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CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:46 PM May 2016

Once Again, Hillary Cannot Remain True To Her Word... Declines PROMISED Debate With Bernie Sanders

in California. Amazingly, some still cannot understand why people cannot bring themselves to trust her....

Remember when Hillary had promised a 4th Presidential Debate with her opponent Bernie Sanders back when she wanted a debate in New Hampshire?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton on Monday declined an invitation from Fox News to participate in a debate with rival Bernie Sanders in California before that state's June 7 primary.

Clinton's decision was quickly criticized by Sanders. (And deservedly so....)

"I am disappointed but not surprised by Secretary Clinton's unwillingness to debate before the largest and most important primary in the presidential nominating process," he said in a statement.

"Democracy, and respect for the voters of California, would suggest that there should be a vigorous debate in which the voters may determine whose ideas they support," he said. "I hope Secretary Clinton reconsiders her unfortunate decision to back away from her commitment to debate."


Bill Sammon, Fox News vice president and Washington managing editor, said the decision was unfortunate.

"Naturally, Fox News is disappointed that Secretary Clinton has declined our debate invitation," he said, "especially given that the race is still contested and she had previously agreed to a final debate before the California primary."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/de928d9ee52442f39d2904a581feb0bb/clinton-campaign-declines-invitation-california-debate

Maybe if a a network offers Bernie a Town Hall... she'll come running back to accept that .... She is afraid to go toe to toe with Bernie one more time because...well there may be some surprises in the interim.... See NY Times article last week... hint "Embarrassing"
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Once Again, Hillary Cannot Remain True To Her Word... Declines PROMISED Debate With Bernie Sanders (Original Post) CorporatistNation May 2016 OP
naturally fox is disappointed she avoids their attempt to partner with bernie to destroy her lol nt msongs May 2016 #1
Point Missed Here! Hillary Is Solely Responsible For Where She Resides In The Court Of Public... CorporatistNation May 2016 #17
Yeah Demsrule86 May 2016 #43
. Loudestlib May 2016 #28
Anywhere, anytime... SeattleVet May 2016 #80
HILLARYOUS! CALIFORNIANS... DO NOT MATTER TO HILLARY! 'CAUSE... IT'S ALL ABOUT HILLARY! CorporatistNation May 2016 #94
FOX held a Dem townhall a few months ago. pinebox May 2016 #47
It's got nothing to do with Fox ........ she just can't afford, politically, to debate him, period. polly7 May 2016 #52
Time to call the waaahmbulance ... stat SFnomad May 2016 #2
Anytime, anywhere! polly7 May 2016 #51
Nice Addition To The Treasure Trove Of Inconvenient Facts Of Hillary's Own Doing! CorporatistNation May 2016 #91
He can debate the GOP runner up, Ted Cruz. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #3
They could battle for the bronze medal n/t SFnomad May 2016 #6
... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #8
Number 2 says what? fun n serious May 2016 #12
... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #18
The Point Chuckles Is HILLARY CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO KEEP HER WORD! Ya Think Her Fear Of Public Debate CorporatistNation May 2016 #7
She will debate Trump because they are the nominees of their respective parties... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #11
You're A Little Bit Mis-Informed As To WHAT Concludes This Bastardized Process Called The '16 CorporatistNation May 2016 #23
It's over Johnny DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #24
Yep. Been over since March bravenak May 2016 #31
The People Will Do As They Please... You Cannot Force People To Vote ... For This Woman! CorporatistNation May 2016 #95
So be it. fun n serious May 2016 #14
In the NFL they call this the "Prevent Defense". cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author LAS14 May 2016 #66
Yeah, Fox invited her madamesilverspurs May 2016 #4
Ah, And CNN And The MSHRC Network Keep Pouring On The PROPAGANDA! Pumping Hillary... CorporatistNation May 2016 #39
So as a supposed Democrat Demsrule86 May 2016 #44
Problem Is Lack Of TRUTH In Content... BOTH Ways! CorporatistNation May 2016 #92
Yeah sure that's why she participated in their town hall pinebox May 2016 #48
Why should she keep her word? It's not to her political advantage this particular moment Fumesucker May 2016 #5
Because Her Word Is Considered by A Broad Swath of The Population Worthless Because of Past CorporatistNation May 2016 #13
Yup, that is just what fox news wants to do, mend fences between Bernie and Hillary still_one May 2016 #20
That she can't use it to her advantage is an indictment on her strategy. joshcryer May 2016 #27
Plus, her supporters don't seem to care about issues with her integrity anyway. Like tRump shooting JudyM May 2016 #74
There is no point! Like, at all! fun n serious May 2016 #9
23 hides!!! Wow! riderinthestorm May 2016 #19
? Yep. fun n serious May 2016 #25
I will light a candle for fox news. hrmjustin May 2016 #10
Maybe was date conflict with FBI questioning. HooptieWagon May 2016 #15
But of Course... The FBI FRIGGING INVESTIGATION... IS To Be IGNORED AT ALL COSTS BY MSM! CorporatistNation May 2016 #40
How nice you have so much Demsrule86 May 2016 #49
no she won't. No need to. More debates are a waste of time. I have no doubt if Sanders asked still_one May 2016 #16
What YOU Regard As A "Waste of Time" Is VERY IMPORTANT TO MILLIONS Who Are Going To Decide Whether CorporatistNation May 2016 #21
Bernie can go ahead and do as he pleases fun n serious May 2016 #26
Those millions already know who sanders and clinton are, but thanks for your concern. I really still_one May 2016 #33
He is out after the last primary count on it. Demsrule86 May 2016 #50
A Bernie solo town hall on Fox would be hilarious! ContinentalOp May 2016 #36
She's A LIAR... Nothing more, nothing less. AzDar May 2016 #22
Her lying doesn't seem to effect her supporters any more Doctor_J May 2016 #29
Great post! If you really want to know why she will not debate, ask for a election spreadsheet JoeOtterbein May 2016 #32
We'll release those spreadsheets as soon as Bernie ContinentalOp May 2016 #35
And I thought the election was impartial, silly me! JoeOtterbein May 2016 #38
I'm glad Bernie is there to stand up for the people of CA. ContinentalOp May 2016 #34
yes, us poor Californians just don't have anyone to speak up for yes. We are so shy still_one May 2016 #37
Hillary Drops in Public Opinion The More People SEE HER! THAT IS WHY She Is AFRAID To Face Bernie! CorporatistNation May 2016 #41
And this seemingly LITTLE Karma13612 May 2016 #42
Fox News? oberliner May 2016 #45
I agree, she should counter offer with another host. She agreed to the month and state. morningfog May 2016 #56
Yes, agreed oberliner May 2016 #75
A Clinton Administration would act the exact same way. No thanks. nt nc4bo May 2016 #46
When did she promise to do whatever Bernie says? CrowCityDem May 2016 #53
She promised prior to the NH debate. She wanted the NH debate, to get it she promised to subsequent morningfog May 2016 #55
Again; when did she promise to let Bernie set the terms? CrowCityDem May 2016 #57
Prior to the NH debate she promised to a CA debate to take place in May. morningfog May 2016 #58
Has Bernie reached out in good faith to negotiate a time? Or did he set up his own and whine? CrowCityDem May 2016 #60
Bernie didn't propose a time, it was proposed by Fox News. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #61
What grounds? She never agreed to a specific time, place, or network. CrowCityDem May 2016 #63
Good to see you shift your argument. morningfog May 2016 #64
There was no shift. This particular debate was never agreed to. CrowCityDem May 2016 #67
LOL. This entire thread is about Hillary refusing the May California debate. morningfog May 2016 #70
Semantics. The difference between THE debate and A debate. Bernie's mad about the wrong one. CrowCityDem May 2016 #72
Bullshit. She reneged on her explicit agreement to the CA debate. morningfog May 2016 #73
To A debate. She never agreed to this particular one, and you know it. CrowCityDem May 2016 #77
She has refused A debate. WHy are you playing dumb? morningfog May 2016 #78
She promised when he gave her the NH debate she begged for. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #59
The terms were only to have one. She never ceded control of time, place, network. CrowCityDem May 2016 #62
Then let her suggest one Matt_in_STL May 2016 #65
If you want to talk about lying, how about Bernie telling people he's going to win? CrowCityDem May 2016 #68
Yay, deflection!!! Matt_in_STL May 2016 #69
Did you read past the subject line? CrowCityDem May 2016 #71
Sure did and I truly enjoyed your excuses for Hillary's lies Matt_in_STL May 2016 #82
You can't believe a Sanders either, apparently. Bernie's a liar too, you know. CrowCityDem May 2016 #84
So you say Matt_in_STL May 2016 #85
'I'll release my taxes', 'I've never run a negative ad', 'we have a path to the nomination', etc. CrowCityDem May 2016 #86
The more exposure she gets, the lower her approval ratings go. NorthCarolina May 2016 #54
I know, she could've kept herself clean and above the scrim, but really couldn't stop herself MisterP May 2016 #87
She's a joke. Hypocrite Hillary. Joob May 2016 #76
Nothing to gain so why do it... beachbumbob May 2016 #79
That's enough reason not to vote for her no matter how many other reasons there are Time for change May 2016 #81
A wise move by Hillary. kstewart33 May 2016 #83
It doesn't get any clearer than this. . . . . pdsimdars May 2016 #88
Her "Fans" Just Cannot Acknowledge ... THE TRUTH About The "Selected" One! CorporatistNation May 2016 #89
I agree. I am glad she is flexible enough not to feel restricted when being set up for attack. seabeyond May 2016 #90
Considering the CA debate was a scheduled one Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #93

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. Point Missed Here! Hillary Is Solely Responsible For Where She Resides In The Court Of Public...
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:57 PM
May 2016

OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
28. .
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016


"Honestly, I mean, I just believe that this is the most important job in the world, it’s the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. I think it’s an interesting juxtaposition, where we find ourselves. And, you know, I have been willing to do all of that, during the entire process, and people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.”

Hillary Clinton, 2008

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
94. HILLARYOUS! CALIFORNIANS... DO NOT MATTER TO HILLARY! 'CAUSE... IT'S ALL ABOUT HILLARY!
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

BOY SHE MUST HAVE BEEN REALLY SOMETHING... AS A KID...

polly7

(20,582 posts)
52. It's got nothing to do with Fox ........ she just can't afford, politically, to debate him, period.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

Between her legal problems and possibly giving them more ammunition against her, and not having any viable alternatives to those issues he's still fighting for on behalf of millions, she's running scared. The less exposure for her right now, the better.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
51. Anytime, anywhere!
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016


Full video:



"In a Wednesday afternoon statement, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said the Vermont senator has accepted an invitation from Fox News to debate "with the understanding that we can reach mutual agreement on the debate moderators, the format and other details.”

Weaver said both campaigns in January agreed to hold a debate in May in California, adding that the Clinton campaign has “balked at keeping that pledge.”

“More than half way through the month of May, we hope Secretary Clinton will soon make good on her campaign’s commitment and agree to a time and pace for a debate,” Weaver said in the statement.

“There are issues of enormous importance facing the people of California and our nation and the people of our largest state deserve to hear the Democratic candidates [sic] opinions."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280405-sanders-pushes-clinton-for-debate-in-california

(bbm)

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
7. The Point Chuckles Is HILLARY CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO KEEP HER WORD! Ya Think Her Fear Of Public Debate
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

will earn her votes from Bernie supporters? Her failure to keep her word merely reinforces all of the very ample past history that turns everyone off! TRUST IS EARNED... Once again Hillary uses poor judgement! I mean if she cannot debate Bernie... She gonnar runaway from Trump as well?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
11. She will debate Trump because they are the nominees of their respective parties...
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

But Bernie can debate Ted Cruz in a battle of the runner ups.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
23. You're A Little Bit Mis-Informed As To WHAT Concludes This Bastardized Process Called The '16
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

Democratic Presidential Primary... Check out the rules... then get back to me!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
95. The People Will Do As They Please... You Cannot Force People To Vote ... For This Woman!
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

She's quite a bit less than worthy of ANYONE'S TRUST... Especially... MINE!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
30. In the NFL they call this the "Prevent Defense".
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

In the old days of basketball they called it the "four corner" offense and it was the reason for the shot clock.

It's cowardly and it's resulted in just as many losses as it has wins.

Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #7)

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
39. Ah, And CNN And The MSHRC Network Keep Pouring On The PROPAGANDA! Pumping Hillary...
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:32 AM
May 2016

Trashing Trump to ensure Democrats do not stray.... Chris Matthews opining last night that Donald might not want to show his tax returns... because there might be something less desirable for the public to see in there... Yet, the same does not hold true when it comes to Hillary's... TRANSCRIPTS whee she was "selling" WHAT to Goldman Sachs et al... that she would prefer that WE do not see...

Just a little... HYPOCRITICAL... It's called PROPAGANDA!

Demsrule86

(68,030 posts)
44. So as a supposed Democrat
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:23 AM
May 2016

you are angry because CNN and MSNBC have run anti-Trump stories? I call that a win-win...but then I am a Democrat and love it when the other side is bashed by any news organization...not that it would happen on Fox.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
13. Because Her Word Is Considered by A Broad Swath of The Population Worthless Because of Past
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

actions such as this. Her poor judgement causes her to miss a fine opportunity to mend fences... Ah, but despite all of the evidence to the contrary, Hillary still thinks that she ... has run a "clean" campaign...

joshcryer

(62,260 posts)
27. That she can't use it to her advantage is an indictment on her strategy.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

Not on the ability to use it to advantage or not. I can see many ways that it could've been used to her advantage. I'm totally surprised by this. I see no downside from a strategic point of view.

JudyM

(28,982 posts)
74. Plus, her supporters don't seem to care about issues with her integrity anyway. Like tRump shooting
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:07 AM
May 2016

someone, he'd still have his supporters' votes. Sad state of affairs, I don't understand these "her at all costs" Dems. As if ethics just don't matter.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
15. Maybe was date conflict with FBI questioning.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

Between her sworn testimony and debate lines it would be hard keeping her story straight.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
40. But of Course... The FBI FRIGGING INVESTIGATION... IS To Be IGNORED AT ALL COSTS BY MSM!
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:38 AM
May 2016

Though according to the record... Rachel thought that INVESTIGATIONS by the FBI when it came to Republican candidates... in those cases, said investigations eliminated them from consideration for the Republican Presidential Nomination! Double Standard? Yes...

And THIS does not matter either? Nahhhh... NOTHING Matters when it comes to whatever Hillary has been involved with....

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ad3c483d59c9463e9a52ef4bc00351e0/firms-paid-clinton-speeches-have-us-govt-interests

still_one

(91,542 posts)
16. no she won't. No need to. More debates are a waste of time. I have no doubt if Sanders asked
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:57 PM
May 2016

fox they would be very happy to provide a town hall for him.

Bernie declined to speak before AIPAC in person because he had other things to do that he felt had a higher priority, and instead, provided a transcript of his thoughts.

Californians know where the candidates stand on the issues, and realize more debates at this stage are a waste of time.

Of course Fox wants it because it allows them an opportunity to create a "food fight between the candidates", as they did with the republican debates.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
21. What YOU Regard As A "Waste of Time" Is VERY IMPORTANT TO MILLIONS Who Are Going To Decide Whether
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

they will or will NOT vote for her in the General... IF she is in the end... the nominee... Then again, a lot can happen in a month... And Bernard is not going to back off! Just more ammo for him to put to good use. BTW If Bernie is offered a Town Hall ... and she predictably wallows back for a Town Hall... because she won't have to face Bernie... She MUST BE REJECTED and told to go back to her business of ... "hard campaigning..."

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
26. Bernie can go ahead and do as he pleases
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:15 PM
May 2016

There comes a time threats have to be stood up to. It's over. What will Bernie do if we put him on full ignore? NOTHING! Philly riots will only last a day or two, big deal. Hillary will have an excellent VP plus Obama and many others. An endorsement from Bernie doesn't matter anymore.

still_one

(91,542 posts)
33. Those millions already know who sanders and clinton are, but thanks for your concern. I really
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

enjoy all these OPs from folks who don't even live in California, telling Californians they should be offended by Hillary not debating.

Let's just see what happens on June 7

By the way, I do live in California, and have been voting for over 30 years in this state

Demsrule86

(68,030 posts)
50. He is out after the last primary count on it.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

A deal has been struck. He knows the supers won't vote for him... he lost by all measures. This primary is done.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
29. Her lying doesn't seem to effect her supporters any more
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

In fact it doesn't even seem to register with them any more.

JoeOtterbein

(7,694 posts)
32. Great post! If you really want to know why she will not debate, ask for a election spreadsheet
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

...it cannot be proved by the math they talk about so much.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
34. I'm glad Bernie is there to stand up for the people of CA.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

It's rough living in a state with no television, no radio, no press, and no internet access. If we don't have this crucial 10th Democratic debate how will we ever be able to decide which candidate we support? I mean, Sanders has already had his 27 rallies in CA with 27,000 people each, so nearly everyone in CA has seen him speak in person, but who is this Hillary Clinton person? How on earth are we supposed to know who she is and what she stands for unless she agrees to a debate moderated by Fox News?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
41. Hillary Drops in Public Opinion The More People SEE HER! THAT IS WHY She Is AFRAID To Face Bernie!
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:41 AM
May 2016

It's That Wall Street Stuff... It's That Foundation Business... It's That FBI INVESTIGATION!!! It's THE MATTER of TRUST or... NOT!

Just a sampling of WHY She HIDES!!!!! From BERNIE!!!

Karma13612

(4,519 posts)
42. And this seemingly LITTLE
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:42 AM
May 2016

Betrayal of her word will be completely missed by many of her supporters.

Get ready for more betrayal once she sits in the Oval Office.

If Bernie had gone back on his word, there would be hell to pay from the entire MSM and Hillary supporters.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
56. I agree, she should counter offer with another host. She agreed to the month and state.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

June in CA.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
75. Yes, agreed
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

She should propose a debate hosted by someone other than Fox News, though it does not look like she is interested in doing that.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
53. When did she promise to do whatever Bernie says?
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:23 AM
May 2016

If you're going to have a debate, the way you do it is to get the two sides together and negotiate a time and place to have it. Bernie sets up his own, then yells when she decides not to attend. It's the same thing that happened in New York, where Bernie went ahead and jumped the gun by demanding to set the rules. I don't blame her, or anyone else, for not acquiescing to hostage negotiation tactics.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
55. She promised prior to the NH debate. She wanted the NH debate, to get it she promised to subsequent
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

debates in April, May and June. The April debate was in MI. The May debate did not have a place because the parties disagreed. Hillary eventually agreed to Bernie's proposed location: NY. At the time of that the agreement was made, prior to the NH debate, she agreed, promised, to a CA debate in June.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
57. Again; when did she promise to let Bernie set the terms?
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

Look, she isn't going to agree to any debate. At this point, there's no sense in giving Bernie free air time to continue attacking her instead of Trump.

But the talking points out of Bernieland today are ridiculous. There's an air of privilege going around, thinking that it's perfectly normal that they got to make all the demands of the when, where, and network. That's not this works. You get to complain after you made a good faith effort, not before.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
58. Prior to the NH debate she promised to a CA debate to take place in May.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

She agreed to it then. The only terms not agreed to with respect to this date is the exact time and the host.

She agreed to debate Bernie in California prior to June 7.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
61. Bernie didn't propose a time, it was proposed by Fox News.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

He accepted on the grounds that Hillary accepted, which she declined. She has advised she will not honor the debate promise under any schedule. As I said, her word is as good as shit.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
64. Good to see you shift your argument.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

If she doesn't like the time and place, she needs to counter offer, as she did prior to NY debate.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
67. There was no shift. This particular debate was never agreed to.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016

It's a lie to say that rejecting this particular debate is somehow going back on anything.

No, there isn't going to be a debate, since there's no reason to give Bernie free air time to attack her instead of Trump, but the point is that rejecting a specific debate that was never agreed to is not the same as rejecting a debate at all. Stop lying and confusing the two.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
70. LOL. This entire thread is about Hillary refusing the May California debate.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

And you concede that in you last paragraph.

That is the renege.

YOu should apologize to me for lying. She agreed to to a May debate in CA back in February, now she refuses. She is not keeping her word. You are the one trying to sow confusions. Although it is clear that is is just your own confusion.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
77. To A debate. She never agreed to this particular one, and you know it.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

There won't be one for obvious reasons, but if Bernie is going to get this upset, he should at least be mad for the right reasons. Hillary never said she would let Bernie pick the time, place, and network of his liking. It's the same kind of PR stunt he pulled in NY.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
78. She has refused A debate. WHy are you playing dumb?
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

She reneged on ANY debate in CA. Not just his one.

Your double thinking is incredible. You say her denial was to this debate. You admit she agreed to a CA debate (after much pushing) and you say, in the same fucking post that their won't be one.

The simple fact is, which you have conceded: Hillary agreed in Feb to a CA debate. Now she refuses to debate in Feb. She reneged.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
59. She promised when he gave her the NH debate she begged for.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

What part of that are you missing? She also agreed to June, giving her word. But, we know the word of a Clinton is as good as shit once it leaves their curled lips.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
62. The terms were only to have one. She never ceded control of time, place, network.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

This is the same thing Bernie did in NY. He set up his own debate schedule, then yelled when she wouldn't do it exactly the way he wanted. These things are supposed to be negotiated between the camps. That's what the DNC would be for.... if Bernie hadn't burned his bridge with them.

You can complain when Bernie makes a good faith negotiation.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
65. Then let her suggest one
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:47 AM
May 2016

Instead, she has said she will not debate under any circumstances, whether she picks the situation or not. She lied, just as she has her entire career and just as her husband has. But hey, some people eat that shit up with a spoon and ask for seconds.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
68. If you want to talk about lying, how about Bernie telling people he's going to win?
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

You're right, there won't be a debate, and that's entirely Bernie's doing. Listening to him these last few weeks, he's attacking her and her character far more than her does Trump. Why should she, on the verge of winning, let Bernie keep treating her as being worse than Trump? That would be stupid, and you know it.

If Bernie had shifted his focus to talking about his issues, and attacking Trump, we'd be hearing a different story right now.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
82. Sure did and I truly enjoyed your excuses for Hillary's lies
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

If it was the first time she lied, maybe I'd get around it, but she consistently lies and this is just more proof you can't believe a Clinton.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
54. The more exposure she gets, the lower her approval ratings go.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

She probably should just use surrogates for everything, all bowling alley and coffee shop rally's, teeVee appearances, etc, and keep a very low profile. Just stay out of the picture and let the cooperative media sell her candidacy to the public.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
87. I know, she could've kept herself clean and above the scrim, but really couldn't stop herself
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

and her proxies are even worse, and they all can't tell that it's wrecking her against Trump

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
83. A wise move by Hillary.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:49 AM
May 2016

Don't waste time debating Bernie. He's done.

She should spend every waking moment focusing on Trump. At this point, that's all that matters.

Bern will get his moment at the convention.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
88. It doesn't get any clearer than this. . . . .
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016
It's not Bernie's fault she can't tell the truth.





The worst of ANY candidate, Democrat or Republican.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
90. I agree. I am glad she is flexible enough not to feel restricted when being set up for attack.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

Good for her. Just walk away. Much more to accomplish than play Sanders adn fox's stupid ass game.

Rosa Luxemburg

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93. Considering the CA debate was a scheduled one
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

it seems strange for Clinton to bow out. I think she underestimates...

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