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Sat May 28, 2016, 01:55 PM

 

Carl Bernstein-- It's devastating for Hillary Clinton "it's a time bomb that has been ticking"

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/735816904724647936

He says he talked to several Democratic leaders recently who are horrified about what she's done to herself with the email scandal.

Will any super-delegates start to get nervous? Seriously!

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Reply Carl Bernstein-- It's devastating for Hillary Clinton "it's a time bomb that has been ticking" (Original post)
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 OP
saltpoint May 2016 #1
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #2
grasswire May 2016 #31
saltpoint May 2016 #32
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
sacto95834 May 2016 #56
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #60
Lurks Often May 2016 #71
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #72
Lurks Often May 2016 #73
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #74
leveymg May 2016 #81
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82
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nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #84
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leveymg May 2016 #87
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leveymg May 2016 #89
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senz May 2016 #3
XemaSab May 2016 #4
arikara May 2016 #21
BillZBubb May 2016 #45
Henhouse May 2016 #5
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #13
pinebox May 2016 #52
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #69
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dflprincess May 2016 #27
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SheilaT May 2016 #76
Hydra May 2016 #7
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #10
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Alex4Martinez May 2016 #22
philosslayer May 2016 #53
kiva May 2016 #55
KPN May 2016 #62
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Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #14
Tarc May 2016 #36
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tazkcmo May 2016 #41
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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:57 PM

1. Don't know how to gauge the

impact just yet, but the difficulty Hillary has had among voters is that she is perceived as pervasively untrustworthy.

This certainly doesn't help her in that area.

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #1)

Sat May 28, 2016, 01:59 PM

2. I agree.

 

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #1)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:14 PM

31. she was down to 18% honest and trustworthy in Thursday's national poll. nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #31)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:15 PM

32. Yep. The electorate is suggesting that

the two major parties' frontrunners are not exactly their first-pick favs.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #31)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:15 PM

33. Ok, that is near the point of no return

 

and I am not kidding

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #33)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:25 AM

56. Wait for the Other Shoe to drop...

...and then HRC will have no credibility except to her loyal followers and it's not enough to carry her to victory come November.

Once HRC secures the nomination, those Wall Street speeches will start to leak; not all, but enough to do serious damage. When this happens, the unknown becomes even worse in the minds of the public. ~to Mittens refusal to release his tax returns - one imagines worse than probably reality. A bad report from the FBI, even if no indictment is recommended will be the final nail in the coffin.

On the bright side, I do think HRC will pick up some of Bernie's support - the Democratic Party loyalist; but she will fail with the Independents miserably where trust is imperative. One cannot win w/out the Independent vote. Fear of Trump has little effect vs. someone with no credibility. I think this Fall election could have the lowest turnout ever and that favors the pugs.

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Response to sacto95834 (Reply #56)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:37 AM

60. I know the loyalists do not want to hear it

 

Why the desperate talk of this is a coup...started yesterday. She will not emerge as the candidate. And it has nothing to do with polling or votes, and all to do with the scandal. I almost expect an LBJ moment

There are talks on background I am sure of how to spend more time with her lawyers. I won't be shocked if a pardon carrot is getting or will be dangled

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #60)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:58 PM

71. I don't think a pardon will be offered

 

If the FBI's results of their criminal investigation are as serious as we both believe, then I don't think the AG dares offer her a pardon, the political collateral damage would likely be too high. They may offer her a plea deal that allows her to avoid jail time.

One of the reasons I think the investigation has taken so long is that the FBI wants an air tight case on multiple felony charges on both Hillary and some of her aides. Given the time, money and effort, I can't see Comey being ok with a pardon or a slap on the wrist. I would suggest that any attempt to do so would cause Comey to resign in a loud and very public manner and saying something along the lines that there was overwhelming evidence of multiple felonies being committed and the AG and the President have refused to press charges.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #71)

Sun May 29, 2016, 06:03 PM

72. The pardon means an admission of guilt

 

Felony conviction equivalent. It would be not popular with the services...but that would be a way to avoid the politics of a trial. It could include a condition to prevent her running. That is why I think it will be dangled. Potential exposure would be life in her case

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #72)

Sun May 29, 2016, 06:11 PM

73. We disagree, but it's a not a big deal

 

I think the average American will take a dim view of a pardon being given to Hillary when they know if it had been them who committed the same crime, the average American would be spending quite a bit of time in jail. Combine that with the current dislike of the career politician, the long term implications could be interesting. Regardless, it's interesting watching history being made.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #73)

Sun May 29, 2016, 06:43 PM

74. Agreed, but the average American will be taken by surprise

 

Let's not start with hyper partisans. This is a highly technical story.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #74)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:15 PM

81. I'd be shocked if they haven't wrapped up the deal months ago

Why wait until the last minute? The basic contours of the case have been known publicly since March 2015. The reason it has taken do long to release the FBI report - which will knock her out - is that Bernie still has a theoretical route to the nomination. After that last piece is in place, the size 14 shoe drops.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #81)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:18 PM

82. I do not know when it will drop

 

But I think soon. This has ahem accelerated. Scandals have a predictable rhythm

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #82)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:26 PM

83. IC IG report next. This week maybe. CA primary. Then wham!

Everyone will have had a chance to cast a primary vote. All legal and democratic-like. Who can complain. All the process that's due, and all that. They can confirm the White Knight when she rides into the Spectrum in Philly.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #83)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:28 PM

84. The party will have to make a choice

 

And so far it has been the wrong choice

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #84)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:36 PM

85. There is no other choice.

It's either Liz or the Donald. I sure as hell hope we haven't been played about Warren. She's really a huge unknown, particularly about foreign policy.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #85)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:40 PM

86. I have no idea what they are thinking to be honest

 

But at times I wonder if deep down they want to lose

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #86)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:48 PM

87. I think they believe they can't lose and already have won. That's a dangerous approach

One thing is clear from election history since 1968. We should not assume they know what they're doing.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #87)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:49 PM

88. Well, we tend to cycle back and forth every eight years

 

These people seem to forget this

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #88)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:54 PM

89. It can't be quite that deterministic! But, the electorate is going to vote for

whichever candidate who does the most convincing act of the anti-candidate in 2016. And that isn't Hillary.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #89)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:56 PM

90. Well, not just that

 

The electorate is not going to vote for somebody under investigation

That is leaving the usual inside baseball press. Tne IG report has entered the popular press that soccer moms read. Oopsie

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Response to grasswire (Reply #31)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:08 PM

64. I'm surprised it's that high. Nt

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:05 PM

3. Expressions of shock by some normally pro-Hill media have been notable

 

thinking particularly of Andrea Mitchell and the Morning Joe crew.

I'm a bit surprised Democratic leaders are surprised -- surely they know how she operates. Maybe they're horrified by how bad it looks.

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Response to senz (Reply #3)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:11 PM

4. I get the sense that this has been SOP for the Clintons for decades

and like the frogs in the boiling water, all of a sudden they're realizing that they're cooked.

Her big strength so far has been her foreign policy experience, but this just pulls the rug right out from under her.

So many people have been making so many excuses for the Clintons for decades, and all of a sudden, the Empress has no clothes.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #4)

Sat May 28, 2016, 06:11 PM

21. If foreign policy experience is her strength then

it looks like a bumpy ride on the peace train. That's if she gets selected, and personally I think that looks more unlikely as more time goes by.

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Response to senz (Reply #3)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:29 AM

45. Mitchell really believed Hillary when she interviewed Hillary on her show.

Mitchell accepted Hillary's explanation--which to many of us was foolish. But the IG report laid out all the details and it was clear that Hillary had lied many times. Now Mitchell has flipped on Hillary.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:11 PM

5. And then Berstein said you can read all about in his Hillary book...

Berstein always thinks Democratic leaders are "horrified" by HRC...

Man it is worse then what he said in February about the speech transcripts....

The CNN commentator began his analysis:

There is a huge story going on. I spent part of this weekend talking to people in the White House. They are horrified at how Hillary Clinton is blowing up her own campaign. They are worried that the Democrats could-

He added:

Well, they are horrified that the whole business of the transcripts, the accepting the money, that she could blow the Democrats' chance for the White House. They want her to win. Obama wants her to win. But Sanders has shown how vulnerable she is. These ethical lapses have tied the White House up in knots. They don't know what to do. They're beside themselves. And now you've got a situation with these transcripts a little bit like Richard Nixon and his tapes he stonewalled on and wouldn't release.

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Response to Henhouse (Reply #5)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:20 PM

13. Hmmm, ok

 

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Response to Henhouse (Reply #5)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:19 AM

52. 18% favorability

 

Think about that.

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Response to pinebox (Reply #52)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:43 PM

69. Wait till the speech transcripts come out

On top of this shit

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:13 PM

6. Her email difficulties have earned harsh

review, including from the chief investigational entity looking into this, but the concern is deeper than a rules violation.

Start with her considerably high unfavorables, then add to it the perception that she will try end-arounds on the rules for secrecy. The perception by many that she is untrustworthy becomes a snare drum if she hands the Republicans (and the media) this email issue, because they're going to bang on it all the way to November.

Hillary Clinton owes the people in the Democratic Party who have heartily endorsed her candidacy a thorough explanation of where things stand, what exactly is still in play, and what might happen. She's letting this drag on and on, and it's becoming toxic.

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Response to saltpoint (Reply #6)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:18 PM

11. Yes, good analysis. Of course, she could release her super-delegates

 

Or just drop out for the sake of the country.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #11)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:49 PM

27. Superdelegates aren't pledged delegates

They may voice their support for one candidate or another but they can change who they say they'll support whenever they get into their heads to do so.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #27)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:17 AM

51. They're a mercurial bunch, those super delegates.

I would love to see them eliminated from the process altogether.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #11)

Sun May 29, 2016, 11:13 AM

61. HRC has less chance of dropping out than I have of becoming queen of England.

She'd keep her campaign going from a jail cell.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #61)

Sun May 29, 2016, 09:58 PM

76. It's been done by other politicians, I think.

 

I'd love to see the SNL version of that.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:18 PM

7. Watching the PBS news hour for a bit last night was interesting

I noticed a definite shift- Hillary is not looking like a good bet to them now...but they all look like they are prepared to choke her down like bad medicine.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #7)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:15 PM

10. Because it's the Trump monster versus the dirty socialist

 

They have no choice.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:20 PM

8. Predictwise has her down to only

97% chance of winning the nomination, 65% chance of winning the presidency.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #8)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:25 PM

16. Up from 96%...

I had a friend, an attorney, who is a member of the Inner Circle. It is the one hundred most prominent trial lawyers in America. John Edwards, who was a terrific and renowned trial attorney was a member. I remember during Bill's 1996 election she was concerned that the special prosecutor, Ken Starr, who was dogging him would derail it. I told her not to worry...

Unless Hills was doing hanky panky with a young intern and then dissemble about it under oath she will be fine.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 02:25 PM

9. tick .... tick .... tick .... countdown to California.

 


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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #9)

Sat May 28, 2016, 07:37 PM

22. That's a perfect picture!

Kind of captures her well.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #9)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:20 AM

53. Great picture of our next President!!

 

n/t

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #9)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:22 AM

55. I saw a documentary about the history of photography

and James Brady, Reagan's press secretary, talked about how he never allowed photographers to take pics of Reagan from below. Basically said he kicked them (the photographers) if they tried...and this is why.

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Response to kiva (Reply #55)

Sun May 29, 2016, 01:58 PM

62. Well, it's kinda hard not to at least give the appearance

of being taken from below with Hillary. It's the tilt of her head.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:19 PM

12. Any superdelegate actually doing their job...

 

...is having second thoughts. Well...if they're doing their ostensible job: preventing a politically-disastrous, damaged candidate from handing the presidency to the GOP. I suspect, however, that many will still be doing the real job of SD's: preventing challenges to the party establishment/Third Way.

To the latter, fuck you very much.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #12)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:21 PM

14. Indeed

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:00 AM

39. They will if they have to. It's their sole purpose.

And I'm not saying they'll choose Sen Sanders because I believe they'd pick Trump before they do that. They will vote and do what ever is in the best interests of the DNC and only the DNC. That, for now, means Sec Clinton. Even with more bad news on this front (Not an indictment. We don't indict The Beautiful People and there may not be one at all) they might/probably will just stick with her and take their chances.

Maybe VP Biden will get drafted but I don't think he stands any better chance than Sec Clinton, really. So, they'll take their chances and if Trump wins then that's o.k. Not as good as Sec Clinton but they'll still make money.

But, the SD's don't care about the base or their silly will. They were created specifically to go against the base if need be. If they truly fear a Trump presidency they'll override the base in a New York minute. I just don't think they do.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #39)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:06 AM

40. "the SD's don't care about the base or their silly will"

This is not the tune y'all would be singing if Sanders was the pledged delegate leader, hypocrite.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #40)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:12 AM

41. It's the exact same tune I'd be "singing"

I don't pretend to speak for anybody but myself but "going against the base" is exactly what the SD's were created for just in case we nominated our weird Aunto Sophia with all the cats or something. To prevent another 1968.

If Sen Sanders had all the SD's and it came to light that he did some stupid shit like this server and Blackberry fixation I'd be cautioning my fellow Sen Sanders supporters that the SD's could still leave if the negative trend continues in spite of the "will of the base" because that's what they're for.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #41)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:09 PM

65. All of the Emailgate nonsense has been known for the entirety of the primary season

I'm afraid. The voters have overwhelmingly spoken that it is a non-issue.

And please...if Bernie was the pledged delegate leader and the supers swiped the nomination from him, you'd be screaming bloody murder. Don't kid yourself, or the rest of us.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:21 AM

54. but it may be the wiser thing to do if the Dems want to win

 

Hillary is under a cloud. Super-delegates should see that. It's not like Bernie is so far behind her either.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:31 AM

59. We are neither unhinged nor daft.

But your insults are welcome.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #12)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:41 PM

37. Depends on whose interests they choose to represent. I hope the ones whom are also lobbyists

 

can properly separate their loyalties to discern only what is best for our human being-powered democracy.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:22 PM

15. Joe and Andrea are republicans.

 

Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump.. Superdelagates are not going to flip to Bernie. Lol. He is threatening them and behaving so irresponsibly these days.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #15)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:26 PM

17. We will not be shook, bro.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #17)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:32 PM

18. No we will not.

 

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #18)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:35 PM

19. They are trying to gaslight us.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #15)

Sat May 28, 2016, 03:36 PM

20. "Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump"... OMG.... just a bump?

Hillary will be ok. Just a noisy bump.. Superdelagates are not going to flip to Bernie. Lol. He is threatening them and behaving so irresponsibly these days.


You so funny.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #15)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:47 PM

26. and with all the asinine lawsuits the Sanders team is pulling in California, I suspect their

internal poll numbers are a concern to them or they wouldn't be pulling this garbage lawsuits

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 07:39 PM

23. Most of America is off enjoying their three day holiday. eom

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #23)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:26 PM

24. not me

Im watching and frankly the third way sucks and I dispise it..and the philosophies
Behind it.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #24)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:37 PM

25. Nor I. Watching Warriors and Thunder. Earlier Giants and Rockies.

Also picked cherries birds didn't get and some weed eating.

Achhoo!

Edit

PS Feel the same way about neo-liberalism etc.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:49 PM

28. The superdelegates aren't going to switch.

All the hate they've had to endure from the Bernie people? Not a chance they'll switch.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #28)

Sun May 29, 2016, 09:50 PM

75. We won't know the answer to that until the convention

So can we please let it play out?

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Response to iwannaknow (Reply #75)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:08 PM

79. We don't need a crystal ball to know that they aren't going to switch.

Tik Tok Tik Tok Tik Tok Tik Tok.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:51 PM

29. The shock and horror of MSM is all feigned.

They've known all along how this COULD play out, but were being told to avoid addressing it. To their utter discredit, that's exactly what they've done. They're beltway insiders who know the news before it's written and edited.

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Response to dchill (Reply #29)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:34 AM

47. The media is craven. The Clintons are powerful.

The media wouldn't touch this until they had a smoking gun. The IG report gave them that. The report has opened the floodgates and the media will now be all over the many paths the emails lead them down. There is a lot in those emails that hasn't come out yet and it's not going to be good for you know who.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 10:59 PM

30. He is GOP so it is completely meaningless

such desperation..tick tock tick tock..nine days now...bye bye Bernie.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #30)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:43 PM

38. No. He's a journalist who exposed CIA-Media connection.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #30)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:26 PM

66. Tick tock ...time is running out on Hillary.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #30)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:01 PM

77. Carl Bernstein is a Democrat. eom

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:16 PM

34. What exactly has Carl done in the last 40 years?

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #34)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:47 PM

70. If you gave me a punched ticket to take down a crook like Nixon......

even if was the very last thing i ever got do i would be running with it in hand.

Yea, probably not that much in the last forty years but you know what they say about having your ticket punch. Most anybody with any fame would sure to be careful about being around him. Think about it, if you were this person that was part of this duo instrumental in taking down this powerful crook. He probably knows a lot more than we will ever get to hear about but please continue on with your trash talk. Helps people like me think

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2016, 11:17 PM

35. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Fast Walker 52.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:14 AM

42. If there's a super delegate defection they won't let Sanders be nominee either

The only way it wouldn't be political suicide would be for them to block any nomination until all delegates are released and pick somebody who didn't run

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Response to Recursion (Reply #42)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:26 AM

44. Pick someone who didn't run? That would be suicide.

It's either going to be Hillary or Bernie--there the ones who chose to run and put in the effort. If Hillary has to withdraw, it will be Bernie and he'll beat trump like a drum.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #42)

Sun May 29, 2016, 09:56 AM

48. picking somebody who didn't run is a recipe for disaster, like 1968

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #48)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:06 AM

49. True, but it's not as bad as picking the guy who took second

That would be worse in terms of the reaction

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Response to Recursion (Reply #49)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:16 AM

50. I disagree, particularly if the person in 1st place is in legal jeopardy

 

picking Bernie would be far less disruptive to the Dem party than a 3rd person, IMO

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Response to Recursion (Reply #42)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:36 PM

67. Please do

 

The self destruction will be fun to watch I mean that one.

For the record, I really don't care if your party ends up with Mickey Mouse for President. But ooohhh boy....how to grab party destruction and embrace it! Though I agree, they will do that. The party fears Sanders.

I think I gotta get metric tons of....popcorn though. Will be entertaining as hell.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:23 AM

43. Bernstein is mostly correct. This is a time bomb and the big blast has yet to come.

Like most of the inside the beltway talking heads though, he still believes an indictment won't happen. After what was disclosed in the IG report, a recommendation to indict from the FBI is much more likely.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #43)

Sun May 29, 2016, 05:38 PM

68. The calls for that have started.again watergate parallels...

 

The same way they first came out in 1973... From small regional partisan papers.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #43)

Mon May 30, 2016, 08:06 AM

94. I agree. I thought the IG report was much worse than expected.

Let's wait and see what we hear the Friday before the 4th of July weekend. It could be the ultimate news dump.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:31 AM

46. Then they rip the party to shreds and lose anyway.

Bernie has almost half of the Dems and he has about 70% of the Independants. Indies are a bigger group of voters than even the Dem or Reps. If they run someone besides Bernie, kiss the party goodbye. There will be mutiny.

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Response to lmbradford (Reply #46)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:26 AM

57. Agreed 100%

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:26 AM

58. Something was taken in this mess, wonder what got nicked?

As I understand it Kerry referred it to Justice himself. This is not just about Hillary being stupid and careless with her server or even having a server.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #58)

Mon May 30, 2016, 10:34 AM

95. 6 billion missing from accounting

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 03:08 PM

63. Carl has been after Bill and Hillary for a long time. That is all.

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:03 PM

78. This morning I was only half awake listening to the BBC.

 

Two men were discussing Hillary Clinton. I kept on dozing, so I wasn't following their conversation very closely, but they were discussing her in the past tense, to the point where I thought, "OMG! She's ended her campaign!" I was very surprised when I got up a couple of hours later and she hadn't.

But boy, did they sound like they were conducting a post-mortem on her career.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #78)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:14 PM

80. It was probaly just another Bernie Sanders fever dream.

 

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #78)

Sun May 29, 2016, 11:05 PM

92. Interesting experience

 

Maybe they're being somewhat prophetic.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #78)

Mon May 30, 2016, 08:00 AM

93. hmm, wow-- maybe they know something

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:59 PM

91. Carl Bernstein never really loved her!

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:23 AM

96. LOL

So devastating she just won the nomination

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Response to Bubry (Reply #96)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:42 AM

97. Why did you dig up an 11-day old post and another 6 day old post?

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