2016 Postmortem
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/739983730002022400Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Skink
(10,122 posts)The SD'S probably will consider that
George II
(67,782 posts)nbsmom
(591 posts)CA has 17.7 million voters, and about 44% are registered Dems.
For goofs, let's go with a 55% turnout tomorrow. So... 4.28 million total voters.
People are feeling the bern, and registering like crazy, so let's just give Bernie a 55% majority That's 2.35 million votes.
If Hillary gets, say, 42%, that comes out to 1.80 million voters.
(I left 3% off because there are a lot of people who won't vote for either candidate.)
Now... the registered "other" (or NPP), which is approximately 23% of the registered voters in CA. 55% of these voters comes out to 2.29 million. If Bernie gets a majority of these voters (and let's face it, they're probably NOT voting for Trump because then they might as well be registered Repubs), all of a sudden you've almost taken a huge chunk out of that lead of "3 million popular votes."
(And no, I don't see a bunch of NPPs voting for Hillary, or Repubs crossing over to vote for her, not tomorrow and not in the GE.)
So that's CA. Bernie will do well in the other states that aren't NJ, too. Not enough to get him past Hillary, but enough to give anxious SDs some pause.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)Some day maybe all primaries will be on the same day. Until then, we really have to encourage everyone to participate.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)I think many, if not most, people would have preferred that they wait until tomorrow night after the polls close to call it, Hillary included.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)PepperHarlan
(124 posts)And candidates like him in the future. If you're fed up with the system, that's not the way to fix it. Your idea would require even more money -- up front nonetheless. Bernie would have never gotten out of the gates.
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)system. To start, the mass media should be required to give a certain amount of free airtime to every candidate who makes it over a certain threshhold (I would suggest a certain number of signatures, gathered by unpaid volunteers). Broadcasters, at least, use public airways, so they can reasonably be asked to do this as payback.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)There are many class acts among Bernie supporters!
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Get the media to announce you've won and then issue a sort of retraction. Typical Hillary campaign underhanded sleazy tactics. Would be surprised if she didn't pull this kind of stunt. Bernie is going to win California handily tomorrow, probably bigger after this.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Sadly, these choreographed modesty optics will fool people.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Notice the RECs on these posts are next to nil. Just a random observation.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)and spot on!
dhill926
(16,337 posts)but close. I don't agree that there is a conspiracy at work here. Things are what they are...
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)You folks are getting......
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Good God give it a rest already.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)^ that
Avalux
(35,015 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)This could suppress the vote and take the steam out of the victory celebration.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)I already voted by mail, so all is cool!
+ 3 other family members here! All for Hillary!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)She and her surrogates have made it more than clear that she doesn't need anymore support, she's got what she needs.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)she already had the nomination locked up weeks ago.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)However, I'm afraid she and her supporters are gonna have to get much dirtier with Republicans than you ever were with Bernie and his supporters (admit it- you've all been pretty nasty) to do it without all the folks she had her supporters have told repeatedly to just fuck off.
I'm gonna hide and watch and see just how much pull Debbie Wassermann Shultz has with the RNC and how heavy her and is on their scales. Somehow I think she's gonna be pretty lightweight from here on out.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Nothing compared to the Bernie supporters, who are now pretending they've been such perfect angels, they asked for kit fore months , they are receiving it now and crying like babies about it...such tough revolutionaries.
The 5% of Bernie supporters being told to 'fuck off" because they behave like petulant children won't mean a thing come November.
Berners ruined their reputation fine all by themselves at the Nebraska convention and the San Jose Trump rally..
Bernie and co. have lost all respect. and no one buys the bull that those weren't Bernie supporters or that they were just peacefully protesting in Nevada, San Diego, or San Jose
So yeah she'll have no problem in the GE without these few fanatics. Its funny y'all think you have the numbers to make such a threat. '
She's beating Trump by double digits in the latest polls...kiss Bernie's Im the only one wh can beat Trump line o bull good bye.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You can minimize the number of supporters in your head if you like, but I think reality is gonna be a different thing.
So continue with the arrogance and gloating and don't forget to include the name calling and long ago debunked lies as you just did.
No. Democrats that support Bernie do not have the numbers to sway the election. But all the independents she needs to vote for her do- and if they all do fuck off as you all repeatedly tell them to do- well then I guess the voters in this country will have earned what they get.
You have good dreams now. Try not to think about all the tacky gold plated furniture Donald is going to have moved into the White House.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)pfffft...
because you've spoken with all Independents --like me.
On the teeny chance Trump wins. I wont be worried I have the assets to live through it with ease or move out of the country if I dont like it.
Do cut your nose off to spite your smug face because most of the Berners can't move and don't have the assets to avoid any hardships and will be ruled by Conservatives..so dont ever try veiled threats with me, sweetie.
and you can quit lying about me ever telling anyone on here to fuck off ..its never happened, but you all do like creating drama
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)we'll see who laughs last.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)all the way to Hillary's inauguration
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Nighty night
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Funny, You had to be looking in the mirror when you said that.
Why would I want to move? My house is almost paid for and already in my son's name so when I become disabled I won't have to sell it to pay some of the costs that the tax payer will have to shell out to cover my indigent care. And uh, no. I try not to retain any assets. My goal is to die in debt and let you smug well of f-wads pay higher prices for everything to cover the costs. I've already instructed him that when I die, he is to squander the life insurance money on booze, cheap women and drugs and to not dare pay my final bills. Oh and you know what? I'm gonna cost you even when I die. I'll let the county dispose of my body on the tax payer dime. I WANT MY DAMN FREE STUFF!
Oh and if you really think that I have threatened you in some way- please alert on my post. In fact, I insist.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)screwing the 99% by leaving your debt on them
So smart
I own my house and a condo
I actually pay my debts instead of screwing ppl
He perpetual threat is if HC supporters dont stroke berniebros egos or theyre not going to vote...or vote third party
and its an empty worthless threat
And I rarely alert because I want people to see what kind of crap Berners post
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Off the backs of other 99% ers
Pretty sickening
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Sweet dreams.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)AP announcement will depress her turnout for one...
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)You didn't give up till the primaries were over either. Not saying that is the time to give up, but don't expect less of your opponent now than of yourself in the past.
First nice thing I've heard from her in a long long time. A small healing bridge, maybe.
kadaholo
(304 posts)...send another contribution to Bernie! Go California and other states voting tomorrow!
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)mia
(8,360 posts)Good for you and the powers you represent. Bet they're eating it up.
Shame for the people.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)of being nasty and posting rw links and stories o' bull.
Funny how you all expect to be treated with such respect after being so vile for so long.
Hillary supporters are now expected to warmly embrace all the arrogant cusses?
dream on. BoBs reap what they sewed.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Your candidate needs our votes in the fall, not the other way around.
Having your candidate lose is painful, and it's understandable that some of the losing candidate's supporters are going to lash out. But I can't for the life of me understand why supporters of the winning candidate feel the need to rub it in and make things worse.
FWIW, I said the same thing to some fellow Obama supporters in 2008 who were being sore winners.
Also, I'm not a BoB. But some of Hillary's supporters here are making me want to become one.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)"Your candidate is winning. It's your job to rise above"
Nope. Bernies camp could have been cordial and polite during the primaries , instead they chose to be asinine, snarky jerks from May 2015 on. Now that you're candidate has lost miserably you want to call the shots and tell HC supporters how they should be so nice to you because of your loss. Hcs supporters feelings don't count ..is that it?
Too bad so sad...you don't call the shots.. Bernie's supporters have spent weeks doing everything they could to piss off HC supporters and its coming back to bite them in the ass. Sucks to be them.
Maybe try NOT being jerks from the get go when you thought your candidate was a shoe in. Take some responsibility for the blow back for a change. Hell take some responsibility for losing primaries instead of creating ridiculous conspiracy theories while professing to support running a clean campaign.
"Your candidate needs our votes in the fall, not the other way around. "
get this through your thick skulls. HC doesn't need to try and win the votes of people who aren't going to vote for her anyway. You're already outnumbered by sane Sanders supporters who will vote for HC come November . So you can can the veiled threats I'm not worried.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)So sane, in fact, that I have been banned from the Bernie forum because I said he shouldn't take it all the way to the convention.
Nope. Bernies camp could have been cordial and polite during the primaries , instead they chose to be asinine, snarky jerks from May 2015 on. Now that you're candidate has lost miserably you want to call the shots and tell HC supporters how they should be so nice to you because of your loss. Hcs supporters feelings don't count ..is that it?
Many of us have been cordial and polite. Some have not. Same goes for HRC supporters. But if, as you say, it's time to start uniting the party, I say it's your job as supporters of the winning candidate to take the lead.
If you read my other posts, you will see that I have said many times I am planning to support her if she is the nominee. I am not a Bernie or Buster. But people with your attitude make me want to reconsider.
Too bad so sad
Seriously? What is this, second grade? Grow up.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)but perhaps you could have qualified your first comment somewhat - e.g., with "some of" - and you may not have gotten the knee-jerk reactions that you did. Just as you dislike being lumped in with Bernie's most rabid supporters, so do most HRC supporters dislike being lumped in with the fewer less civil HRC supporters or being called a slew of nasty names that don't apply now and never have.
In any case, the voting isn't over yet and I, for one, am still very interested to see how it comes out. Good luck to both candidates in the elections today!
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I was pissed off by the media calling it prematurely and by all the obnoxious gloating here. But you're right, it's not fair to lump all of you together. Some of you have been classy.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)anywhere near the WH ... and that is the bottom line!
And frankly, I too wish that the media had not called anything until after today's primary results were in. It pissed me off a bit too. We have much more in common than not!
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I'm a Sanders supporter and what I came here to post was that I do not feel that this was "orchestrated" by the Clinton campaign, and this actually hurts her more than it helps her, because it creates speculation and innuendo.
But in order to do that, I have to plow through your "BoB's" crap and "Funny how you all expect to be treated with such respect after being so vile for so long."
And one more thing, genius...learn how to spell. It's "sowed."
Off to the ignore list you go.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)had to trash it. So happy for the sane ones who saw the tweet for wha it was
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)riversedge
(70,205 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)up this forum today?? All signs point to... NO.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)concentrating on the real work and not letting herself be distracted by the brouhaha!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)13Dogs
(45 posts)Let's face it, she and her 1% supporters knew she was going to lose badly in CA, another embarrassing defeat which further weakens her in November, and this was a surefire way to try and depress voter turnout of Bernie supporters. Hillary is the only candidate acceptable to the ruling elite in this country because they know she supports more regime change and wars of aggression, which is $$$$ for them and the military industrial establishment. That became apparent when the neocon of neocons, Robert Kragen, endorsed Hillary several weeks ago. That's why she's being shoved down our throats by the 1%, whether we want her or not. Sort of like fracking was. Nobody wanted it except for the oil companies, but we sure as hell ended up with it, along with all the problems attached.
That's why the mainstream media,which is owned entirely by the 1% have consistently tried to denigrate Bernie and downplay his chances. The only enthusiasm she creates is because she's the first female nominee of a major party. It's certainly not her policy positions. Compare a Bernie rally with a Hillary rally. The enthusiasm gap is like the Grand Canyon. Saying she's better than the troglodyte nominated by the other party is faint praise indeed.
The ruling elite get everything they want at this point. They've co-opted that much power with their unlimited financial resources. And that includes limiting our choice of Presidential candidates, to those they deem acceptable. Conversely, the rest of us have gotten none of the things that the vast majority want over the past 30 years such as single payer, good paying jobs, campaign finance reform, the end of for profit prisons, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, clean renewable energy, a carbon tax, protection of the environment, and the list goes on. We are told to choose between someone they can control or a blatant racist. Not much of choice is it? The 1% should understand that people are furious with this situation and won't take it for too much longer. When you make peaceful change impossible, you make violent change inevitable. They better have their panic rooms ready to go when the sh*t hits the fan.
13Dogs
(45 posts)Let's face it, she and her 1% supporters knew she was going to lose badly in CA, another embarrassing defeat which further weakens her in November, and this was a surefire way to try and depress voter turnout of Bernie supporters. Hillary is the only candidate acceptable to the ruling elite in this country because they know she supports more regime change and wars of aggression, which is $$$$ for them and the military industrial establishment. That became apparent when the neocon of neocons, Robert Kragen, endorsed Hillary several weeks ago. That's why she's being shoved down our throats by the 1%, whether we want her or not. Sort of like fracking was. Nobody wanted it except for the oil companies, but we sure as hell ended up with it, along with all the problems attached.
That's why the mainstream media,which is owned entirely by the 1% have consistently tried to denigrate Bernie and downplay his chances. The only enthusiasm she creates is because she's the first female nominee of a major party. It's certainly not her policy positions. Compare a Bernie rally with a Hillary rally. The enthusiasm gap is like the Grand Canyon. Saying she's better than the troglodyte nominated by the other party is faint praise indeed.
The ruling elite get everything they want at this point. They've co-opted that much power with their unlimited financial resources. And that includes limiting our choice of Presidential candidates, to those they deem acceptable. Conversely, the rest of us have gotten none of the things that the vast majority want over the past 30 years such as single payer, good paying jobs, campaign finance reform, the end of for profit prisons, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, clean renewable energy, a carbon tax, protection of the environment, and the list goes on. We are told to choose between someone they can control or a blatant racist. Not much of choice is it? The 1% should understand that people are furious with this situation and won't take it for too much longer. When you make peaceful change impossible, you make violent change inevitable. They better have their panic rooms ready to go when the sh*t hits the fan.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)voter suppressing bullshit
Iggo
(47,552 posts)...is that the Dems want more people to vote and the Reps want fewer people to vote.
So...yeah.