Peace Needs To Be Made Between Hillary And Sanders Camps

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

I am a Sanders Supporter, but I think Peace needs to be made between the two camps- Hillary and Bernie. It is not productive for both sides to be at each others throats. Hillary and her People must recognize the power and legitimacy of the Sanders Political Revolution and the Millions of People who support it. That is on the one hand.

On the other hand, The Sanders People must recognize that Hilary is the likely Democratic Candidate. As a Sanders Supporter, I am still hopeful for a strong result in California. Regardless of how that Primary turns out, Bernie has already earned a place at the Table, and Hillary and her People need to acknowledge that and respect that if we are all to go forward to oppose Trump.

Both sides need to develop more respect for each other. The real Enemy at this point is Trump. We need to get past our differences and unite against Trump.

What do you think?

[azurnoir]

1. Is this the 'honeymoon' phase of the cycle?

[rock]

108. LOL!

Actually, it was more like a guffaw

[HooptieWagon]

111. More than likely today's script.

[amborin]

197. definitely! Bernie will win CA & the Nomination and they are terrrified

[MineralMan]

2. Peace is essential, and it will come.

Not among all, but among most, I'm sure. We will soon have a common goal.

[azurnoir]

6. you already do you've accomplished one of them

[coyote]

9. Says the man who post pictures of Bernie

grabbing "ass".

Lol!!!

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Yeah, like right here --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1882828

Peace, or piece?

[Happyhippychick]

3. I agree with you

[panader0]

4. Once we flush the broccoli maybe.

[notadmblnd]

5. Until Senator Sanders throws in the towel, I'll not aknowlege anything.

Respect for Hillary supporters here? Totally non existent

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

14. Respect

I am a Sanders Supporter and I respect Hillary and her Supporters. I realize there is a lot of animosity between these two camps here on these Boards. I think that is because conflict tends to generate more posts than peace making. I believe in making peace.

[Baobab]

99. I am a Sanders Supporter and I reject her Positions

She's also pathologically dishonest. As is the capaign to annoint her without any airing of the myriad issues which should be discussed in a Presidential campaign. As far as I am concerned, Hillary is 100% phony and she wont get my vote under any conditions.

And no I would never vote for Trump, either.

I am one angry voter.

[Maedhros]

7. For me, no. Sanders and Clinton are farther apart, ideologically, than Clinton and Trump.

You're asking me to join ranks with a conservative, I won't.

This is the standard manipulation we've been seeing for decades now. "Suck it up and support policies you hate, stupid liberals."

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

16. I Understand

I understand your point of view. Hillary is in some ways Center Right. I don't consider Liberals to be stupid. Bernie and his supporters have earned a place at the table regardless of what else happens. Hillary and her People must acknowledge Bernie and his millions of Followers (I am one). Bernie will continue to fight for his Political Revolution even if he does not win the Nomination. If Hillary is to bring Bernie and his Followers into the Fold, she must grant real policy concessions. So, peace is difficult, but can be brokered.

[seabeyond]

32. This is how you come together. Agree Clinton is more inline with Trump. Saying she is center right,

you know, Republican. And that we liberal that voted for her are stupid? Or not Liberals.

And supporters earn a seat at the table. We women, and blacks and gays asked to sit at the table and were told there are more important issues. But, you all deserve it now that you lost.

Clinton had more supporter in '08 than sanders, not followers.

Policy concessions. So we all vote for Clintons policies, and we now must adopt the loser of the race's policies.

This is coming together.

Too fuckin funny.

Got it. You are not serious.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

52. Not Sure

Not sure what your point is here. Hillary is Center Right on Defense and Foreign Policy, Center Left on Domestic and Social Issues. I think that is accurate. Do you disagree?

I never said that people who voted for her are stupid. I never said that people who voted for her are not liberals. That would be putting words in my mouth. It is a straw man argument.

Just because some other Sanders Supporters might have said similar things doesn't mean that I say those things or agree with those views.

[seabeyond]

67. Clinton is among the top 15% of the most liberal/progressive in congress.

Hey dude, I didn't get what you said. Sounded like you were either calling us stupid or not liberal, hence my questions.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

83. What I Said

You should read what I wrote. I have never called anyone either of those things.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

64. Another Point

Just because Sanders does not get the nomination doesn't mean that the millions of people who support him should be disenfranchised. Hillary and her people need to grant Sanders and his people concessions, or otherwise we have limited reasons to support Hillary. If you think that Hillary can defeat Trump without substantial support from Sanders Democrats, I think that you are very badly mistaken.

This is one reason why I am suggesting a brokered peace between Clinton and Sanders camps. Assumptions and rude language don't help the matter, on either side. I am trying to promote a reasonable and respectful conversation, which seems to be lacking amongst some people on both sides.

Bickering amongst ourselves is only going to help Trump in the long run. We must grant concessions from both sides, I think, to make real peace with each other. If we continue with animosity, we will not defeat Trump. To defeat Trump, we need to reconcile the Sanders camp with the Hillary camp. If Hillary and her people think they can defeat Trump without Bernies support, they will be dead wrong in November.

[seabeyond]

66. You are not promoting reasonable. And that is what I am reasonably telling you.

Sanders lost. Clinton won. Sanders and his millions do not get to dictate what she does with the office. Clinton did not with Obama. No one would expect for Obama to acquiesce to Clinton's demands. How fuckin arrogantly stupid.

More Sanders supporters are perfectly fine supporting Clinton, than Clinton supporters supporting Obama. Puma '08 were bust and just made fools of themselves throwing their tantrum. There are not as many Puma 2016's.

We do not have to acquiesce to your threats, tantrums, demands.

You want to have a say in Clinton's platform? No. We voted for Clinton's platform, not Sanders.

[HooptieWagon]

72. Then our votes aren't wanted.

If Clinton is offering NOTHING to earn our votes, then she won't get them. It's as simple as that. Good luck in the GE without us.

[seabeyond]

75. She is offering progressive policy, progressive Supreme Court pick. She is offering the Democratic

platform. If you do not want to vote for the Democratic platform, don't. That is your constitutional right to vote who you want to vote for.

[HooptieWagon]

90. She offers war, fracking, TPP, more bank deregulation,...

...more charter schools, private prisons, no min wage increase, SS cuts. What is progressive about that crap? She can call herself 'progressive', but it means as much as North Korea calling themselves 'democratic'. Unlike Clintons fanboi club, I judge by actions not names.

[seabeyond]

98. Campaign Rhetoric.

[99Forever]

106. Neoliberal bait and switch is more like it.

Same craven lying shit, different election cycle.

From the same neoliberal lying liar.

[seabeyond]

113. Ah, you are being mean.

[99Forever]

117. Nope. Being honest.

Something your candidate knows absolutely nothing about.

[seabeyond]

121. Lol.

[annavictorious]

131. Thank you, but we won't need luck.

We have Hillary.

[Wait for it]

182. Actually you do. Lots of it.

Not enough luck available for Clinton.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

97. We Voted For Sanders

If you feel that Hillary can win in November without the support of Sanders Voters, go right ahead. I think that you are very wrong. I have never deliberately insulted a Hillary supporter. I am just pointing out that Sanders has power, and he will use it to advance his cause. That is politics. It is hard ball. We are in a position to make certain demands. This is not a tantrum. It is a statement of the political reality.

I recognize Hillary's position as the probable nominee of the Democratic Party. But, she will lose, badly, in November without the majority of support from the Sanders people. Our votes and our views matter. She will not gain the support of Sanders People if we continue to have animosity. We need to come together, and that means both sides stopping with the insults and disrespect. I personally have never been deliberately insulting or disrespectful here to any Hillary person. Read my posts.

Sanders people are in a position to ask for reasonable concessions. That is my view. I am sorry if that chafes certain people, but that is politics. Our votes count too. If Hillary wants to win in the General Election, she needs our votes. I think now is the time to make peace with the Sanders Camp. If she doesn't, she loses.

Insults and disrespectful language is not the way to go about making peace. Clinton can not make it to the White House without Sanders People. I would urge you to consider that. Clinton needs our votes to win in November. You don't gain peoples votes by denigrating and insulting them. So, I suggest a brokered peace between the two camps.

[seabeyond]

103. No. Sanders does not have power. That is the illusion. He lost. The loser does not hold the power,

Though it is interesting to see what some.... do when they think they hold it. Threaten, bully, demand, or the repercussion will be a whole lot of people throwing a collective fit to create mayhem and chaos.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

112. He Hasn't Lost

He has built a New Progressive Movement in America that might turn out to be bigger than the Democratic Party. If you think he has no Power- how far do you think Hillary will get in November without the support of Bernie and his People? That is power.

Sanders has the power and the right to stand up for his People. The only path to the White House for Hillary is with Bernies support. If people want to keep infighting, we will lose to Trump in November. Hillary and her People need to recognize the voting power of the Sanders Political Revolution. There is no victory in November without those voters.

[seabeyond]

115. Winner.... Loser. Clinton is the winner. Sanders is the loser.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

129. Clinton Loses

Clinton loses in November without Sanders. It is simple arithmetic. If Clinton wants to win the General Election, she needs to grant some concessions to Sanders Voters. If she does not, she will be beaten badly by Trump. I am sorry if this seems harsh, but it I the political reality. I do not want a Trump victory, but if Clinton wants to win, she will need to gain the support of Sanders and his People. That means compromise, on both sides. Sanders people can get some of their policies in exchange for their votes for Hillary in the General Election.

[seabeyond]

144. We disagree. I think Clinton easily has it. We will haev to see.

[DonCoquixote]

187. with all due respect

" No one would expect for Obama to acquiesce to Clinton's demands."

No, he just made her Secretary of State, and hired people like Tim Geitner, Larry Summers that were Clinton people. The fact is, he did offer the Clinton supporters a olive branch (the number three most powerful position in the United States.)

[TDale313]

207. No, Sea, you're not being reasonable

If you think telling the millions of Sanders supports sit down and stfu is gonna work. Bernie may not win the nomination, but a huge chunk of the electorate made it perfectly clear where they need things to go if they're going to continue supporting Dems/the Democratic Party. A seat at the table is perfectly reasonable. The party's split. It's in Hillary's and her supporters' interest to try and do what she can to heal that. And this is different from 08 because policy differences between Obama and Hillary were far less than they are with Bernie. You can dismiss us all you want- We're. Not. Going. Away.

[Chasstev365]

155. YOU and your snotty comments are a reason unity will be difficult!

Hillary is NEVER wrong and Bernie is ALWAYS wrong in your world. Go back and reread your posts and tell me how unifying you'be been.

[seabeyond]

161. Because I say you are not allowed to hold the winner hostage for vote, demanding she reject her

policy in favor of the loser of the primary, Sanders? I am the problem?

Only if we acquiesce, only if we submit to demands being made, will we have atoned... for fuckin' what? Winning?

Real world buddy. The winner is the boss. The boss's agenda. Not the one that lost.

Only in the BernieBro world do the demand the woman submit and roll over, to get favor.

[Chasstev365]

164. Yes; it's all about sexism. NOT! Very telling comment your part!

PS: My single mother did not raise a sexist son!

[seabeyond]

166. Tell me a single time EVER a loser man, running against a winner man DEMANDS

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he submit. DEMANDS he adopts the losers policy. Demands the loser gets to pick the VOP and cabinet. Tell me one time in the history of our election.... ONE time the loser had the audacity to make these demands, and actually EXPECT Clinton to follow thru so she is seen as "reaching" out to the other fuckin side.

Seriously?

Cause you know, Clinton is the fuckin nurturer and it is her role to bring peace. If that means submitting to a man making demands of her, then she has just gotta do it if she has earned the presidency.

She won. She doesn't have to do shit, ... to further earn her position.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

195. When Reagan Won

When Reagan won, he appointed his opponent George Bush as his Vice President. There is a long history in American Presidential Politics of compromise between former electoral opponents. Bill Clinton picked Gore as his VP also. There are a number of examples of compromise between front runners and also-rans. Ted Kennedy also made platform demands and had a prominent place to speak at the Democratic Convention when he ran against Jimmy Carter. So, this is History, and there are many examples.

[Maedhros]

53. In "some" ways "Center Right?"

I'd say most of her policies are Right Wing, and she throws some culture war platitudes to the plebes to keep them content.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

57. Clinton

I think that she is Center Right on Foreign Policy and Defense, and Center Left on Domestic and Social Issues. She is a moderate Liberal for Education, Health Care, and the Economy. Hillary is basically a Hawkish Democrat who is a Pragmatic Moderate Liberal on Domestic Issues. That is how I view her.

[Maedhros]

80. How is supporting the private prison industry - to the extent of appointing their lobbyists

to be fundraising bundlers on her campaign - in any way "center left" on social issues?

The private prison industry is THE poster child for institutional racism in America.

How is helping draft the TPP "moderately liberal" on economic issues?

I guess if you ignore all of her right wing bullshit, I suppose she might appear to be "center left" if you squint your eyes and look real hard (after taking a few bong hits).

[HooptieWagon]

93. She's as Center-Left as Jeb Bush.

Jamie Dimon said he'd be equally happy with either as president.... pretty sure he isn't a liberal.

[Maedhros]

105. This is my primary beef with the Democratic Party rank-and-file:

they delude themselves into thinking their politicians are liberal because they pretend to fight the culture war.

[Juicy_Bellows]

126. + ∞

Absolutely spot on.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

107. The Difference

Part of the difference is that it is easier to push Hillary to move further to the Left than a Republican. This is just by merit of the fact that she is in the same Party as Warren and Sanders. The mere existence of the Sanders Campaign has forced Hillary to move off Center to the Left. No Republican will move Left due to Bernie Sanders presence. Hillary will. Sanders Progressives are changing the Party so that Centrists like Clinton must listen to the Progressive wing. That's politics.

[HooptieWagon]

110. When has the DLC/Third Way ever moved left?

Never. They continue to drag the party to the right, to the point where Henry Kissinger is now lauded by some 'Democrats'. Gag me. They are able to do so because the Left has enabled them by holding our noses and voting for them. No more. Fuck that republican-lite shit.

[HooptieWagon]

100. Bingo.

She represents Wall St and the 1%ers, just like Bush, Romney, etc. She just includes recently 'evolved' liberal positions on a few social issues to con low-information voters into supporting her. And she gets 50% of the Dem vote. It's probably only a coincidence that 50% of the population is below mean intelligence.

[Baobab]

104. You cant be AT the table if you are ON it being carved up.

That's the attitude of HRC and the Dem establishment.

And it seems to me that on the net, virtually everybody everywhere gets this - except for the people here. And a few others.

So forgive me if I miss this coronation.

[obamanut2012]

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[HarmonyRockets]

33. How do you figure

that Sanders and Clinton are farther apart than Clinton and Trump? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've read on DU all day. And if the election is between Clinton and Trump, will you be supporting Trump?

[Maedhros]

51. Fuck no I won't support trump.

Here is a visual representation of my point:



Sanders occupies the center region of the chart, pretty much every other Democrat and Republican occupies the upper right quadrant.

[baldguy]

68. Political Compass - the people that put major Democrats to the right of Hitler.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

Needless to say, it's a fucking load of stinking, slimy RW horseshit that has no place on a board that purports to be liberal and Democratic.

[Android3.14]

114. Two dimensions

You should know how to interpret a simple Cartesian representation of two variables.

Time to wear your big boy brains.

[baldguy]

145. Yes it is simple. Berners see Gandhi < Hitler < Clinton.

The rest of the world sees that for the insanity that it is.

[BlindTiresias]

171. Huh?

read the site, they very clearly state what the two axis represent.

[baldguy]

172. Yes, and the X-axis is Left-Right - with Hitler in the *center*, to the left of Clinton.

The very idea is offensive and absurd. The poster should be ashamed of themselves.

[baldguy]

192. You're defending Nazism. Putting people in ovens is not toleration of inequality.

I can't believe this has to be explained on DU. Do you really hate Democrats, the Democratic Party & Hillary Clinton that much that you can rationalize away the horrors of Nazi Germany?

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

54. How I Figure

As the Original Poster, I never said that Sanders and Clinton are farther apart than Clinton and Trump. Someone else posted that. I said that I understood that view. Understanding someone's view is not endorsing it or agreeing with it.

The pro-Sanders people who make those statements are pointing out that Clinton and Trump tend to be more pro-corporate than Sanders. That is what I think they are referring to. I think that is true. Also, both are more hawkish than Sanders. I think that is true also.

That said, Clinton is much closer to Sanders on Domestic and Social Issues than she is to Trump. This is a real difference between her and Trump, and people who deny that are incorrect, I think. She is a pragmatic Liberal on Domestic and Social Issues.

So, it is not simple. As far as who I will vote for- I will vote for whoever will beat Trump at this point. Trump is a dangerous buffoon, and needs to be stopped. That is my view, and a large part of why I started this Thread. Clinton and Sanders supporters need to make peace at some point to oppose Trump.

I am trying to promote a civil and respectful dialogue on making peace. I would prefer Sanders got the Nomination, but I will settle with Hillary. We need to protect the Supreme Court and preserve Obamacare and other Policies. If it is Clinton versus Trump, there is no doubt we need to support Hillary. That said, Hillary and her supporters need to acknowledge and respect Sanders and the millions of voters that he has mobilized.

[Vincardog]

168. "protect the Supreme Court and preserve Obamacare and other Policies" that is out of the Pragmatic

Playbook right?

Tell the left that we must defend the SC and modest progress on one issue and unnamed "others".

I disagree. We are facing immediate and drastic threats economically and environmentally, the solutions for both require
IMMEDIATE DECISIVE ACTION. We do not need to come together to defend the Status Quo.

That train has left the terminal.
We need immediate changes to our economic as well as our physical lives.

I in no way advocate for a tRump presidency. The times and threats require someone with a stronger compass than Some on offer.

[BzaDem]

191. Yeah, losing the Supreme Court for a generation will bring you "IMMEDIATE DECISIVE ACTION"

Unfortunately, it won't be the "IMMEDIATE DECISIVE ACTION" you intended. Some people only learn the hard way. I just hope for your own sake that your strategy doesn't succeed.

[Vincardog]

198. My "Strategy"? What is wrong with demanding the actions REQUIRED to save our country and planet?

Please enlighten me oh wise anonymous poster. What exactly do you propose and how will it save us?

[BzaDem]

199. You said

Tell the left that we must defend the SC and modest progress on one issue and unnamed "others".

I disagree.

"Demanding" is not an end unto itself. There is no inherent benefit to the movement of one's vocal cords. Such "demanding" only helps if done in a way that actually contributes to the achievement of one's goals, rather than the destruction of said goals.

If you are willing to take an action that puts the Supreme Court at risk for decades, then it is game over for all the goals you say you care about. Some people here seem to care more about the ability to complain about failing to achieve their political goals, than about actually achieving them (in whole or in part). Putting the Supreme Court at risk certainly helps the former, but it is actively destructive to the latter. That's why I disagree with your position that the Supreme Court is not worth defending (unless I misinterpreted your position).

[Vincardog]

200. Did you read past the first line? How in your estimation am I putting the SC at risk? I am fighting

for MORE not the status quo. Itwill not matter who is on the SCOTUS if the planet is uninhabitable.

[BzaDem]

203. The SCOTUS is a necessary condition to keeping the planet habitable.

The SCOTUS put a stay on all of Obama's climate policies required to implement the Paris agreement. The next justice decides whether to lift the stay, or to permanently overrule the policies.

And if you don't support HRC in the GE, you are putting the SCOTUS at risk (obviously).

[Vincardog]

205. Luckily we are not to the point where HRC is the candidate.

[Beacool]

69. Soooo, you would prefer Trump over Hillary?

Yeah, that's a progressive choice.

[GoneFishin]

157. Exactly. If they wanted unity they should have run an FDR Democrat not a neocon.

If my choice is between scary and scarier, then I will defer that decision to others and let them be culpable. I want nothing to do with that scam.

[VulgarPoet]

8. 205 posts in solidarity with an anti-semite.

I'm not sure what your definition of "make peace" or "develop respect" is, but it certainly isn't for those who harbor racists, or excuse their outbursts as "something that was foolishly said in anger". Anyone who's seen me write an OP knows full damn well I am 99% of the time, brimming with some flavor of fury or rage-- and not once have I ever hauled off at the mouth with hate for another race.

Fact of the matter is, some people have thoroughly shit the bed in terms of how seriously I am willing to consider forgiving them. "Get past our differences"? Virulent hatred's a lot more than just "a difference".

[Maedhros]

12. Would they have listened if Republicans told them to "get past your differences" with George Bush?

I think not.

[TimPlo]

13. "and not once have I ever hauled off at the mouth with hate for another race. "

Not me I really hate the NASCAR races. People go to them hoping to see a "nice" crash. It also really pisses me off as I live near the Charlotte race way and on the days they have races traffic sucks ass.

[bvf]

194. Well, to be perfectly fair,

she did post an apology.

Oh, wait. She deleted it due to insufficient ass-kissing.

Never mind.

[LonePirate]

10. I think the purity crowd has no interest in making peace with the other side.

It would be against their "principles" and such to do so.

[TimPlo]

15. By purity you mean

Group of people who think that taking money just because the GOP do it is not a good excuse? OR the group that does not want to keep letting Big energy destroy our planet? Or the group that don't think universal Health Care is just lazy poor people wanting free stuff? Or think that supporting GOP polices is not the right thing for us. Every time you and party take a step to the right the GOP take a step further to right. So now the "Far Left" people in the US would be actually considered Moderate back in the 1970- early 1980 Pre Reagan. Hell all of EU Sanders would be considered a right leaning centrist.

[LonePirate]

20. I know you're not that dumb to not know exactly who the purity crowd is around here.

In fact, your post sounds like you may be an executive officer of the purity crowd.

[lagomorph777]

19. Principles and scruples and such are for losers, right?

[LonePirate]

22. They are mostly for hypocrites around here given how they would rather see Trump win than Clinton.

[lagomorph777]

27. Correction: we see a Hillary coronation as Trump's best hope.

The idea is to nominate somebody who doesn't have serious baggage that Trump will capitalize on.

[LonePirate]

41. The party has spoken whether you believe it has or not.

Clinton becomes the presumptive nominee when the polls close in New Jersey. There is ZERO doubt about that and yet the purity crowd cannot accept defeat. They prefer to throw tantrums about not supporting her in November due to principles or whatever. It's all anger and hypocrisy as they tacitly support the GE candidate who shares none of their values instead of the candidate who shares some of their values. I guess their principles really don't matter to them after all.

[lagomorph777]

45. Tired of being called a Trump supporter by those who are assuring his ascendancy.

You're off to the ignore bin.

[Miles Archer]

73. That's the root of it right there, and thank you for posting it.

"The party has spoken..."

You're not going to get 100% compliance on that one, at least not on June 3rd.

I have no intention of marginalizing anyone here into a label like "the purity crowd."

"They prefer to throw tantrums about not supporting her in November..."

Once again, marginalizing and a "superior" attitude to go along with it, and the real jaw-dropper:

"...due to principles or whatever."

"Principles or whatever?"

What exactly is "principles or whatever?"

Then another jaw-dropper:

"the candidate who shares some of their values"

Do they have bumper stickers with that? You know " H-> She supports some of my values! "

See how ridiculous that sounds?

And yet it's exactly what you just said.

Here's the deal. The owner of the site has made the decision to effectively silence all of the people you're talking about on the 16th. That means...what is the opposite of "The Purity Crowd"...that crowd gets what it wants, and it can take two simultaneous victory laps, one for their chosen candidate and one for silencing any inter-party opposition to that candidate. Everybody wins, as long as they're not in the so-called "purity group."

Look, I don't know you, and I'm sure that when you say something like "The Purity Crowd needs to admit defeat, stop trowing tantrums, and get behind the candidate who supports some of their values," that you probably think you're right, and you may also think that's the prescription for healing the rifts that exists here.

You're not, and it's not.

So just rest easy and realize you'll get what you want soon enough.

All except for the supporting the person who represents some of my values.

Won't happen.

[LonePirate]

96. That's the thing with you purity types - the utter hypocrisy of your stance.

I am going to presume you realize only Clinton or Trump will win the election in November. A big leap of logic on my part but I am trying to give you some credit. Anyway, when you claim you support Bernie because Hillary does not represent your values and you will not vote for Hillary in the GE, you expose how little those values actually mean to you. Trump shares NONE of your values and your refusal to do what you reasonably can (vote for the only opponent with a chance to defeat him) sends a massive signal that your values mean nothing to you. You'd rather have nothing than something. You're deliberately turning a blind eye at how devastating that nothingness is for the entire country, not just for yourselves. It's the most twisted, selfish, ignorant and hypocritical reasoning imaginable from so called progressives who are supposed to give a damn about other people.

It's my way or the highway according to the purity crowd. As such they deserve every ounce of disgust directed at them for such a repugnant stance against America.

[mac56]

123. Oh yeah. You are off to my ignore list.

Say hi once you're there. The place is packed with your chums.

[LonePirate]

125. Excellent! My truths have touched another nerve while affirming everything I said.

The purity crowd truly does not give a damn about their fellow Americans.

[2banon]

30. "Purity Crowd" ? Pot meet Kettle

when you go there, you reveal an enormous lack of comprehension on the basic distinctions between the two candidates.

Take a breath and try to catch up before tossing more "purity" stink bombs out there as if... ok.?

[LonePirate]

36. One candidate's supporters here welcome everyone. The other only wants pure progressives.

It's pretty simple to understand, no matter how much you try to muddy the waters. If you haven't recognized that distinction by now, I don't think you have been paying attention.

[Fumesucker]

56. There's a reason the HRC group is known as "camp bansalot"

And it's not for their welcoming ways.

[LonePirate]

58. The Sanders group isn't known for its welcoming ways either, especially the admins there.

[Fumesucker]

61. I wasn't the one claiming that my faction was so welcoming...

That would be you...

[LonePirate]

65. I'm not a member of the Hillary faction. I didn't vote for her.

However, I do read the numerous posts from Sanders supporters here on DU about not voting for Clinton in the GE for whatever laughable reason. They want nothing to do with her or her supporters. Strangely, I don't see nearly as many, if any, posts here on DU from the Clinton supporters not voting for Bernie in the GE. Now tell me which side is more open and welcoming?

[LonePirate]

139. And yet the purity crowd is going out of their to way to help elect Trump in November.

Makes you wonder how committed they are to their principles.

[LonePirate]

150. Speaking of basic civics, surely you know only Clinton or Trump will win in November.

It is a simple choice as no one else has any chance at all. You can help elect Hillary or you can help elect Trump. When the purity crowd says they will not vote for Clinton, all they are doing is supporting Trump. That is all it boils down to and evidently their principles don't matter if they are willing to help Trump.

As for the change which you say is coming, the party said not this year. Maybe it will come in 2020 or 2024 but it's not happening this year. You can cry about it or you help stop Trump. Obviously the purity crowd would prefer to cry about it.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. The best peace I can offer is to completely tune out of the rightward march of this party,

vote for progressive dems down ticket and use my vote for a candidate for President that I feel represents my ideology.

That is the best I can offer. I will not be a part of the killing of the true party, but if that is who the party nominates, I will remain publicly neutral until after the election.

[lagomorph777]

21. I'm afraid that's where I am too. After Hillary's warmonger speech I'm done with her.

Offer me a choice between Trump's random wars and Clinton's planned wars, and I will choose another candidate.

[HarmonyRockets]

39. You sound like one of 2000's

Ralph Nader voters. And that worked out just great for anti-war folks.

[lagomorph777]

43. I'm pretty bummed.

Obama kept Cheney's wars going, and Clinton added some more in Syria and Libya. I don't see how she would improve that situation, when she (in her own words) does not want to.

[HarmonyRockets]

88. I don't see Trump improving the situation either.

[Joe the Revelator]

47. Not at all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. And then there were 300,000 conservadems that voted for bush

and voter caging, but you got those two minutes of hate.

[HarmonyRockets]

89. Which is why

any progressive should support the Democratic nominee in a general election.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. Let me get this straight you need progressives now

after you told progressives for months that you did not? Sorry charlie, many are taking you at your words. You don't need progressives, but you can sure try to convince the Conservadems who have a history of crossing over starting with Reagan and who hate the nominee with a hot white hate that you cannot even comprehend.

This also explains the outreach to REPUBLICANS

But really, you want to have it both ways, diss them and then tell them they'd better vote for the nominee of the dog gets it?

BRILLIANT!!!!

For the record, I know I am going to pretend to vote, because Stalin said it best, It mates not who votes, but who counts it.

[HarmonyRockets]

118. I don't care if you are a conservadem or progressive

If you are on the left and you decide to vote Republican or third party or stay home you are just wrong. I don't see the difference between a conservative Democrat voting for the Republican or a progressive voting 3rd party. They both defeat the purpose. I don't know what you mean when you say I told progressives that we didn't need them. I've never said anything like that. I'm a progressive myself and I've always thought everyone on left should unify behind whoever the Democratic nominee is.

Anyways, I don't see any conservative Democrats on this board saying that they would vote for Trump. I've not seen that once, so I don't know how its very relevant here. I have seen multiple Bernie supporters say they might not vote in the GE or that they may vote for Jill Stein however. That's completely analogous to 2000 and progressives voting for a spoiler like Nader and handing Bush the presidency.

[nadinbrzezinski]

120. Or the dogs gets it BRILLIANT

actually my friend, the theory of protests votes will be tested this year I suspect. There are 45 states where protest votes will be cast in larger numbers. You might want to read into the Granger movement.

And no you are not seeing 300, 000 residents of florida on this board saying they will vote for Trump, but I guarantee they will.

Hell I know a couple folks here who in June will vote for HRC to keep the commie out, and vote for Trump in November, they are very conservative democrats and boy do they hate the Clintons.

[HarmonyRockets]

132. You'll have to explain

your "protest votes" theory. The only thing "protest votes" by progressives are going to accomplish is getting Trump elected. Unless they all just happen to occure in non-swing states. We've already seen that even a small amount of "protest votes" in a swing state can spoil an election. I don't know why you keep bringing up Democrats voting for Rebulicans. I'm obviously in agreement that that would be wrong too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

137. It is basic poli science

but if you have enough protest votes, to actually rise above a certain percentage of votes, lets say 10 percent, both national parties do change policies to slam this. It has happened before, no, not 2000. The best known example was the protest votes during the Grenger hall movement, in the 1870s, The Dems paid attention and started to trend away from business. Social Security did not come from the Dems either, but the Socialists. Another set of protests votes in 1932...

So I expect many people to vote Green this year, and in states such as oh California, it is strategic. If they get it above 15, well that really starts to worry party establishments

[Ed Suspicious]

138. I am only a Democrat the extent that they embrace progressive

policy positions. Absent that embrace I'm an independent. Leftist first second. In fact I'm right about where Bernie is.

[HooptieWagon]

140. What has the Third Way ever done for progressives?

Why the hell should we vote for a Republican calling themselves "New Democrats"?

[HooptieWagon]

136. Hillary was pleased as punch to have a war to vote for.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

17. Discussion

Making peace is difficult, but we only can make peace with enemies, not allies. It is tough, but can be done, I think. At least the discussion has begun.

[Maru Kitteh]

23. Things are still very painful and raw. It'll take a while but I'm

quite optimistic that long before November, it will be clear that Democrats are united against Trump.

[icecreamfan]

24. I have red lines

Oppose fracking and work aggressively to move 100% green energy.
Disband all super pacs immediately.
Support single payer healthcare.
Admit a no fly zone in Syria is batshit crazy.
Have a real college affordability/debt relief plan.

Do those things and I can be persuaded.

[tonyt53]

38. None of the things you mentioned have a chance in hell without Democrats running the country

That includes at least the WH and Senate. Bernie has done jack shit to help all but one person running for seat in the Senate. Why is that? Does he not know that the Senate has to change too? Why has he not talked about the need to vote for downticket Democrats during his pep rallies? There is no way that single payer healthcare can pass immediately. HRC tried that over 20 years ago. HRC has called for debt relief for student debt. The elimination of superpacs also depends upon Democrats running the Senate and WH. Oh, and that green energy thing, it also takes time, and the wheels are already moving in case you have missed it. Many parts of the country have no sustainable wind an many others do not have sustainable sunlight to warrant solar right now, but the wheels are turning.

[icecreamfan]

49. Even CNN wrote Sanders is a "prolific" fundraiser for Democrats

Enough nonsense about Sanders not supporting down the ticket.

Supporting single payer and believing it will pass right away are two different things. Clinton allies are currently working to kill single payer in Colorado. Why isn't she telling her allies to knock it off?

HRCs plan for student debt relief is a joke and doesn't go nearly far enough to ease the strain on those with college debt. While I have no college debt remaining, College debt is preventing young adults from buying homes, getting married and having babies. The demographic cliff it's creating calls for more than what Clinton is proposing.

The elimination of super pacs starts with having people who aren't dependent on super pacs getting elected. Clinton's lobbyists are pretty open about their contempt for getting big money out of politics and mock President Obama's efforts. https://theintercept.com/2016/06/03/heather-podesta/

Fracking threatens clean drinking water supplies and pumping methane into the atmosphere worsens global warming. The scarcity of clean drinking water in many parts of the world is going to lead to more conflicts and deaths than fossil fuels have. Incremental change isn't going to cut it.

[Tarc]

25. peace will be at hand on June 16th.

[seabeyond]

26. Clarify what you mean "earned a place at the Table". He has made demands of picking the VP,

her cabinet and she needs to adopt his policies. What do you mean "earned a place at the Table"?

Because I am telling you, having been an Obama supporter, I am not seeing how Clinton got to tell Obama what he needed to be doing. I mean, she was closer to him, than sanders is to her. And yet, we are hearing how she is suppose to allow Sanders to run the show because of his revolution.

Ya, Clinton got SOS from Obama, and yea for them, resolving. They did a fine job bringing the party together.

But I just read where no one is a progressive that voted for Clinton. Pretty damn insulting.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

76. A Place At The Table

Sanders is in a position to demand concessions from Clinton due to the fact that he has mobilized millions of voters to his side. If Hillary wants to defeat Trump in November, she needs Sanders support and the support of many (most?) of his voters/supporters. We (Sanders People) are not going to give our support away without concessions from Clinton and her camp. Without us, she will lose. It is simple politics.

Hillary might get the nomination, but she will lose the General Election without Bernie's support. This is why Bernie and his Supporters will continue the fight up to the Convention. If Hillary and her people are wise, they will start negotiating with Bernie right now. Sanders has mobilized many voters in what is a real Political Revolution. That is a force that should not be denigrated or ignored.

Politics is in part the Art of Compromise. Both sides need to make concessions to each other. Both sides have power. It is time to bury the hatchet and figure out what we need to do to become Allies against Trump. Not easy to do, but necessary. That is why I started this Thread.

As for what specific demands that Bernie might make, I will leave that to him and his more wonkish supporters. He is the professional politician. That said, I think it would include the clear adoption of some of his policy positions into the Democratic Platform. Other Sanders folks might chime in on the point of what concessions might be acceptable.

In any case, as a Sanders Supporter, I am offering an olive branch to the Hillary People. I would like to promote a respectful and rational discussion about this issue. I know there has been a lot of bad blood between partisans in both camps. We need to get beyond bad blood and insults. If we are to defeat Trump in November, we need to begin working on a brokered peace between our two camps right now. That requires a more respectful and civil discussion on both sides. We need to begin the process here, I think. I hope that we can.

[seabeyond]

77. Threat. I am so fuckin tired of the bullying threat. I read only the first couple paragraphs

and could not stomach anymore. Threats. Fuck that shit.

"Coming together", my ass. That is how you started the Op correct?

When it is all about how we must submit, to you all, to come together? No.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

119. Compromise

I am suggesting that both sides make peace and compromise. I am not suggesting a one-sided list of demands. Politics is hard ball. I am sorry if you feel people are not "playing by the rules". The rules tend to be the law of the jungle. Politics is about power. We need to put the power in the hands of the people. I am sorry if that means making demands on some people. I sincerely hope for a brokered peace between the Clinton and Sanders camps, and then defeating Trump in November.

[seabeyond]

122. There is no compromise. I asked, you have not expressed a single bit of compromise anywhere.

But that if we submit to your threat, you will play nice. That is not compromise.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

134. Our Votes

We are compromising plenty. If Hillary wants our votes in November, we need to have some concessions. In a compromise, both sides give something and both sides gain something. We are offering our votes that will enable Hillary to achieve the White House. That is what we are offering.

In exchange, we want concessions and more than a simple rubber stamp over our concerns. We are millions of voters, Sanders Democrats and Independents. If Hillary wants our votes, she needs to give us some of our demands. That's democracy in action. Both sides need to stop sniping each other.

If Hillary wants our votes in the General Election, she needs to give the Sanders Wing of the Party a Voice. If she does not, she risks losing. Giving our votes to a candidate who is not our first choice IS A COMPROMISE. Sorry for the Caps, but it needs to be understood.

[seabeyond]

146. It is not a compromise. The election tells whose agenda. Geez, people. Never. You never hear the

loser dictate terms, yet here you are. No

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

174. Compromise

If Hillary does not work with us to earn our votes, she will be the loser in November. This election does not end at the Convention. She needs our support and our support must be earned.

Bernie is leading a movement that is partly outside Party Politics. Losing the nomination to Clinton is not the end of his Political Revolution.

Many of Bernie's Supporters are not even Democrats. Many are Independents. I would be careful about labeling Bernie a loser. Without his support, it will be Hillary who loses in November.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

81. Another Point

Another point is why this is different from 08. Hillary was (and is) a Democratic Partisan and Insider. Bernie is not. He places the People and his Principles above the Party. So, when Obama won the nomination, Hillary accepted this as a good Partisan.

Sanders supporters are not just Democrats, but many of them are Independents. Their loyalties are not to the Party, but rather to the People and the Progressive Principles espoused by Sanders. The Democratic Party is viewed as a vehicle for these Principles.

So, if Bernie and his Supporters (Democrats and Independents) are expected to support Hillary against Trump in the general election, there needs to be clear concessions by the Clinton Camp to the Sanders Camp. We are not going to quietly give our votes away. Bernie is placing Progressivism and the People above Party, and clearly will continue fighting for Victory.

[seabeyond]

84. Then Sanders should have run as Independent. That simple dude. Do not follow the rules, go away.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

124. The Rules

The Rules include a Convention, not a Coronation. Bernie has a large number of delegates. The Party is not a total winner take all system. The Sanders Delegates deserve to be heard at the Convention. If the Clinton folks try to silence the Sanders People, then we will lose in November. There needs to be a compromise and a peace brokered NOW or we all will lose.

[seabeyond]

147. YOU, Sanders is looking for the fuckin coronation. Not Clinton. She earned her votes, and won the

primary.

[seabeyond]

148. And you guys just are not all that. Plenty of Sanders supporters have no probably

voting Clinton. You do not have the threat you think you do.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

167. More Compromise

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I am sorry for our disagreement. I really mean no hostility. This really is just politics. Sanders supporters have the right to vote however they please.

I recognize that Hillary is the likely nominee. That is not the end of it. If she wants to win in November, She and her People need to bring Bernie and his Supporters into the fold.

The only realistic way to do that is to offer some sort of concession. I really feel that if Hillary disregards the Progressive Wing of her own Party, she will lose in the General Election. Not to mention that a lot of Sanders People are Independents.

So, to prevent a Trump Victory Hillary and Bernie need to broker some sort of deal (compromise). The deal would probably be some policy concessions for Bernie, in exchange for Bernie's endorsement and the votes of his supporters.

This is a COMPROMISE. Otherwise, Bernie's supporters could go off an vote for whomever, and Hillary could lose.

So, I meant no animosity in my prior posts. I was just describing a realistic politics of the situation. I hope that Hillary People and Sanders People can come together in opposition to Trump. That has been the purpose of this Thread from the beginning.

[seabeyond]

169. I was the first to say you have the right to vote, not vote whatever.

If you cannot vote Democratic, without a pay off, then don't vote. That is on you.

It is not a compromise. It is a threat, demand, bullying.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

173. Politics

I don't know what else to say to you. I am trying to be friendly, but I have to assert that People have a right to get something for their vote. Hillary is not entitled to my vote or anyone else's. She has to EARN it, just like any other candidate. This is politics.

We have a right to expect things from the people that WE vote to be public servants. That is Democracy. It doesn't make any sense to me to get sore about the idea that people have a right to use their own voting power to their own benefit. So, I am sorry that we have not seen eye to eye.

[seabeyond]

175. If progressive policy and progressive Supreme Court doesn't work for you, don't vote.

[Logical]

95. LOL, classy as usual.

[seabeyond]

101. You have a problem with me what clarification? You think I ought to argue something without

knowing wtf he is talking about? That is what class means to you?

[CrowCityDem]

28. It started long ago, on one side. Hillary has laid off Bernie for a good while now.

[Txbluedog]

29. The funny thing I think....

Is that there is more animosity between the supporters than the candidates themselves

[Peacetrain]

37. I havwe been thinking that myself as of late

[shanti]

34. "i am a sanders supporter, but..."

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you need go no further.

[840high]

40. +++I have a friend who

does the "but" all the time. I've learned how to tune her out.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

158. "But"

God Forbid that people have a nuanced and qualified view of things. I must say that I feel a little miffed to be treated like I don't support Bernie by Bernie Supporters. I have been going out of my way on this Issue because I care.

I really feel that this is a critical time for the Political Revolution Bernie has started. How Sanders People deal with the Democratic Convention is going to be critical. I dearly want this Progressive Movement to Continue on. That is why I have been making such an effort to post this Thread. I am trying to be reasonable and respectful to all sides.

Sorry if qualifications and the word "but" makes you tune out. I think this stuff is a real issue, though. I hope and expect that Bernie will crush it in California on Tuesday, but we soon will need a strong strategy about going into the Convention. Maybe some of you Bernie Folks might want a separate Thread on what Bernie Supporters should be thinking and talking about in regards to strategy for the Convention.

[kayakjohnny]

86. That was a red flag for me too.

See post #78.

[Ino]

109. Yah, a 50-post Bernie Butter

[HooptieWagon]

141. Bingo.

[Betty Karlson]

35. The real enemy is corporatism, of which Trump is only one of the symptoms. So no.

[840high]

44. +1

[HooptieWagon]

42. Camp Weathervane has made it clear that the Left isn't wanted,...

...and our votes aren't needed. Cool. That releases us from any obligation to hold our noses and vote for a Corporatist pretending to be a Democrat.

[B Calm]

59. I been called everything, including racist for supporting Bernie. I can't count how

many times I read where a Hillary supporter told a Bernie supporter to get the hell out of their party. Their party! Hell I'm 65 years old, been voting democrat my entire life, but now I no longer feel welcome. My father must be rolling over in his grave if he can see the party that labor built going third way.

[Chasstev365]

180. I'm with your B Calm

I was raised by a single mother and yet anytI me I point out a valid flaw with Ms. Clinton, I am a sexist pig.I was the only kid in my grammer class to vote for George McGovern in 1972 and have voted Democratic in every election since 1984. These people are NUTS!

[Trajan]

46. The poison had already been served, dark and cold ...

I'm still savoring the bitter vetches ...

No ... This won't do ...

The movement has begun ... We will see that the Democratic Party returns to it's FDR roots, or this movement will steamroll it's way into the national polity within the next cycle ...

I will not vote for republican policies, which, frankly, is all the Clinton's have at this point ... apparently it's 'too hard' to support policies that actually help regular people ...

She doesn't seem to have s a problem helping Frackers and the Private Prison Industry get all they wish for ... Yet, it's too hard to ask those same mega corporate entities to pay some taxes for the good of the whole country...

When the party you have fostered and supported your whole life suddenly turns into your enemy ...

Well? ...just what do you expect from us? .. What is your big plan to fix this?

Whatcha got? .. Spill it ...

[Buzz cook]

48. It takes time.

Once Clinton supporters are focused on the general most won't be bitching about Bernie bros. Once Sanders resigns most of his supporters will follow his lead and support Clinton.

Till then the games will continue

[HereSince1628]

50. I dunno about 'peace', a working alliance is sufficient

If Sanders will have an impact on restoring democracy to America and the Democratic party, that project is going to go on after Nov.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

142. Well Said

"Peace" might have been the wrong term. A "Working Alliance" is a good idea.

[B Calm]

55. Good luck with that!

[restorefreedom]

63. welcome to du, but nope

hillary has told me to piss off in about a hundred different ways. she neither wants nor needs my vote according to her putrid and vile behavior towards bernie and his supporters.

i am more than happy to comply

she and the dnc OWN the trump presidency that is to come.

[Cali_Democrat]

70. Nope. nt

[Beacool]

71. Thank you for your post.

I hope that common sense prevails, and that once people have some time to mourn and think, that we will unite to defeat Trump and the Republicans.

[kayakjohnny]

78. I'm not so convinced that you are a Sanders supporter.

Something doesn't smell right here.

[LAS14]

130. Why don't you search his/her posts? nt

[kayakjohnny]

151. I did.

It makes my case even stronger.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

149. I Am A Sanders Supporter

If I don't fit your idea of an orthodox supporter, sorry.

[kayakjohnny]

153. Anyone can say they are.

I just have my doubts.

Sorry.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

159. Honestly

Why would I be breaking my back over this Thread if I wasn't sincere?

[kayakjohnny]

162. You could just as easily be breaking your back

if you weren't sincere.

That's kind of my point.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

163. Why?

Why would I be trying to get concessions for the Sanders Camp from the Clinton People if I was not sincere? I have to tell you flat out that you are wrong. I AM sincere. You seem to imply some conspiracy theory. It doesn't make any sense.

I am newish to DU, but you can look at anything that I have posted and you will see that I am pro-Bernie. To assert otherwise is a bit paranoid. Sorry for the blunt term.

But maybe we got off on the wrong foot. I assume that you are a Sanders person. I am a Sanders person myself. We should therefore be allies.

In any case, I stand by my words and my posts.

[kayakjohnny]

165. OK. At this point I will have to take your word.

A few things seem a little off at the moment, but I will defer to the things I don't know about you or your motives.

I don't think most Sanders supporters share your view of unity just yet, or maybe ever.

It's a little off-putting to hear calls for unity when so many people's voices have not yet been heard.

It is a red flag to me, when anyone waves a white flag at this point.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

170. Caution

Thanks for taking me at my word. I understand your caution. I think Bernie is going to do really well in California, but at this point Clinton has so many Super Delegates it is a done deal. I am all for Bernie fighting through to the Convention. I think ultimately the best we can do is get some concessions out of the Clintonites in exchange for Bernie's endorsement. This is no small matter.

Hillary needs the Sanders vote in the General Election to beat Trump, so we have leverage. I don't view it as a white flag so much as a tactical calculation. I want Bernie and his supporters to be in as strong a position as possible. I really believe that this Progressive Movement that Sanders has ignited will go on past this election. So, we have to fight for our Principles, yet accept Political Realities. The Political Revolution will continue. People's voices will be heard.

[jeff47]

79. This would be an example of the result of a really stupid campaign.

Turns out, spending the primary calling your opponent's supporters racist, sexist, selfish, Volvo-driving hipsters that are all going to a special place in Hell to meet boys and get free stuff is not a good plan.

Who coulda known?

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. The best part is that even now they keep at it

[jeff47]

91. Well, they've had a year to come up with

a reason for us to vote for Clinton instead of voting against the Republican.

And a year later, they're still hurling insults....

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Yup

[pengu]

202. That sums up the entire primary for me

[beachbum bob]

82. Like this...Hillary never went at Bernie...

On the other hand....

[asuhornets]

85. Kudos for trying.....nt

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

160. Thanks

I appreciate the courteous sentiment. We need more civility, I think. Thanks again.

[malokvale77]

102. I'm not boarding that train. nt

[bigwillq]

116. It will be made.

Once the official nominee has been decided. Clinton and Sanders will be united in November.

[Hokie]

128. I sincerely hope you are correct.

I was confident Hillary would back Barack Obama after the bitter campaign in 2008. She did with dignity and fervor. I am less confident about Bernie. His end run to try to debate Trump was juvenile and throws up all sorts of red flag warning signs. I just pray he sticks to his word and doesn't try to do a third party run.

[LAS14]

127. I'm with you!

I'm happy to focus on the aspects of the Sanders campaign that I've admired from the beginning. I'm happy to have him give a rousing speech at the convention advocating his positions. They're good positions. I hope he gives another rousing speech to nominate Hillary to try to implement as much of his positions as she feels she can embrace.

[felix_numinous]

135. It's Hillary Clinton's job to make peace

by explaining to the American people what happened in NV and why so many people's votes have not been counted, and why she has treated people within the Democratic Party as if she does not represent us. Why does she hire a hoard of people with permission to be rude and insulting on a daily basis in order to demoralize us? Even now she expects her representatives to 'make peace' for her, the time for insults is over and now they are ordered to shift gears. It's freaking crazy behavior.

The Clintons have a mess of legal baggage to clean up that has no place in this election, and have offered nothing but lies and deflection expecting everyone's respect in return? Respect and trust are earned not demanded, and peace based on lies is not authentic.

We are being treated like children: 'OK get it out of your system' as if none of this ever happened. It is EXTREMELY dysfunctional behavior--and if it isn't addressed here and now there can be no common ground. You cannot build any relationship upon lies.

See you don't just treat people like this and then skip the explanation expecting everything to be good. Because it isn't.

[Joob]

152. I'm completely against money in politics from corporations, that's what I think.

[Jack Bone]

154. I think we ought to let the people vote!! nt

[Tal Vez]

176. I think that you're absolutely right.

I know what I am going to do. I am going to vote for the Democratic nominee whether it is Clinton or Sanders. I don't need to hear any debates with Trump. i am ready for the November election now.

[cilla4progress]

177. It will be

[CentralMass]

178. It is what it is.

[PowerToThePeople]

179. What do I think?

Obviously not the same things you think on this matter.

[Demsrule86]

181. I absolutely agree.

Hillary supporters are not the problem ...and no I do not mean to cast blame...just saying...most of us would vote for Bernie if he was the nominee to stop Trump. It is the Sanders supporters act like a Trump presidency is somehow the preferred outcome since Hillary is the nominee. I hope some will change their minds in time. .

[bvf]

211. "Hillary supporters are not the problem..."

Agreed. Their candidate is the problem.

[Sandersdemocrat2020]

183. Thanks

Thanks to everyone who posted on this Thread. I know there is a lot of disagreement, but I think it is important to hash this stuff out in public forums.

[StevieM]

184. It seems like many Sanders supporter only want peace if it comes along with the nomination.

And many, actually, don't even want it under those circumstances. They want Hillary treated like a pariah and embarrassment and drummed out of the party. Any future references to her should only be to remind ourselves of our terrible past mistakes.

[B Calm]

186. .

[Live and Learn]

189. I think we need change, big change, not peace. nt

[ucrdem]

190. Yes, and it will be a lot easier after one of them (ahem) bows out. It's just a matter of time.

Still it would be nice to end this sooner than later.

[Jitter65]

193. No, peace needs to made between Sanders and Hillary...he is fighting her, she is running her campaig

[amborin]

196. As soon as Hillary withdraws from the primaries, I will consider this

[Jack Bone]

201. WELCOME TO DU!!

[pnwmom]

204. I second that!

[Jester Messiah]

206. No Hillary, know peace.

Know Hillary, no peace.

[desmiller]

208. sounds like another get in line OP to me. sorry no can do.

[Rex]

209. I think the people that like to disrupt on this website have found a golden ticket to do so.

Cannot wait for the new rules to take effect! Bye bye serial disrupters!

[Orsino]

210. A platform, and commitment to it by the candidates, is how it will happen.

Not too progressive for Clinton's supporters, but with some substantial progressive stances that Sanders voters can get behind.

Compromise won't be as easy as in 2008, when there was a concession before the primary, and the two candidates weren't that far apart politically.