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Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:14 PM

 

USAToday "Clinton deserves credit for making history" USAToday 2 Days Ago "Secretary without honor"

Her breakthrough is often buried or disregarded. There are many reasons for that, some good and some foolish, some her fault and some not. But the fact remains: A major political party is going to have a woman at the top of the national ticket.

Apologists for Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminal mishandling of classified documents say that it doesn’t matter, that she really did nothing wrong, or nothing significant. But the real question is not so much what she did as how she has responded to being found out.

Never mind that at 21, Clinton sounded like Bernie Sanders. “We feel that for too long our leaders have viewed politics as the art of the possible,” said the woman who later ran against Obama and Sanders as the realist in the room.

Back in the 1990s, Clinton was an undisputed pioneer — a transformational or at least transitional figure who ushered in the era of the first lady as feminist, activist and presidential partner. Now, on the brink of a far more profound advance for women, even if some of us can’t summon unalloyed joy, at the very least we owe Clinton recognition and respect. She’s done it. She’s made history.


I saw some heroic acts in combat in Vietnam, things that made me proud to be an American and a Marine. Clinton is the antithesis of that young captain (he left top secret codes out/unencrypted for anyone to look at resulting in the entire military changing their codes as a precaution), someone with no honor, little courage and commitment only to her endless ambition. This has nothing to do with gender, party affiliation, ideology or policy. It is a question of character — not just hers, but ours. Electing Clinton would mean abandoning holding people accountable for grievous errors of integrity and responsibility. What we already know about her security infractions should disqualify her for any government position that deals in information critical to mission success, domestic or foreign. But beyond that, her responses to being found out — dismissing its importance, claiming ignorance, blaming others — indict her beyond anything the investigation can reveal. Those elements reveal her character. And the saddest thing is that so many in America seems not to care.


Exerpts:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/06/07/clinton-deserves-credit-making-history-jill-lawrence/85554642/

Blockquotes:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/06/05/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-consequences-integrity-honesty-column/85205018/

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Reply USAToday "Clinton deserves credit for making history" USAToday 2 Days Ago "Secretary without honor" (Original post)
pantsonfire Jun 2016 OP
thesquanderer Jun 2016 #1
Post removed Jun 2016 #2
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #9
JoePhilly Jun 2016 #13
MohRokTah Jun 2016 #3
pantsonfire Jun 2016 #4
MohRokTah Jun 2016 #5
KingFlorez Jun 2016 #6
pantsonfire Jun 2016 #7
Zynx Jun 2016 #8
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #10
Bill USA Jun 2016 #11
Doctor_J Jun 2016 #12

Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:35 PM

1. Different authors. Newspapers always prevent a variety of viewpoints on their op-ed pages. (n/t)

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Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:13 PM

9. Nobody cares about your damned Morning Joke video.

Quit spamming that trash in every post.

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Response to Lord Magus (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:40 PM

13. Bwahahahaha!!!!!

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:40 PM

3. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

Sour Grape threads CRACK ME UP!!!!!!











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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:53 PM

4. You are a silly rabbit.

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:54 PM

5. AND YOU JUST CAN'T STOP CRACKING ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 











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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:56 PM

6. Stay mad

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:05 PM

7. Why?

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:06 PM

8. Just because they host a column doesn't mean that it's the opinion of the paper.

Damn it, people. Learn something about how the world works.

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:14 PM

10. Is the concept of multiple writers at the same paper that hard for you to grasp?

But you really love that far-right op-ed from 2 days ago it seems.

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Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:34 PM

11. the "without honor" is an example of McCarthyist insinuation bullshit. Conclusions based on

premise with no evidence to support it. author hopes she did something terribly wrong. No evidence she did.

IT's the kind of disinformation somebody with a rabbit's brain would think proved something. It does not.


he says: "But the real question is not so much what she did as how she has responded to being found out."

.."found out"? ... rather obvious, suggests she did something that was wrong, illegal. NOthing of the sort has happened.

The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.

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First, experts say, there’s no legal difference whether Clinton and her aides passed sensitive information using her private server or the official “state.gov” account that many now argue should have been used. Neither system is authorized for transmitting classified information. Second, prosecution of such violations is extremely rare. Lax security procedures are taken seriously, but they’re generally seen as administrative matters.

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:39 PM

12. all of big media is in the bag for Clinton. trump and sanders

 

are too scary to them. trump would try to start wwiii and sanders would try to make deep cuts to the power of the corporations, including the media conglomerates. the media moguls are counting on tpp, ttip, no single payer healthcare, no minimum wage hike, and other right wing results. mrs Clinton will be the media favorite from here on out.

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