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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:55 PM May 2016

Carl Bernstein-- It's devastating for Hillary Clinton "it's a time bomb that has been ticking"

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/735816904724647936

He says he talked to several Democratic leaders recently who are horrified about what she's done to herself with the email scandal.

Will any super-delegates start to get nervous? Seriously!

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Carl Bernstein-- It's devastating for Hillary Clinton "it's a time bomb that has been ticking" (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 May 2016 OP
Don't know how to gauge the saltpoint May 2016 #1
I agree. Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #2
she was down to 18% honest and trustworthy in Thursday's national poll. nt grasswire May 2016 #31
Yep. The electorate is suggesting that saltpoint May 2016 #32
Ok, that is near the point of no return nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
Wait for the Other Shoe to drop... sacto95834 May 2016 #56
I know the loyalists do not want to hear it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #60
I don't think a pardon will be offered Lurks Often May 2016 #71
The pardon means an admission of guilt nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #72
We disagree, but it's a not a big deal Lurks Often May 2016 #73
Agreed, but the average American will be taken by surprise nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #74
I'd be shocked if they haven't wrapped up the deal months ago leveymg May 2016 #81
I do not know when it will drop nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82
IC IG report next. This week maybe. CA primary. Then wham! leveymg May 2016 #83
The party will have to make a choice nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #84
There is no other choice. leveymg May 2016 #85
I have no idea what they are thinking to be honest nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #86
I think they believe they can't lose and already have won. That's a dangerous approach leveymg May 2016 #87
Well, we tend to cycle back and forth every eight years nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #88
It can't be quite that deterministic! But, the electorate is going to vote for leveymg May 2016 #89
Well, not just that nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90
I'm surprised it's that high. Nt Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #64
Expressions of shock by some normally pro-Hill media have been notable senz May 2016 #3
I get the sense that this has been SOP for the Clintons for decades XemaSab May 2016 #4
If foreign policy experience is her strength then arikara May 2016 #21
Mitchell really believed Hillary when she interviewed Hillary on her show. BillZBubb May 2016 #45
And then Berstein said you can read all about in his Hillary book... Henhouse May 2016 #5
Hmmm, ok Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #13
18% favorability pinebox May 2016 #52
Wait till the speech transcripts come out Ferd Berfel May 2016 #69
Her email difficulties have earned harsh saltpoint May 2016 #6
Yes, good analysis. Of course, she could release her super-delegates Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #11
Superdelegates aren't pledged delegates dflprincess May 2016 #27
They're a mercurial bunch, those super delegates. saltpoint May 2016 #51
HRC has less chance of dropping out than I have of becoming queen of England. lindysalsagal May 2016 #61
It's been done by other politicians, I think. SheilaT May 2016 #76
Watching the PBS news hour for a bit last night was interesting Hydra May 2016 #7
Because it's the Trump monster versus the dirty socialist Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #10
Predictwise has her down to only 6chars May 2016 #8
Up from 96%... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #16
tick .... tick .... tick .... countdown to California. imagine2015 May 2016 #9
That's a perfect picture! Alex4Martinez May 2016 #22
Great picture of our next President!! philosslayer May 2016 #53
I saw a documentary about the history of photography kiva May 2016 #55
Well, it's kinda hard not to at least give the appearance KPN May 2016 #62
Any superdelegate actually doing their job... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #12
Indeed Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Tarc May 2016 #36
They will if they have to. It's their sole purpose. tazkcmo May 2016 #39
"the SD's don't care about the base or their silly will" Tarc May 2016 #40
It's the exact same tune I'd be "singing" tazkcmo May 2016 #41
All of the Emailgate nonsense has been known for the entirety of the primary season Tarc May 2016 #65
but it may be the wiser thing to do if the Dems want to win Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #54
We are neither unhinged nor daft. pangaia May 2016 #59
Depends on whose interests they choose to represent. I hope the ones whom are also lobbyists silvershadow May 2016 #37
Joe and Andrea are republicans. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #15
We will not be shook, bro. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #17
No we will not. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #18
They are trying to gaslight us. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #19
"Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump"... OMG.... just a bump? Alex4Martinez May 2016 #20
and with all the asinine lawsuits the Sanders team is pulling in California, I suspect their still_one May 2016 #26
Most of America is off enjoying their three day holiday. eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #23
not me undergroundpanther May 2016 #24
Nor I. Watching Warriors and Thunder. Earlier Giants and Rockies. PufPuf23 May 2016 #25
The superdelegates aren't going to switch. barrow-wight May 2016 #28
We won't know the answer to that until the convention iwannaknow May 2016 #75
We don't need a crystal ball to know that they aren't going to switch. barrow-wight May 2016 #79
The shock and horror of MSM is all feigned. dchill May 2016 #29
The media is craven. The Clintons are powerful. BillZBubb May 2016 #47
He is GOP so it is completely meaningless Demsrule86 May 2016 #30
No. He's a journalist who exposed CIA-Media connection. Octafish May 2016 #38
Tick tock ...time is running out on Hillary. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #66
Carl Bernstein is a Democrat. eom saltpoint May 2016 #77
What exactly has Carl done in the last 40 years? The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #34
If you gave me a punched ticket to take down a crook like Nixon...... nolabels May 2016 #70
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #35
If there's a super delegate defection they won't let Sanders be nominee either Recursion May 2016 #42
Pick someone who didn't run? That would be suicide. BillZBubb May 2016 #44
picking somebody who didn't run is a recipe for disaster, like 1968 Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #48
True, but it's not as bad as picking the guy who took second Recursion May 2016 #49
I disagree, particularly if the person in 1st place is in legal jeopardy Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #50
Please do nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #67
Bernstein is mostly correct. This is a time bomb and the big blast has yet to come. BillZBubb May 2016 #43
The calls for that have started.again watergate parallels... nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #68
I agree. I thought the IG report was much worse than expected. Vinca May 2016 #94
Then they rip the party to shreds and lose anyway. lmbradford May 2016 #46
Agreed 100% pinebox May 2016 #57
Something was taken in this mess, wonder what got nicked? gordianot May 2016 #58
6 billion missing from accounting SwampG8r May 2016 #95
Carl has been after Bill and Hillary for a long time. That is all. Jitter65 May 2016 #63
This morning I was only half awake listening to the BBC. SheilaT May 2016 #78
It was probaly just another Bernie Sanders fever dream. annavictorious May 2016 #80
Interesting experience 2banon May 2016 #92
hmm, wow-- maybe they know something Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #93
Carl Bernstein never really loved her! QC May 2016 #91
LOL Bubry Jun 2016 #96
Why did you dig up an 11-day old post and another 6 day old post? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #97

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
1. Don't know how to gauge the
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

impact just yet, but the difficulty Hillary has had among voters is that she is perceived as pervasively untrustworthy.

This certainly doesn't help her in that area.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
32. Yep. The electorate is suggesting that
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:15 PM
May 2016

the two major parties' frontrunners are not exactly their first-pick favs.

sacto95834

(393 posts)
56. Wait for the Other Shoe to drop...
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

...and then HRC will have no credibility except to her loyal followers and it's not enough to carry her to victory come November.

Once HRC secures the nomination, those Wall Street speeches will start to leak; not all, but enough to do serious damage. When this happens, the unknown becomes even worse in the minds of the public. ~to Mittens refusal to release his tax returns - one imagines worse than probably reality. A bad report from the FBI, even if no indictment is recommended will be the final nail in the coffin.

On the bright side, I do think HRC will pick up some of Bernie's support - the Democratic Party loyalist; but she will fail with the Independents miserably where trust is imperative. One cannot win w/out the Independent vote. Fear of Trump has little effect vs. someone with no credibility. I think this Fall election could have the lowest turnout ever and that favors the pugs.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
60. I know the loyalists do not want to hear it
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:37 AM
May 2016

Why the desperate talk of this is a coup...started yesterday. She will not emerge as the candidate. And it has nothing to do with polling or votes, and all to do with the scandal. I almost expect an LBJ moment

There are talks on background I am sure of how to spend more time with her lawyers. I won't be shocked if a pardon carrot is getting or will be dangled

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
71. I don't think a pardon will be offered
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:58 PM
May 2016

If the FBI's results of their criminal investigation are as serious as we both believe, then I don't think the AG dares offer her a pardon, the political collateral damage would likely be too high. They may offer her a plea deal that allows her to avoid jail time.

One of the reasons I think the investigation has taken so long is that the FBI wants an air tight case on multiple felony charges on both Hillary and some of her aides. Given the time, money and effort, I can't see Comey being ok with a pardon or a slap on the wrist. I would suggest that any attempt to do so would cause Comey to resign in a loud and very public manner and saying something along the lines that there was overwhelming evidence of multiple felonies being committed and the AG and the President have refused to press charges.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
72. The pardon means an admission of guilt
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

Felony conviction equivalent. It would be not popular with the services...but that would be a way to avoid the politics of a trial. It could include a condition to prevent her running. That is why I think it will be dangled. Potential exposure would be life in her case

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
73. We disagree, but it's a not a big deal
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

I think the average American will take a dim view of a pardon being given to Hillary when they know if it had been them who committed the same crime, the average American would be spending quite a bit of time in jail. Combine that with the current dislike of the career politician, the long term implications could be interesting. Regardless, it's interesting watching history being made.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
74. Agreed, but the average American will be taken by surprise
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

Let's not start with hyper partisans. This is a highly technical story.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
81. I'd be shocked if they haven't wrapped up the deal months ago
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

Why wait until the last minute? The basic contours of the case have been known publicly since March 2015. The reason it has taken do long to release the FBI report - which will knock her out - is that Bernie still has a theoretical route to the nomination. After that last piece is in place, the size 14 shoe drops.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
82. I do not know when it will drop
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

But I think soon. This has ahem accelerated. Scandals have a predictable rhythm

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
83. IC IG report next. This week maybe. CA primary. Then wham!
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

Everyone will have had a chance to cast a primary vote. All legal and democratic-like. Who can complain. All the process that's due, and all that. They can confirm the White Knight when she rides into the Spectrum in Philly.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
85. There is no other choice.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

It's either Liz or the Donald. I sure as hell hope we haven't been played about Warren. She's really a huge unknown, particularly about foreign policy.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
86. I have no idea what they are thinking to be honest
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

But at times I wonder if deep down they want to lose

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
87. I think they believe they can't lose and already have won. That's a dangerous approach
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:48 PM
May 2016

One thing is clear from election history since 1968. We should not assume they know what they're doing.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
89. It can't be quite that deterministic! But, the electorate is going to vote for
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

whichever candidate who does the most convincing act of the anti-candidate in 2016. And that isn't Hillary.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
90. Well, not just that
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

The electorate is not going to vote for somebody under investigation

That is leaving the usual inside baseball press. Tne IG report has entered the popular press that soccer moms read. Oopsie

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
3. Expressions of shock by some normally pro-Hill media have been notable
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

thinking particularly of Andrea Mitchell and the Morning Joe crew.

I'm a bit surprised Democratic leaders are surprised -- surely they know how she operates. Maybe they're horrified by how bad it looks.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
4. I get the sense that this has been SOP for the Clintons for decades
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

and like the frogs in the boiling water, all of a sudden they're realizing that they're cooked.

Her big strength so far has been her foreign policy experience, but this just pulls the rug right out from under her.

So many people have been making so many excuses for the Clintons for decades, and all of a sudden, the Empress has no clothes.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
21. If foreign policy experience is her strength then
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

it looks like a bumpy ride on the peace train. That's if she gets selected, and personally I think that looks more unlikely as more time goes by.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
45. Mitchell really believed Hillary when she interviewed Hillary on her show.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

Mitchell accepted Hillary's explanation--which to many of us was foolish. But the IG report laid out all the details and it was clear that Hillary had lied many times. Now Mitchell has flipped on Hillary.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
5. And then Berstein said you can read all about in his Hillary book...
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

Berstein always thinks Democratic leaders are "horrified" by HRC...

Man it is worse then what he said in February about the speech transcripts....

The CNN commentator began his analysis:

There is a huge story going on. I spent part of this weekend talking to people in the White House. They are horrified at how Hillary Clinton is blowing up her own campaign. They are worried that the Democrats could-

He added:


Well, they are horrified that the whole business of the transcripts, the accepting the money, that she could blow the Democrats' chance for the White House. They want her to win. Obama wants her to win. But Sanders has shown how vulnerable she is. These ethical lapses have tied the White House up in knots. They don't know what to do. They're beside themselves. And now you've got a situation with these transcripts a little bit like Richard Nixon and his tapes he stonewalled on and wouldn't release.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
6. Her email difficulties have earned harsh
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

review, including from the chief investigational entity looking into this, but the concern is deeper than a rules violation.

Start with her considerably high unfavorables, then add to it the perception that she will try end-arounds on the rules for secrecy. The perception by many that she is untrustworthy becomes a snare drum if she hands the Republicans (and the media) this email issue, because they're going to bang on it all the way to November.

Hillary Clinton owes the people in the Democratic Party who have heartily endorsed her candidacy a thorough explanation of where things stand, what exactly is still in play, and what might happen. She's letting this drag on and on, and it's becoming toxic.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
11. Yes, good analysis. Of course, she could release her super-delegates
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

Or just drop out for the sake of the country.

dflprincess

(27,990 posts)
27. Superdelegates aren't pledged delegates
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:49 PM
May 2016

They may voice their support for one candidate or another but they can change who they say they'll support whenever they get into their heads to do so.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
51. They're a mercurial bunch, those super delegates.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

I would love to see them eliminated from the process altogether.

lindysalsagal

(20,183 posts)
61. HRC has less chance of dropping out than I have of becoming queen of England.
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

She'd keep her campaign going from a jail cell.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. Watching the PBS news hour for a bit last night was interesting
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

I noticed a definite shift- Hillary is not looking like a good bet to them now...but they all look like they are prepared to choke her down like bad medicine.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
8. Predictwise has her down to only
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

97% chance of winning the nomination, 65% chance of winning the presidency.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
16. Up from 96%...
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

I had a friend, an attorney, who is a member of the Inner Circle. It is the one hundred most prominent trial lawyers in America. John Edwards, who was a terrific and renowned trial attorney was a member. I remember during Bill's 1996 election she was concerned that the special prosecutor, Ken Starr, who was dogging him would derail it. I told her not to worry...

Unless Hills was doing hanky panky with a young intern and then dissemble about it under oath she will be fine.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
55. I saw a documentary about the history of photography
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

and James Brady, Reagan's press secretary, talked about how he never allowed photographers to take pics of Reagan from below. Basically said he kicked them (the photographers) if they tried...and this is why.

KPN

(15,535 posts)
62. Well, it's kinda hard not to at least give the appearance
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

of being taken from below with Hillary. It's the tilt of her head.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. Any superdelegate actually doing their job...
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

...is having second thoughts. Well...if they're doing their ostensible job: preventing a politically-disastrous, damaged candidate from handing the presidency to the GOP. I suspect, however, that many will still be doing the real job of SD's: preventing challenges to the party establishment/Third Way.

To the latter, fuck you very much.

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #14)

tazkcmo

(7,258 posts)
39. They will if they have to. It's their sole purpose.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

And I'm not saying they'll choose Sen Sanders because I believe they'd pick Trump before they do that. They will vote and do what ever is in the best interests of the DNC and only the DNC. That, for now, means Sec Clinton. Even with more bad news on this front (Not an indictment. We don't indict The Beautiful People and there may not be one at all) they might/probably will just stick with her and take their chances.

Maybe VP Biden will get drafted but I don't think he stands any better chance than Sec Clinton, really. So, they'll take their chances and if Trump wins then that's o.k. Not as good as Sec Clinton but they'll still make money.

But, the SD's don't care about the base or their silly will. They were created specifically to go against the base if need be. If they truly fear a Trump presidency they'll override the base in a New York minute. I just don't think they do.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
40. "the SD's don't care about the base or their silly will"
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:06 PM
May 2016

This is not the tune y'all would be singing if Sanders was the pledged delegate leader, hypocrite.

tazkcmo

(7,258 posts)
41. It's the exact same tune I'd be "singing"
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

I don't pretend to speak for anybody but myself but "going against the base" is exactly what the SD's were created for just in case we nominated our weird Aunto Sophia with all the cats or something. To prevent another 1968.

If Sen Sanders had all the SD's and it came to light that he did some stupid shit like this server and Blackberry fixation I'd be cautioning my fellow Sen Sanders supporters that the SD's could still leave if the negative trend continues in spite of the "will of the base" because that's what they're for.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
65. All of the Emailgate nonsense has been known for the entirety of the primary season
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

I'm afraid. The voters have overwhelmingly spoken that it is a non-issue.

And please...if Bernie was the pledged delegate leader and the supers swiped the nomination from him, you'd be screaming bloody murder. Don't kid yourself, or the rest of us.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
54. but it may be the wiser thing to do if the Dems want to win
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

Hillary is under a cloud. Super-delegates should see that. It's not like Bernie is so far behind her either.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
37. Depends on whose interests they choose to represent. I hope the ones whom are also lobbyists
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

can properly separate their loyalties to discern only what is best for our human being-powered democracy.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
15. Joe and Andrea are republicans.
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump.. Superdelagates are not going to flip to Bernie. Lol. He is threatening them and behaving so irresponsibly these days.

Alex4Martinez

(2,176 posts)
20. "Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump"... OMG.... just a bump?
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016
Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump.. Superdelagates are not going to flip to Bernie. Lol. He is threatening them and behaving so irresponsibly these days.


You so funny.

still_one

(91,483 posts)
26. and with all the asinine lawsuits the Sanders team is pulling in California, I suspect their
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:47 PM
May 2016

internal poll numbers are a concern to them or they wouldn't be pulling this garbage lawsuits

PufPuf23

(8,582 posts)
25. Nor I. Watching Warriors and Thunder. Earlier Giants and Rockies.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

Also picked cherries birds didn't get and some weed eating.

Achhoo!

Edit

PS Feel the same way about neo-liberalism etc.

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
28. The superdelegates aren't going to switch.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:49 PM
May 2016

All the hate they've had to endure from the Bernie people? Not a chance they'll switch.

dchill

(38,070 posts)
29. The shock and horror of MSM is all feigned.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:51 PM
May 2016

They've known all along how this COULD play out, but were being told to avoid addressing it. To their utter discredit, that's exactly what they've done. They're beltway insiders who know the news before it's written and edited.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
47. The media is craven. The Clintons are powerful.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:34 PM
May 2016

The media wouldn't touch this until they had a smoking gun. The IG report gave them that. The report has opened the floodgates and the media will now be all over the many paths the emails lead them down. There is a lot in those emails that hasn't come out yet and it's not going to be good for you know who.

Demsrule86

(68,003 posts)
30. He is GOP so it is completely meaningless
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

such desperation..tick tock tick tock..nine days now...bye bye Bernie.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
70. If you gave me a punched ticket to take down a crook like Nixon......
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

even if was the very last thing i ever got do i would be running with it in hand.

Yea, probably not that much in the last forty years but you know what they say about having your ticket punch. Most anybody with any fame would sure to be careful about being around him. Think about it, if you were this person that was part of this duo instrumental in taking down this powerful crook. He probably knows a lot more than we will ever get to hear about but please continue on with your trash talk. Helps people like me think

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
42. If there's a super delegate defection they won't let Sanders be nominee either
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

The only way it wouldn't be political suicide would be for them to block any nomination until all delegates are released and pick somebody who didn't run

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
44. Pick someone who didn't run? That would be suicide.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:26 PM
May 2016

It's either going to be Hillary or Bernie--there the ones who chose to run and put in the effort. If Hillary has to withdraw, it will be Bernie and he'll beat trump like a drum.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
49. True, but it's not as bad as picking the guy who took second
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

That would be worse in terms of the reaction

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
50. I disagree, particularly if the person in 1st place is in legal jeopardy
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

picking Bernie would be far less disruptive to the Dem party than a 3rd person, IMO

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
67. Please do
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

The self destruction will be fun to watch I mean that one.

For the record, I really don't care if your party ends up with Mickey Mouse for President. But ooohhh boy....how to grab party destruction and embrace it! Though I agree, they will do that. The party fears Sanders.

I think I gotta get metric tons of....popcorn though. Will be entertaining as hell.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
43. Bernstein is mostly correct. This is a time bomb and the big blast has yet to come.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

Like most of the inside the beltway talking heads though, he still believes an indictment won't happen. After what was disclosed in the IG report, a recommendation to indict from the FBI is much more likely.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
68. The calls for that have started.again watergate parallels...
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

The same way they first came out in 1973... From small regional partisan papers.

Vinca

(50,080 posts)
94. I agree. I thought the IG report was much worse than expected.
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:06 AM
May 2016

Let's wait and see what we hear the Friday before the 4th of July weekend. It could be the ultimate news dump.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
46. Then they rip the party to shreds and lose anyway.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:31 PM
May 2016

Bernie has almost half of the Dems and he has about 70% of the Independants. Indies are a bigger group of voters than even the Dem or Reps. If they run someone besides Bernie, kiss the party goodbye. There will be mutiny.

gordianot

(15,220 posts)
58. Something was taken in this mess, wonder what got nicked?
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

As I understand it Kerry referred it to Justice himself. This is not just about Hillary being stupid and careless with her server or even having a server.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
78. This morning I was only half awake listening to the BBC.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

Two men were discussing Hillary Clinton. I kept on dozing, so I wasn't following their conversation very closely, but they were discussing her in the past tense, to the point where I thought, "OMG! She's ended her campaign!" I was very surprised when I got up a couple of hours later and she hadn't.

But boy, did they sound like they were conducting a post-mortem on her career.

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