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Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:28 PM Jun 2016

You brought it on yourself, Secretary Clinton

I have to chuckle when I see a Clinton post complaining of the damage Senator Sanders is doing to her by not abandoning his campaign weeks ago. And that they are worried that Sanders supporters may not support the Democratic nominee.

Here's a thought: Stop the nonstop ad-hominem attacks on Bernie supporters calling them crazy, violent, "BernieBros", "Bernistas", and having your surrogate say she "fears for her life." Give me a break.

If you stop slapping them in the face and debate the issues you might find they would support Clinton over Trump any day.

And to verify my suspicions, perhaps a poll might help...or set me straight for being so naïve.


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Have Clinton and her surrogates keep slamming Sanders supporters hard as a campaign strategy
2 (5%)
Address the issues with Sanders, stop slamming Sanders supporters in ad-hominem attacks
37 (95%)
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You brought it on yourself, Secretary Clinton (Original Post) Roy Rolling Jun 2016 OP
Feeling persecuted? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #1
You just proved my point Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #43
Yes Hillary stop posting on DU MattP Jun 2016 #2
No... Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #52
Such delicate flowers - I thought revolutionaries were tough than that. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #3
Another ad-hominem attack Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #44
This entire thread is one ad-hominen attack. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #46
And how is that? Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #53
She can't address the issues she's been running away from them for a year now. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #4
You do realize people are actually getting death threats correct? Agschmid Jun 2016 #5
About those death threats---Whoever made them should be arrested and jailed. panader0 Jun 2016 #26
Your not suggesting , surely TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #38
well, throwing the chairs was made up. panader0 Jun 2016 #40
No Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #50
Let them worry all the way to the convention. bvf Jun 2016 #6
It will make them stronger Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #54
Agreed for the most part bvf Jun 2016 #64
Brought what on herself? SHE'S WINNING! randome Jun 2016 #7
I'll slow it down for you Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #55
I've never seen Clinton on DU...what ID is she using? Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #8
so all of this pissing and moaning IS about kissing your asses! puffy socks Jun 2016 #9
... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #10
Please tell me you're not using Mohammad Ali's photo to promote yourself. That would be floriduck Jun 2016 #51
You left me smiling. Thanks. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2016 #15
Glad I could send some happiness your way. puffy socks Jun 2016 #19
The only dishonesty.... Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #56
I don't care what Hillary and/or her supporters say or do. djean111 Jun 2016 #11
well said n/t dana_b Jun 2016 #25
bravo Hiraeth Jun 2016 #48
I hear ya Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #57
long time til November and I never said how I would or wouldn't vote. supporting and voting Hiraeth Jun 2016 #59
Wow, never thought Democrats would have thinner skin than Donald Trump. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #12
Ad-hominem attack reply #6 Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #58
There's nothing they can do to fix this. Ino Jun 2016 #13
She and her supporters have already... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #16
Not all of us have said that PJMcK Jun 2016 #20
Spoken like a true man of principle? Hortensis Jun 2016 #30
Exactly . TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #39
Take a look at the posts from posters.... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #14
There's about a dozen or so of them who were banned for their bad behavior Kentonio Jun 2016 #18
"However...I really don't like being talked down to, called names, ridiculed. " puffy socks Jun 2016 #21
You joined in Apr 2016 and yet: JimDandy Jun 2016 #34
Dozens of HRC supporters joined mid April. panader0 Jun 2016 #42
April 2016 Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #60
Nice touch Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #62
Well... wyldwolf Jun 2016 #17
Oh, is that her new jacket? Duval Jun 2016 #28
Option 3: Ignore Bernie Sanders, like everyone else will starting on Wednesday. brooklynite Jun 2016 #22
In your dreams. Duval Jun 2016 #29
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #47
Bernie supporters are as bad or worse Dem2 Jun 2016 #23
I am only responsible for my vote. What others do is irrelevant to me. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #24
I'm too sick of the name callers to answer your poll. nt valerief Jun 2016 #27
Stop the Bernie supporters blackmailing of Hillary supporters upaloopa Jun 2016 #31
Last gasp death throes MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #32
Why should any punches be pulled as long as he sets himself up as an opponent? baldguy Jun 2016 #33
They should keep up the cheap attacks on Sanders and then pretend to be all butt hurt tularetom Jun 2016 #35
Has a VEEP selection ever been so vital to the process? on both sides. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #61
24h for Phase I, 10d for Phase II Tarc Jun 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Jun 2016 #41
Such nasty responses encouraging negative attitudes. elleng Jun 2016 #37
Ahhhhh, the irony...... Beacool Jun 2016 #45
It would make me question your principles. BKH70041 Jun 2016 #49
Another ad-hominem attack Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #63

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
43. You just proved my point
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jun 2016

Instead of addressing issues, an ad-hominem attack from an admitted Clinton supporter.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
52. No...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jun 2016

...stop over-generalizations and find a better way to court the electorate than ad-hominem attacks on your opponent's supporters. And if you want to be petulant, it will make your job of begging for those peoples' votes exponentially tougher.

Your choice.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
53. And how is that?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jun 2016

What is the ad-hominem attack? And if you deny the observational premise, I suggest you read the first few ad-hominem attack replies from Clinton supporters.

And mind you, I am not rabid either way. You can read my posts. And even though somewhat neutral, I have been targeted by Clinton supporters for being identified as a "BernieBro" or some similar straw man.

And I also get pleas from Clinton supporters---who I will likely support over Trump if nominated---to vote for Clinton. So attacking me, a likely supporter, is stupid. And it all comes from the arrogance of Clinton supporters assuming they can unload on someone because he deserves it for being a stereotype "Bernista".

It's sad.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
26. About those death threats---Whoever made them should be arrested and jailed.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016

But there have been no arrests that I've heard of. Shouldn't it be very easy to review the cell phone numbers
and find the callers? Making death threats is a serious matter. I'm sure the police take it seriously.
Can you tell me who has been arrested?

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
38. Your not suggesting , surely
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jun 2016

...that they made shit up ? I mean I am sure with that level of vitriol the Police are all over it .

panader0

(25,816 posts)
40. well, throwing the chairs was made up.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

Barbara Boxer fearing for her life was made up. The rules were made up.
It just seems to me that every call would have a record of the phone number.
Shouldn't the police be able to look at the phone of the people who got these death threats
and find them easily? Like I said above, death threats are serious, and those making them should be prosecuted.
I don't believe there have been any arrests.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
50. No
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

I do not ascribe hyperbole and exaggerations as Sanders supporters. I do not even ascribe the reported death threats to the Sanders campaign, and any "rogues" out there who make threats should be reported to authorities (I assume these volumes of alleged death threats have been reported and investigated by law enforcement). Then, if suspicious, the person should be immediately arrested.

Taking offense and becoming self-righteous for our prejudicial behavior ignores the plea for votes. What campaign can afford to attack another candidates primary supporters? The idea is to get votes, not prove how you have a case of the vapors from something read. And if someone has threatened our life, OR WE KNOW OF SUCH A THREAT, it should be reported to law enforcement.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
54. It will make them stronger
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jun 2016

There are good reasons to concede by Sanders and there are equally good reasons to carry on.

I think the most important reason to carry on is that it would be bad form to quit on the younger supporters who have come into the political process for the first time. To abandon those people's vision to do no less than remake the entire money-for-hire political process risks them NOT staying around to support Clinton, should she be the nominee.

They are there for a change, not for a political party's inflexibility.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
64. Agreed for the most part
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jun 2016

but I cannot think of any reason whatsoever for Sanders to concede. None at all.

If Clinton in fact becomes the nominee and by some miracle manages to beat Trump, the young can watch that vision of getting money out of politics go up in smoke. Citizens United has been very, very good to her, and I don't buy her bullshit about doing anything about it for a second. Nor do I think it will be long before the next military quagmire. Wall Street would do a jig at the prospect.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. Brought what on herself? SHE'S WINNING!
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jun 2016

Without a doubt -imo- the most vindictive, bitter and nonsensical posts have come from the Sanders supporters. They are, and have always been, Sanders' worst enemy.

To use your own parlance: you brought it on yourselves.


[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
55. I'll slow it down for you
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

Perhaps you may not know it, but if Secretary Clinton is the nominee she will, and already is, need to court Sanders supporters.

And perhaps you have not seen articles that the Clinton campaign is concerned Sanders supporters will not vote for her in the General Election.

So if she is concerned about Sanders supporters, call off the dogs on them.

I will vote for Clinton, regardless, but beating up on YOUR OWN LIKELY SUPPORTERS is how elections are lost.

I hope this has been of some help.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
8. I've never seen Clinton on DU...what ID is she using?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jun 2016

perhaps you are confusing her message with the messages of disrupters, GOP agents, over-zealous supporters, and supporters without interpersonal skills.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
9. so all of this pissing and moaning IS about kissing your asses!
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

"If you stop slapping them in the face and debate the issues you might find they would support Clinton over Trump any day. "

because we do debate the issues, and then get called all kinds of names for dong it. Then multiple pouty OPs like this one try and depict Berners as nice peaceful posters just calmly posting facts over and over.
What a load!

"And that they are worried that Sanders supporters may not support the Democratic nominee."
Not me
But the Berners so wish it were all of us. They sure want an ego strokin' and it wouldn't change a thing they'd still vote against their own interests just to be spiteful. It is who they are. I couldn't care less what Berners do. Thousands will get try to get themselves arrested in Philly trying to make a point because they are too naive to realize they are making themselves look like fools. but just thousands. The reasonable Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary.


Numerous posts on DU from BoBs say "we need to be enticed &quot like this is sex or food or something! ) and the reason they won't vote for her is "shes a war hawk." that is followed by HC supporters who then point out Bernie has voted for more wars than she has.. all are justified with baloney by BoBers ....his votes were for the"good wars" , apparently.

oIh and I love the loaded poll questions

Have you stopped beating your wife , answer only yes or no....

more dishonesty from the Sanders camp...figures.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
51. Please tell me you're not using Mohammad Ali's photo to promote yourself. That would be
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jun 2016

fucking stupid and disrespectful. Have a thread of decency, man!

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
56. The only dishonesty....
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

...is that you use an ad-hominem attack saying the post is "more dishonesty from the Sanders camp".

Nice try, not Sanders camp, and your ad-hominem attack on someone you don't know proves my point. Such tactics do not earn votes.

And you know what? Politics is about kissing asses of the public. It's called being humble. If a politician is too arrogant to do it they should find another profession other than public service.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
11. I don't care what Hillary and/or her supporters say or do.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jun 2016

I will not support Hillary because of the issues. She will always be a warmongering Third Wayer corporate shill, and her supporters are irrelevant. Nasty little things, some of them, but irrelevant.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
57. I hear ya
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jun 2016

I am just more practical and would not allow my non-participation turn into a vote, by default, for someone like DT.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
59. long time til November and I never said how I would or wouldn't vote. supporting and voting
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jun 2016

(in my mind) are two different things. My vote doesn't matter anyway. My state will go to Trump. Solid Red State here.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
58. Ad-hominem attack reply #6
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jun 2016

Thank you all ad-hominers for proving my point. The poll votes were just lagniappe.

This reply is especially demonstrative, it compares me to Donald Trump.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
13. There's nothing they can do to fix this.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jun 2016

There's nothing she or they can say or do to make me trust her.

PJMcK

(22,197 posts)
20. Not all of us have said that
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

Senator Sanders has run a remarkable campaign and I know many people I respect who supported his efforts. The name calling and attitude is tiresome but it's election season so, what can you do?

Here's what I'm going to do: vote a straight Democratic ticket and try to get rid of the Republicans. They're the enemy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Spoken like a true man of principle?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jun 2016

What happened to what you guys stand for, and what on earth do we have to do with its apparent disappearance? Did it ever exist or was following Bernie just a chance to parade anonymously and throw verbal eggs at cyber opponents?

Our, as in liberal Democrats', main goal is, as it always has been, electing as many Democrats as possible so we can rev up undoing the destruction the GOP has done to our nation.

You guys need a purpose too. Hopefully pursuing the same progressive goals you started with by voting your beliefs in November.

In any case, your unhappiness at losing the primary is not our creation or our fault. It's all yours. Focus on something that matters instead of quarreling with a bunch of people you'll never meet and who'll all disappear from your cyberspace awareness at various points without notice.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
39. Exactly .
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jun 2016

It ain't our clubhouse so we may as well find a politician who might represent us . Strange concept I know but there it is .

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
14. Take a look at the posts from posters....
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jun 2016

Random and puffy_socks. I haven't really had too much of a problem with Clinton. I mean I have been here since 2004. I support the dem candidates every cycle.

However...I really don't like being talked down to, called names, ridiculed.

And damn straight...you insult me non stop for months...and THEN tell me I don't matter and you don't want my support....

I just say okay. Your berating wish is my command.

Want to put any money on how many insults I get for this comment?

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
18. There's about a dozen or so of them who were banned for their bad behavior
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jun 2016

And who didn't feel any need to act any differently after the amnesty. There might have been some truth to the complaints about jury system abuse, but there were also people banned for very good reasons who suddenly got a free pass and a get out of jail free card.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
21. "However...I really don't like being talked down to, called names, ridiculed. "
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jun 2016

That's really something Bernirbros should have thought about over a year ago.


I was nice for the entire year answering with only facts and links to sites that , before this election, were fine with Berners. That is until they didn't say what they wished to hear.
Hillary supporters have been relentlessly bashed regardless of politeness of their posts and Bernie supporters then have the gall to pretend there are no Berniebros and no harassing and no violence (yeah that guy was just picked up the chair because he was looking for his gum, right?) and not one of them sent nasty emails to SDs .
Lies , all lies... and every single Berner knows it.


I didn't start giving it back to Berners until April 2016 after I was told I was too old and afraid to fight because we kept asking them to stop being so rude and condescending...and if I couldn't take the heat I should go.

I know many other HC supporters were always polite still are because they refuse to get in the mud with Berners. I'm not as polite as they are You owe them some thanks... I don't care though. I'm civil enough.

So the Berners can stop playing the pity card, they took it to far.

They now reap what they've sewed.
They are receiving their well deserved kharma.
getting their just desserts,
getting their comeuppance,
getting their return from "the golden rule" ....

whatever you wish to call it.

Tough!

welcome to the reality that not everyone is going to put up with their crap .

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
34. You joined in Apr 2016 and yet:
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jun 2016
I was nice for the entire year answering with only facts and links to sites that , before this election, were fine with Berners. That is until they didn't say what they wished to hear.


Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
62. Nice touch
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jun 2016

Having a signature line about "all of us stopping Trump" while you rant about how you hate Sanders supporters is especially poignant.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
29. In your dreams.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jun 2016

No way will Sanders and his supporters will go away. He is trying to bring us back to our FDR roots.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
23. Bernie supporters are as bad or worse
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jun 2016

And since Bernie supporters outnumber Hillary supports like 5:1 here, I see posts like this as weak sauce whining.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
24. I am only responsible for my vote. What others do is irrelevant to me.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

So just do what feels good bro! I DO NOT CARE.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
31. Stop the Bernie supporters blackmailing of Hillary supporters
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jun 2016

You lost don't make demands on us. Whether you vote in November is your decision. We have no control over you.
For over a year you posted the most vile shit about Hillary and now you lost yet demand we play nice.

HELL NO!


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
33. Why should any punches be pulled as long as he sets himself up as an opponent?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

Bernistas & BoBs want to have it both ways: Clinton & her supporters are "fascist, neo-con Third Way DINOs" when they point out the simple fact that

*** * * * C L I N T O N __ W O N __ T H E __ N O M I N A T I O N ! ! ! * * * ***

now you plead for Clinton & her supporters not to respond in kind to these vicious & evil lies levied against them

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
35. They should keep up the cheap attacks on Sanders and then pretend to be all butt hurt
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jun 2016

when their girl goes down in history as the only person who lost a presidential election to a semi literate buffoon.

Response to Tarc (Reply #36)

BKH70041

(961 posts)
49. It would make me question your principles.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jun 2016

How do you slam a candidate as being a corporate tramp and then turn around and vote for them as "lesser of two evils"? Sander's supporters either meant it or they didn't. Grow a backbone.

Roy Rolling

(6,993 posts)
63. Another ad-hominem attack
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jun 2016

Question my principles all you want.

And repeat vile insults like "corporate tramp" about Secretary Clinton? Go troll some other post.

This is about ad-hominem attacks on primary supporters, and how they are BAD for a general election candidate. Your response indicates you disagree. Have a nice day convincing other potential voters with your wit and charm.

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