened without Obama. Same with Cuba. He also refused to go all-in with taking out Assad like Bibi wanted. He has not been perfect by FAR, but he has been far better than most recent Presidents in my memory on Israel.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)the end, and the Iran hysteria was clearly over-blown from the beginning.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Same ones who hate Clinton.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Obama is not that different.