Sanders just killed whatever Latino support he had

[Txbluedog]

His campaign reduced the number of polling sites in PR and Latinos are saying it was in order to suppress their votes. This won't play well in Cali

[seabeyond]

1. He did it in Clinton's strong areas. Old and people have to work, can't wait in the lines. Nt

[AgingAmerican]

56. That is a flat out lie

[Jitter65]

97. Link to prove it please. Sanders supporters in PR did request that per the election officials there

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_sanders_campaign_requested_reduction_inbreaking_sanders_campaign_requested_reduction_in_number_of_polling_places_in_puerto_rico_per_msnbc_number_of_polling_places_in_puerto_rico_per_msnbc

http://www.inquisitr.com/3173097/did-bernie-sanders-suppress-voting-in-puerto-rico-officials-accuse-sanders-campaign-of-requesting-drastic-cut-in-polling-places-leading-to-long-lines/

Your turn.

[Maru Kitteh]

105. That's quite dissapointing

[KingFlorez]

3. No better than Republican tactics

All along we've been seeing posts saying that Clinton has been suppressing votes all, but it turns out that Sanders actually pushed for it somewhere. SMH.

[seabeyond]

6. That and wanting to turn over voters with SD. Amazing hypocrisy. Then he let Clinton take the blame

what a man.

[livetohike]

4. Implosion. Not good at all. N/t

[hrmjustin]

5. If this is true he should be ashamed.

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. I started this with a positive view of Sanders.

That is long dead. His disenfranchisement of voters is unaccptable.

[Txbluedog]

8. I will freely admit it, I have come to HATE the man

[GulfCoast66]

14. Hey man

No Bernie fan here at all, but do we as liberals want to hate? That is too strong, in my opinion.

[Hortensis]

15. Agree, for sure! But not all Democrats are liberals.

We are a diverse party, though of course liberals are the large and stable core that keeps us from ever wandering too far from liberalism.

[GulfCoast66]

17. Perhaps

Most Bernie supporters would consider me conservative because I am not a Socialist. But I try my best not to hate.

[Hortensis]

26. That's a good clue that you're probably a liberal.

[Scootaloo]

78. Yeah, totally no hate there. Good job.

[Doctor Jack]

25. I voted for him and up until a few weeks ago, wanted him to be the nominee

But I've reached my limit with the guy. He's become vindictive and full of himself. All of this shit about Clinton being the lesser of two evils and that she isn't qualified to be president and that there is no difference between her foreign policy and trumps. This scorched earth policy towards people that are supposed to be in the same political party has lost me. I shouldn't have voted for him in the primaries and I wouldn't vote for him if he steals the democratic nomination.

[Eric J in MN]

82. Did you ever make a pro-Sanders post at DU? NT

NT

[Buddyblazon]

88. No...

Captain Jack is making up the whole part of him once supporting Bernie. Here's a thread of his from February:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1301180


No...he's never been a Bernie supporter. He's just trying to stir shit up.

[Scootaloo]

28. And I've come to laugh at hatemongers with a membership date measured in days.

[NurseJackie]

31. Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT

On Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I will freely admit it, I have come to HATE the man
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2133731

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Expressing your Hate can land you in jail with the right judge

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:39 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alert text is weird. What does a judge have to do with it? Anyway, I think this is okay until the general election mode.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: @Alerter: HUH? "...land you in jail..." ?? What kind of alert is that?

The sentiment expressed here isn't something that I'd say about Sanders, but it hardly rises to the level of being alerted on or hidden. And the alert itself makes no sense either. Unless there's some oblique reference to some other inside-joke or feud that I'm unaware of. And even then, it's a pretty weak alert that doesn't even bother to describe what rule has actually been violated. I vote to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Just over the line. Writer can feel as he wishes. And Alerter's point about judges is weak. But Hate? I would vote against hatred of either Clinton and Sanders. God, I'll be glad when the convention -- not the pundits -- choose a nominee.
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[LoverOfLiberty]

46. No hate please

we reserve that for the othe(R) side.

[Hortensis]

81. Good message, and 91.8% true. :)

[bkkyosemite]

54. Hate the man..OMG!................

[AgingAmerican]

55. Thats because you buy into the Brock propaganda

[Jester Messiah]

101. At the company store with an employee discount. n/t

[Buddyblazon]

89. You've always hated him...

Show us a post from when you supported Bernie. I'll gladly eat my hat if you can show us a post from a time you didn't hate him.

[workinclasszero]

9. Oh yeah Hillary supporters need to get this info

out now!

All over Cali for sure before the primary tuesday.

This is going to piss off hundreds of thousands of voters!

[AgingAmerican]

64. Yeah, you do that

You are assuming that Hispanics are morons. You are wrong. This is going to backfire on the Clinton campaign so miserably.

[Petrushka]

70. While you're at it, don't forget to NOT confuse the issue with facts!

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-puerto-rico-polling-places/

[SpareribSP]

73. Are you telling me...

People LIED about Bernie?!?!?!?!?

[Hortensis]

83. No. Here's the PR Dem Party statement regarding

Bernie's latest claim that he was cheated. We've got a pattern going, all right, but so far it is NOT that the various state and territorial parties are the one trying to cheat. It looks instead like they have started trying really hard to foresee and protect themselves charges of cheating from the Bernie campaign.

"The claim that the Democratic Party is delaying the certification of the Sanders' poll workers is preposterous. The first complete set of pollworkers for tomorrow's primary we have certified were all from the Sanders Campaign."

Prats also said certifying poll workers is out of the hands of the party and that the Sanders campaign did not allow much time before it began accusing the party of fraud.

"Inmate voting is handled not by the Democratic Party but by the Commonwealth's Absentee and Advance Vote Administrative Board," Prats said. "I have been told that the Sanders campaign submitted their prison pollworker list at 6:10 pm on the evening prior to inmate voting and began complaining early in the following morning that the Board had not completed their pollworker's certification. But in the end, despite the late submittal, the Sanders campaign had representatives at the prison voting places."

He also accused the Sanders campaign of stealing two boxes of ballots that had been cast by prisoners before delivering them to an election office.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/282237-puerto-rico-democratic-party-denies-wrongdoing-in-primary

[SpareribSP]

91. Isn't this unrelated to the closing of polling places?

[Hortensis]

92. It's about what has become SOP for

the Sanders Campaign. We don't know yet if he tried to strategically close some polling places to benefit himself. But there is a now long, ongoing pattern of attempted election manipulation by Sanders.

[SpareribSP]

93. Isn't that hypocritical?

If you come back around now and say every time that a Sanders supporter has said there are voting issues it's a conspiracy theory I'll be pretty unimpressed. In any case, given the lack of any further information, I'll personally trust Sanders for now.

[Hortensis]

94. Waaay past time to stop trusting Sanders not to

do whatever he can to win this election. You can trust him to do that. You cannot honestly trust him not to try to overset the popular vote in states where he did not win. That would hypocrisy.

[SpareribSP]

95. Seems like it's down to personal beliefs.

You clearly dislike Sanders. Likewise, there's plenty of reasons to dislike and not trust Hillary. However, since were straying into the realm of beliefs and not facts, this will only end in pointless bickering.

[Hortensis]

96. Nope. I don't go on "belief." This isn't religion.

I did my homework early on and continued through the primary season.

One team was doing this. One team was accusing the other of sabotaging it. Both teams were Bernie's.

There is no excuse for not knowing this. Sanders is considered to have "lost" in 27 states now, and in more of those than not he claimed the count was doctored against him and/or accused the party of other types of corruption, filed lawsuits, etc. NONE of these charges were found to be true. Throughout the primary season he has used these phony charges and lawsuits as "background" to bolster charges to the press and at every rally that the election was being stolen from him/them.

Again, there is no excuse for not knowing this well before now. There can be good reason to vote for a dirty-tricks politician, but there is NO good reason to not know it.

[SpareribSP]

98. As far as I know

For the most part the Sanders supporters have been the ones to call fraud, and there haven't been recounts. There also were those odd counts in Chicago etc. that got people all riled up. Bernie claimed lawsuits in Arizona for instance, but I believe he also did include in that lawsuit the fact that it was the GOP who were largely to blame and talked about the closed polling stations rather than outright cheating. The Brooklyn voter purge also for instance was highly irregular.

You also in caucuses have had states which Bernie won be largely run by Hillary supporters, and I've heard stories from those about people trying to do tricks there to get as many votes for Hillary as possible, such as keeping people extremely late, or counting early, or trying to get people to leave the room etc. That's part of the reason why there was such an uproar in Nevada - there were also people saying things were fishy in Washington, Minnesota etc.

There's also the fact that in 2008 discrepancies were found in the voting totals, such as this - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html

I think when Bernie speaks about things being "rigged" some of the things he's talking about are, for instance

- Super delegates, which are undemocratic, but are the rules of how the game is played.
- CNN's parent company is one of the top ten doners to the Hillary campaign, yet claim to provide objective coverage.

Long story short, you're going to have to do a lot more than that to convince me that Bernie is a systematic cheater. You'd have to try extremely, extremely hard to prove to me that he's got less regard for rules and is more into dirty tricks than Hillary.

[Hortensis]

99. How can you not know CNN's been trying to

take Hillary out since before 2008? As well as the rest of the NY and DC-based MSM? There's a world of information out there, but you really should sift out the crap before you dig in.

[SpareribSP]

103. You think the MSM is more biased towards Bernie than Hillary?

[seabeyond]

102. +1. Nt

[Dawson Leery]

10. Chuck Schumer will deal with him.

[AgingAmerican]

65. Suuuure he will

[RandySF]

11. Puerto Rico got Berned

[Garrett78]

12. Where do long lines typically occur?

In high population areas, of course.

Which candidate fairly consistently does better in high population areas?

The "rigged for Clinton" stuff was never logical.

[KingFlorez]

19. Is that all you all know how to do? Bring up Brock?

Sanders the Valiant got caught pulling the same crap he's been accusing Clinton over. You are busted.

[PeaceNikki]

21. And he'll retread 5 year-old disagreements with you if he *really* likes you.

[desmiller]

16. No campaign has the power to reduce or increase the number of polling sites.

I hereby declare your claim: A CROCK OF SHIT!!!


Naughty list you go!!!

[virtualobserver]

33. apparently Bernie is emperor of Puerto Rico.....this might be the dumbest attack yet on Bernie

[procon]

18. The worst part is that he's just laying low and letting Hillary take the blame.

He knows what his campaign did, but he isn't even honest enough to tell the truth. This is not how a president behaves. He was sneaky and underhanded, he sabotaged his own elections prospects -- probably because he had little chance of taking PR -- and by omission, he lied to his followers and just stood by and let them bash Hillary. Is he also using the opportunity for fundraising as well?

[seabeyond]

23. Yes. Exactly. A coward of a man. Nt

[Eric J in MN]

80. Were you ever arrested while protesting? NT

NT

[Eric J in MN]

79. No. The Sanders camp explained this is bogus.

“In emails with the party, Sanders’ staff asked the party to maintain the 1,500 plus presidential primary locations promised by the Puerto Rico Democratic party in testimony before the DNC in April, when the party was asking to have its caucus changed to a primary,” the statement said.

“They cannot blame their shoddy running of the primary on our campaign. This is just one example of irregularities going on in Puerto Rico voting today. We are the campaign that has been fighting to increase voter participation.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/sanders-campaign-no-bernie-sanders-did-not-try-to-close-polling-locations-in-puerto-rico/

[joshcryer]

20. No, his "supporters" who are going to shrug it off will do that.

Sanders campaign is just doing what it has to do.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Right, and Ronald Reagan was the first AIDS activist and chairs and bottles were thrown and

that was not Bernie in those photos and on and on and on. Impossible to believe the endless smears produced 'for Hillary'.
I have come to loathe the culture she grows around her.

[AgingAmerican]

66. This time they are assuming Hispanics are morons

And easily fooled. This bozo move will blow up in Hillary's face.

[tarheelsunc]

24. Hope this is BLASTED all over media.

This is the sort of voter suppression bullshit people NEED to know about.

[AgingAmerican]

68. I hope so too

Because you guys are not even trying to hide the fact you are making the whole thing up, and it will just backfire on the Clinton campaign.

[Sinistrous]

27. Another slice of Brock-wurst.

[hrmjustin]

29. All they can do is call you a Brock troll. How sad!

[Txbluedog]

32. They have nothing of substance to argue with expect this Brock sh##

Now they are claiming Sanders and his campaign has nothing to do with this. Since MSNBC reported this and if they are wrong, why hasn't someone from the Sanders campaign issued a statement to the contrary

[AgingAmerican]

36. The DNC has been caught committing election fraud in Puerto Rico

So they do this. It's called 'projection"

[hrmjustin]

38. Sanders campaign has not denied the report.

[snot]

49. Yes they have; see http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280207891 .

[hrmjustin]

50. Yes. Thank you.

[AzDar]

60. Here You GO! Now... OWN UP TO YOUR BULLSHIT and self-delete...

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[Buddyblazon]

90. Welcome to DU...

Have you enjoyed you first 14 days here, Txbluedog?

[virtualobserver]

35. no other option...How could Bernie possibly have the power to reduce the number of polling places?

Answer: He couldn't. Plus, he wouldn't want to if he could.

[hrmjustin]

37. The locals in PR are saying his campaign requested fewer voting sites because he didn't have enough

vote monitors.

The Sanders campaign has not denied this.

[virtualobserver]

39. So Bernie is in charge.....the Democrats there just do whatever Bernie asks.

Please.

[hrmjustin]

40. No he doesn't have that power but the point is they are making the claim he made this request.

And there is no denial.

[virtualobserver]

43. They made the decision, and they sure as hell wouldn't do it to accommodate Bernie.

[hrmjustin]

44. Whether they did or not they are vlaiming his campaign requested less polling places.

Waiting to see a denial.

[AgingAmerican]

69. It never happened, the whole thing is a made up lie

The Hillary campaign is attempting to damage the Sanders campaign reputation with Hispanics at the last minute before the California primary.

Her supporters are assuming that Hispanics won't see through what they are doing. Her supporters assume that Hispanics are easily fooled. This whole stupid episode reeks of Karl Rove level slime, and will backfire miserably on the Clinton campaign.

Her campaign has no integrity. Anyone can easily see howcome voters are fleeing her campaign like townspeople fleeing Godzilla.

[virtualobserver]

41. It also hasn't denied forcing all supporters to get "Feel the Bern" tattooed on their asses.

[hrmjustin]

42. Oh ok.

[MinnesotaRob]

57. Wrong.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-puerto-rico-polling-places/

[azmom]

30. Nope

[AgingAmerican]

34. Translation: DNC/Hillary reduced the number of polling places in PR

Then do this....

[Gothmog]

45. From my twitter feed

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/739610752470921216

Per @tonydokoupil, Puerto Rico's Democratic Party is blaming Sanders's campaign for long lines & confusion today:

[snot]

47. What is the source for the claim that Bernie had the power

to cause P.R. and/or the DNC to reduce the number of polling places?!?!

[snot]

48. Just found this RESPONSE:

FROM http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280207891 :

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign issued the following statement Sunday on long lines at polling places in Puerto Rico’s Democratic Party presidential primary election:

“Some Puerto Rico Democratic officials are claiming that the Sanders campaign requested fewer polling places in today’s primary contest. That’s completely false. The opposite is true. In emails with the party, Sanders’ staff asked the party to maintain the 1,500 plus presidential primary locations promised by the Puerto Rico Democratic party in testimony before the DNC in April, when the party was asking to have its caucus changed to a primary. They cannot blame their shoddy running of the primary on our campaign. This is just one example of irregularities going on in Puerto Rico voting today. We are the campaign that has been fighting to increase voter participation.”

[renate]

62. the suggestion certainly sounds ridiculous

As if the Democratic party, under DWS, ever gave a damn what Bernie Sanders wanted.

I think we're all so riled up from the primaries that it's a knee-jerk response to assume the worst of the candidate we don't prefer, but a moment's thought about this one would have stopped the lie from spreading.

[haikugal]

51. That's another Brock/Hillary lie....talk about sleeze, how low can you go Hillary???

[Sheepshank]

52. It was a terrible move.

Completely backfiring, especially the part where they attempt to blame Hillary for the closed polling places.

[Zambero]

53. So he lost, as was expected

Oregon has by far the best (and cheapest) voting system, 100% by mail with no lines or confusion as to voting location. I'm at a complete loss to explain why this has not become universal.

[Hortensis]

84. Vote by mail's good but causes huge DROP in participation,

something like 13% on average, swinging way up toward a third or so in some populations. The voting enthusiasm generated by receipt of the ballot gets old before election day finally arrives. Turns out turnout is less about convenience than once thought. Apparently though, according to one study, a series of mailed reminders can bring the participation back up.

This doesn't address the little issue of disenfranchising people who for any of 1000 reasons have no current address on file to mail the ballot to. Not okay at all.

Plus, if the GOP and big business were to succeed in privatizing mail delivery so that peoples' boxes were at some parking lot over on the edge of the neighborhood, that'd be likely to drop participation too, especially for the elderly. A future problem, but one to consider.

At this point I'm for automatic voter registration and compulsory voting, except for those who officially opt out, combined with mail-in, combined with polling places. In any case, most governments are watching the states experimenting with this.

[Zambero]

100. It's a self-imposed drop

Some may have heard the analogy of leading the horse to water but then having it refuse to drink?

If convenience, non-reliance on vehicular transportation, standardization, equal access, and low cost are detriments to participation in a democracy, then the problem would not be with the system itself.

Enthusiasm is dampened mightily by long lines, lack of available parking, and distant polling places, not to mention conflict in personal schedules.

[Hortensis]

104. Zambero, ALL the problems with democracy are with

the people, and there are always lots of problems.

It just happens that the more people vote, the more democratic, and more healthy and liberal, our republic is, while the fewer who vote the more they and the nation get screwed over by the wealthy few.

That's why the few have worked for so long and so cleverly to make people unhappy with their government. People ignore the fact that every election is a chance for revolution and instead typically react by not voting.

That's also the main reason why, even though as a liberal I do regard the vote as a sacred duty, I want mandatory voting. It'll be over the Koch' and others' families billions, though.

The struggle of who gets to run this nation and for whose benefit began with the writing and passage of the various forms of the Constitution, has continued in various places and ways every day since, and will continue every day into the future.

[Zambero]

106. Good points mostly

However, I would stop short of mandatory voting. For a couple of reasons:

1. In a free society, the freedom of non-participation should be recognized. Some religious groups (most Jehovah's Witnesses for example) choose not to participate in civil elections as a tenet of faith. "Religious freedom" enters the picture.
2. A forced vote is more than likely to bring in an even higher percentage of low-to-no information ignorant voters. Hard to imagine, but it stands to reason. I would prefer a smaller better-informed electorate, willing to weigh in on issues, with non-participants content to live with the results of sitting it out. And yes, I realize that there is a sizeable component of ignorant and/or bigoted voters as it stands, but increasing theri ranks won't help either.

Having a President, Congress, and Supreme Court that sends the Citizens United ruling to the trash heap of history is the best way to disarm the Kochs money machine and others like them. But frog marching people to the polls will not always get the desired result.

[jpmonk91]

58. You just killed my faith in you

To have the ability to think critically. Get out of my fucking party!

[AzDar]

59. LIES. You should self-delete to avoid looking MORE DESPERATE and RIDICULOUS...

ONE, And ONLY ONE Candidate Has Been Promoting/Encouraging Getting EVERYONE TO VOTE...

And it AIN'T HILLARY CLINTON...



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[frazzled]

61. He never had Latino support to speak of

It is a demographic that Clinton has led throughout this race. He was certainly never going to win Puerto Rico under any circumstances. And once again, he plays victim whenever he loses, and then makes false charges, and false defenses. It's getting pathetic ... and stupid: the more he rails against the system and the "elites" and makes up conspiracies, the more bridges he burns and the less chance he has to sway a single superdelegate, which is his only (albeit insanely unrealistic) hope. I've never seen anything like this from a candidate in my life.

[Ken Burch]

63. It was the PR Dems doing that, not Bernie.

There's no good reason for threads like this.

[Live and Learn]

67. What a ridiculous claim. California Latinos are not stupid and won't fall for that. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

72. So does that mean the people waving Mexican Flags & attacking Trump supporters weren't "berniebros"?

Inconceivable!

[Eric J in MN]

77. Bogus accusation from head of PR Democratic Party

...who told people to vote for Clinton.

He's trying to shift blame for his own failure to have enough polling places onto Sanders. Sanders wanted to have lots of polling places.

[lakeguy]

85. aaaaand another lie...

how many orchestrated lies is that now? and 90+ % of HRC followers just believe it, even one as numb as this.

sheeple.

[Matt_in_STL]

86. Just when you think Clinton and her supporters have scraped the bottom of the barrel

They find another shit sandwich to feed the masses and have it washed down by the Kool-Aid. If the party wants to claim this is true, let's see some proof. Produce the emails, produce the requests, or retract the lies and admit it is a political game - the same as every time a primary comes up and the Clintons throw out another ridiculous claim that gets proven false.

[Autumn]

87. He done kilt my pa too. My own pa.

But wanna know the worst part? Bernie ate the last donut!!

[KULawHawk]

107. Yet..

Msnbc this morning said Latinos under 45 in CA now support Bernie by at least 68%.


Does 68% = dead?