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[Press Virginia]

3. She's a fine representative for those with no principles

and I know there are a lot of them here today

[Press Virginia]

8. I wouldn't support her in 2008 and she's done nothing to make me

feel like I should support her now.
But there are some who are more about winning than standing behind the principles they claim to have

[XemaSab]

27. "winning"

They're more about "winning."

Any "winning" that involves war, fracking, and the global race to the bottom is not "winning" that I want any part of.

[Press Virginia]

29. Does one ever win when they abandon any and all principles

[XemaSab]

33. I keep going back to Game of Thrones

If you're willing to sell out to get some turf, you're going to find out that there's always someone who never had principles to begin with who claimed that turf before you.

[840high]

35. Nixon is looking better and better.

[Hoyt]

2. Was she promoting fracking, or using natural gas over coal or oil?

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[immoderate]

17. She promotes fracking.

--imm

[yodermon]

4. Were those from the "private" email batch?

So confusing.

[cali]

9. Permanent pantsuit conflagration

[NV Whino]

14. 😄

[XemaSab]

28. Triangulating Pantsuit Fire

[BernieforPres2016]

11. "Giving communities the right to say no" is a water sandwich

Hillary says that people in local communities can try to band together and dig into their pockets to try to fight the fracking companies (and the local representatives they buy off) in court. (They already have that option.) She is not committing to do anything herself to stop fracking.

[hedda_foil]

38. No, she's not committing to do anything herself, but she's encouraging the locals to infer it.

Meanwhile, she avoids making any promises at all. It's a sleazy game, but she and Bill have made it pay very very well.

[Hekate]

12. Sounds like something you should take up with her boss at the time, POTUS Obama.

SoS doesn't go around making up policies on their own, I don't think.

[grasswire]

16. If he had appointed an Inspector General for State...

....things like this might have been known to Obama. He didn't. She ran roughshod, jeopardizing his administration and his legacy.

[840high]

36. lol - so would I.

[hedda_foil]

39. I doubt he even knew she hadn't appointed an IG.

It was her responsibility.

[PufPuf23]

13. Surprise Surprise.

Fracking is a dead end and damaging technology.

[jfern]

18. Frack no to Hillary!

[polly7]

19. Yep.

https://vimeo.com/157982054


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(she didn't appear to consider much at all those 'conditions' she said she would insist on for the U.S., while pushing it for other nations whose people didn't want it.)


How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World

A trove of secret documents details the US government's global push for shale gas.

—By Mariah Blake | September/October 2014 Issue

ONE ICY MORNING in February 2012, Hillary Clinton's plane touched down in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, which was just digging out from a fierce blizzard. Wrapped in a thick coat, the secretary of state descended the stairs to the snow-covered tarmac, where she and her aides piled into a motorcade bound for the presidential palace. That afternoon, they huddled with Bulgarian leaders, including Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, discussing everything from Syria's bloody civil war to their joint search for loose nukes. But the focus of the talks was fracking. The previous year, Bulgaria had signed a five-year, $68 million deal, granting US oil giant Chevron millions of acres in shale gas concessions. Bulgarians were outraged. Shortly before Clinton arrived, tens of thousands of protesters poured into the streets carrying placards that read "Stop fracking with our water" and "Chevron go home." Bulgaria's parliament responded by voting overwhelmingly for a fracking moratorium.

Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans. The State Depart­ment's lobbying effort culminated in late May 2012, when Morningstar held a series of meetings on fracking with top Bulgarian and Romanian officials. He also touted the technology in an interview on Bulgarian national radio, saying it could lead to a fivefold drop in the price of natural gas. A few weeks later, Romania's parliament voted down its proposed fracking ban and Bulgaria's eased its moratorium.

Hillary Clinton is welcomed to Sofia by Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Nikolay Mladenov, left. US Department of State/flickr

Goldwyn had a long history of promoting drilling overseas—both as a Department of Energy official under Bill Clinton and as a representative of the oil industry. From 2005 to 2009 he directed the US-Libya Business Association, an organization funded primarily by US oil companies—including Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and Marathon—clamoring to tap Libya's abundant supply. Goldwyn lobbied Congress for pro-Libyan policies and even battled legislation that would have allowed families of the Lockerbie bombing victims to sue the Libyan government for its alleged role in the attack.

But environmental groups were barely consulted, while industry played a crucial role. When Goldwyn unveiled the initiative in April 2010, it was at a meeting of the United States Energy Association, a trade organization representing Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and ConocoPhillips, all of which were pursuing fracking overseas. Among their top targets was Poland, which preliminary studies suggested had abundant shale gas. The day after Goldwyn's announcement, the US Embassy in Warsaw helped organize a shale gas conference, underwritten by these same companies (plus the oil field services company Halliburton) and attended by officials from the departments of State and Energy.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/10/how-hillary-clintons-state-department-sold-fracking-to-the-world


pinebox (4,878 posts)

Absolutely a DAMNING piece---Hillary touted fracking across the globe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251824618

[amborin]

21. another lie! and this is what uses all of California's water!

[vintx]

31. I hope Bernie brings that up frequently in the run up to the primary. nt

[amborin]

34. yes,

it is a huge issue with Latinos in California, almost top issue b/c so many farmworkers' livelihoods are at stake

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. She did

but like Trump she changes policy positions to suit the backdrop. They both lie.

She said that the Iraq war was good for business!

[BillZBubb]

32. "She said that the Iraq war was good for business!" Well, that wasn't a lie!

At least for the businesses in the MIC.

That's why she likes war so much. It's good for business and creates jobs! Win/Win right?