Updated: No wonder they are already demanding Bernie withdrawal from the race.

[Skwmom]

Last edited Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:54 AM - Edit history (5)

I wanted to watch the returns and I couldn't take CNN or MSNBC so I tuned into Fox and caught part of Trump's speech.

Prediction: Next week, Ms. Clinton's Cheerleader, Boxer and the rest of the gang will go into meltdown mode.

Update: Flipping through the channels I caught Donald Trump's son on Fox. I am now convinced Trump is not in it to help the Clintons.
Get the popcorn ready.

I'm willing to bet elected Democrats that complained about Bernie not being a real Democrat will probably be changing their tune real quick as they try to use his integrity for cover. Now when I consider how the Democratic Establishment has been outspoken in not embracing Bernie - all I can say is thank God.

[CAG]

1. Keep watching Fox; your conspiracy theories

About Hillary will grow and grow...

[Renew Deal]

1. It's over. Bernie lost

[rock]

52. We refer to him now as

The Non Democratic Nominee in contrast to Hillary who is the Presumptive Democratic Nominee.

[One Black Sheep]

3. CNN is full of Clintonites tonight

maybe one or two exceptions, but most are pro Hill.

[AllTooEasy]

32. Why wouldn't they be mostly Clintonites at this point?

[upaloopa]

4. Just not possible

[hrmjustin]

5. Huh?

[Dem2]

6. None of your predictions has come to pass

Also, I'm not even sure what you're talking about.

[Trust Buster]

7. I don't understand the point you are trying to convey.

[mylye2222]

8. Its clear they dont want a convention

They want a worldwide broadcasted coronation.
Unfortunely it wont happen.
Bernie already stated he' s in until the convention.

[Renew Deal]

12. What is our goal?

Is it to win the presidency or air internal squabbles? The campaign happened. The voters spoke. They chose Hillary.

That's without the disgrace of Bernie standing in the way of the first female nominee in American history.

[mylye2222]

14. We have the same goal.

But the victory goal should not turn into a blinded support.
Im well aware of the need to stop the Mad Man but also am I aware of the recent past and the mistakes of this campaign

[Renew Deal]

17. It's blind support time

There is an enemy and it's not each other

[davidn3600]

22. I have never and will never support someone blindly

My vote doesn't go to waste. It goes to the person who deserves it.

[arendt]

38. I will hold my nose and vote; but it will be with eyes wide open

The drumbeat to worship HRC is sickening. It is just the continuation of the "you will submit" campaign that has been running for over a year. If HRC supporters on this board cannot stop demanding loyalty oaths, they will make a lot of people question their loyalty to the "big tent" party.

I do not worship or blindly accept anything.

[MFM008]

53. I don't know why you

Write that. I haven't asked anyone to support HRC.
You will vote or not.
We were devestated when the Seattle Seahawks lost to New England. Sure it's football but emotions are the same. It took weeks to end the depression, name calling. Anger. I get it. I do. .......

[Whimsey]

78. Well I was at Wrigley field all summer 1969

as a middle schooler living the dream. This year, as a 60 year old female attorney married to another attorney in his small southern town I'm looking for two dreams to come true! Hillary and the Cubs! And Hillary is way more important! (I hate to admit that).

But so much of this seems to be guy chatter.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. Well take it from this old Chicagoan

don't hold your breath on those Cubbies.

[grasswire]

70. we won't be able to converse thus in a few more days.

But I will say now that we cannot be shamed into bailing Hillary out. She is responsible for garnering enough votes, and cannot expect independents or progressives to make up the votes she lacks.

And a tirade from her surrogates will only make things worse for her.

[grasswire]

73. It is Hillary's responsibility to find enough votes to stop Trump.

She cannot expect Bernie's progressives and independents to bail her out.

[asuhornets]

87. She's a Democrat..Sanders a Democrat..Democrats are suppose to vote for other Democrats.

[DJ13]

67. That's without the disgrace of Bernie standing in the way of the first female nominee

Theres no disgrace in fighting for what he believes in.

The nomination wasnt made just for Hillary.

[grasswire]

72. bogus assertion

totally bogus spin and frame.

Shame on you.

[Lord Magus]

33. I find it rather offensive when the choice of over 16 million voters is called a corontation.

The usual term for that is "election."

[notadmblnd]

55. That's kinda funny coming from someone who has dubbed themself "Lord"

[Demsrule86]

39. Have you ever watched a convention?

It is always a coronation for the nominee who won. We don't need messy or bullshit...that is how a party loses...and Sanders needs to concede and endorse.

[k8conant]

63. That's just the pseudo-modern way of having a convention...

we used to choose the nominee at the convention (remember 1968???)

[grasswire]

74. yeah! and it was way more fun!

Listening on the radio, way into the night...

[Demsrule86]

79. 1968 was a disaster

We lost and Nixon won. But that was only the second convention after primaries began to matter and It was held in Chicago where the Boss ran the show (Mayor Dailey). It was a disaster for Dems and nothing to be celebrated. The modern way is much better. The people vote.

[politicaljunkie41910]

50. Bernie apparently has said a lot of things that weren't true based on the

Politico article. Like the fact that his team has known for some time now that they couldn't win the nomination and Bernie was saying as recently as late Monday night, the eve of the California Primary, that he believed that they had a very good chance of winning all 6 primaries on Tuesday.

He has continued taking campaign donations based on a premise that he had a chance of winning when inside the campaign they knew better. I guess we know now that Bernie the Purist isn't quite so honest and trustworthy either. He's just like any other politician who's tasted the drunkenness of success and will say and do anything to separate a constituent or a supporter from their dollar in order to win because money is the life blood of a political candidate This is true of all politicians. Bernie included. So now that we know that Bernie is no different from most other political candidates, it is the time to take him off that pedestal he's been perched up on for the past year.

[grasswire]

75. I don't think that's up to you.

That's between him and his donors and supporters. Many of whom are still donating even now, because this effort doesn't end now, or with the convention.

He sits atop a huge coalition that he has forged, of independents and progressives. He changed the face of American elections by proving that there was no need for begging big money from corporations and lobbyists and billionaires, that it was indeed possible to run a grassroots campaign OF THE PEOPLE.

He is in the catbird seat. HRC desperately needs his influence. He may, or may not, lend it to her.

Really crummy that HRC supporters are demanding that he bail her out now that she seeks voters.

[LuvLoogie]

84. Senator Sanders nee Warren didn't forge anything.

He rides the coattails of discontent and calls it Progressivism. He's the nominee of the Twitter Arena. Democrats in his coalition will vote for Hillary.

He carries on while the Democratic coalition moves on.

[politicaljunkie41910]

91. I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are. As far as your statement about

his "...proving that there was no need begging big money from corporations and lobbyists and billionaires..." and "that it was indeed possible to run a grassroots campaign OF THE PEOPLE"... you don't know that for certain. That chapter has yet to be written. All the estimates I've seen, predict that this election will require spending in the range of $1 Billion. Bernie has not raised or spent anywhere near a Billion dollars. He also has not had any negative campaign ads directed at him on a national level.

What we do know though, is that through his naivete and inexperience on running a national primary campaign, he neglected to negotiate any media deals up front to include with his own campaign managers and ended up paying much more than he should have paid had he negotiated better deals (which most candidates do) based on the volume of media he was purchasing. Of course the reason he paid more than he should have is because his campaign managers were the ones who were making those deals with the media and also were taking a percentage of those deals for themselves, and they weren't about to tell him how the more savvy folks do it because that would have cut into their pockets.

Look, none of us are happy with the SCOTUS Citizens United decision that allows billionaires to spend unlimited funds on political campaigns. But if you're going to jump into the arena, you've got to know how the game is played and anticipate being able to play in the same arena. Unfortunately playing the game costs lots of money, and you can't compete on a shoestring budget. If you're not prepared to raise what it costs to compete and go the distance, you're just wasting your time and your contributors money. I want my candidate to have a gameplan that is based on realistic expectations and on being able to make it to the finish line without having to keep coming back or running out of gas as he/she approaches the finish line.

[liberal from boston]

94. Senator Sanders

Thank You grasswire.


Sanders Candidacy Has Evolved Into an Inspiring World-Changing Success

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/-sanders-candidacy-has-ev_b_10215786.html

[Beacool]

57. It's called WINNING!!!!

Not a coronation. She won, and by large margins, in every metric: pledged delegates and the popular vote.

[tandot]

9. So your alternative to CNN and MSNBC is Fox???

Wow ... very telling

[MariaThinks]

31. the secret is out

[MohRokTah]

10. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[BootinUp]

64. +1 LOL

[seabeyond]

11. Wow, on Clintons big night you found someone to hate on her with you. Coolest. Fox huh? Lol

[PepperHarlan]

20. Consumed by hatred for Hillary. Sad.

[still_one]

13. You don't have to watch the talking heads. Just look online. The NY Times, even CNN online. You

won't hear the talking heads. I can't stand their commentaries

Here is a CNN link which provides a map. Keep in mind that 32% of vote may mean a lot of vote by mail, and there are still a lot of votes to come in. The map may be misleading, because votes are still coming into the areas they say are leading Hillary or Bernie. Until it reaches at least 50%, and more like 70%, I wouldn't assume anything in California yet

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ca/Dem

[GulfCoast66]

15. Got sick of Clinton talk...

And switched to Trump, huh?

[LexVegas]

16. You are really bad at making predictions. nt

[apnu]

18. Meltdown over what?

Trump is burning his campaign down to the ground right now. Calling his staff idiots? Trump U out in the open? Bribes to State AGs? All the charitable organization fraud? Blaming his legal woes on Mexican judges, Muslim Judges and woman judges?

Why would Boxer have a melt down next week?

[radical noodle]

23. I believe the OP is referring to

Trump saying he would give a big speech next week with a "tell-all" about the Clintons, and we're supposed to believe that will just turn Hillary's supporters to jelly. I'm sure they are ready for whatever lies or half truths he wishes to tell.

[Skwmom]

25. Then you have missed the expressions on their faces when issues come up they don't want to discuss.

[radical noodle]

36. What people want to discuss is a different issue

They will be prepared. I imagine we all have things we don't want to discuss but if it becomes necessary we can still do it.

[Demsrule86]

40. Tell all been told for 30 years or more. nt

[MFM008]

19. oh my

[Walk away]

21. Maybe you should stay with FOX it could be your last resort after tonight!

[Tarc]

24. Translation

"I couldn't handle the reality CNN or MSNBC was giving me, so I decided to humor myself and see what Trump and his racism-enabling Fox had to say. I think that next week, since my favorite candidate didn't win, my CDS is going to go into overdrive."

[boston bean]

26. You liked his teleprompting performance? I saw it on CNN.

He sounded like a goomba.

[msanthrope]

46. Sorry, but my entire family of goombas is embarrassed by

that yam with hair.

[boston bean]

47. Sorry... didn't mean to insult any of your family!

Everytime I see trump walking off stage with his gang (I mean campaign team) I feel like I just watched a snippet of the Soprano's. LOL

[hertopos]

27. wow, you rely on Fox?

This is so un DU

Hertopos

[grossproffit]

29. In other words.

[MariaThinks]

30. how does a progressive turn to fox to relax?

[840high]

34. What a pretty transparency you have.

[Demsrule86]

41. Alert stalking will do that. nt

[840high]

43. Perhaps you missed the ugly messages there.

[Demsrule86]

80. I have seen way more Hill posts being hidden than Bernie posts...until very recently

But some people were tossed out of here thanks to some of the stalking incidents...great posters who had been here quite a while..nothing to be proud of. Everyone starts with a clean slate...great idea.

[workinclasszero]

56. Damn good question

[gollygee]

35. What

I'm stuck on you not being able to take CNN or MSNBC, but being fine with FOX.

And then I'm not sure what you think the reason is. It isn't clear from your post.

[boston bean]

48. It's pure comedy gold is what it is! LOL

[Corporate666]

37. If Bernie can't win, then...

A posit:

If Bernie Sanders cannot win the nomination, then staying in the race divides the Democratic party.


Would anyone disagree with the above?

Would anyone say Bernie can still win? I say it is more than unreasonable to think he can win.

So he is actively harming HRC at this point. And it's even worse than that because the longer he stays in, the more hardened and stubborn his supporters become and the less likely they are to ever support HRC.


Conclusion: People are demanding he withdraw from the race because he has NOTHING to gain, HRC has NOTHING to gain. All he is doing is hurting her chances to win. And for what purpose??? What else can it be but ego?

[davidn3600]

42. Many Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary regardless if he stays in or not

So it doesn't really matter. Hillary is almost as disliked as Trump.

The youth is going to sit this one out.

[840high]

44. Correct.

[Corporate666]

69. But many is not all

and the fact remains, Bernie has no possibility of winning, and staying in hurts Hillary.

So even if the majority of his supporters won't vote for HRC anyway, that still means he is hurting her and it still means he has nothing to gain.

So why is he staying in???

[morningfog]

45. I disagree with your "posit."

Bernie staying in through DC and even after would have no bearing on the GE five months from now between Hillary and trump.

[Corporate666]

71. Do you really think that?

You honestly believe there are no Bernie supporters who would vote for HRC if he dropped out and conceded and endorsed her? None?

And you don't think that continuing his campaign is embittering his supporters? It's one thing to lose, it's another to keep losing and losing and losing and coming up with ever more circuitous logic for why the losses happened that absolve him from blame or public rejection.

At some point, his supporters will be so radicalized that they will become a genuine threat to both parties. And I don't mean threat in the "carry a lot of political sway", I mean in the physical danger way.

Bernie bears the responsibility for what happens from the point he was no longer viable onwards. He is choosing to brew bitterness. Nobody is forcing him.

[morningfog]

76. Yes. Bernie continuing his campaign is not negatively

affecting Hillary's GE prospects. Absolutely not.

You move targets with the next question, whether Bernie supporters would vote for Clinton if he dropped out and endorsed her. He will drop out at some point and will endorse her, the question is moot or premature at best.

Then you go off the deep end about radicalized supporters causing physical harm because Bernie continues his run. That's patently absurd.

[Corporate666]

81. Your first sentence is absurd

The evidence is right here on this site - look at the division and anger that's developed. Every loss Bernie suffers makes his supporters suffer, and that leads to anger and frustration. I don't just mean primary losses, I mean every negative thing Bernie complains about. That includes complaining about the news media, and about Nevada, and about statements from the press and other politicians. The longer he stays in, the more losses he accumulates and the more anger and resentment and bitterness develops among his followers.

Unless your claim is that his supporters haven't gotten more entrenched with time or that he hasn't suffered losses, then what you're saying is just silliness.

As for voting HRC, it's not moving target at all. It's relevant to the question of whether he is hurting HRC. You acknowledge he is keeping votes from HRC, and clearly not all of those votes will go back to her, so it's irrefutably harming her by staying in.

And it would be nice if Bernie's radicalized supporters was an "off the deep end" suggestion, but there's already a plan (backed up with a permit, IIRC) to disrupt the convention, and we've seen his supporters in action in Nevada and sometimes at Trump rallies. That's not good for HRC or for the country.

[morningfog]

85. There is no evidence on this site or anywhere that

because Bernie has remained in the race past some arbitrary (and unstated by you even) date, that people who would have voted for Hillary in the fall no longer will.

That is your claim. Your claim is that Bernie remaining is the race hurts Hillary's chances in the fall. There is nothing to it. No one is saying "I would have votesd for Hillary in the GE if only Bernie had dropped out on April 27."

Some of his supporters have gotten "more entrenched" with respect to the primary. And some of his supporters would never have voted for Hillary in the GE regardless. You can't connect the dots in your under developed claim.

He is not "keeping votes from her" in the GE by staying in the primary. The GE is 5 months away and the primary will conclude long before it. Maybe you are conflating the two.

[randome]

49. Let's cut to the chase: when was the last time you were right about anything on this site?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[RandySF]

51. There's a seat for you next to Pat Caddell and Joe Lieberman

[grasswire]

54. I don't quite get the drift of what you are saying.

Meltdown how?

[Beacool]

60. Trump announced that he's giving a speech on Monday trashing the Clintons.

He's been meeting with several anti-Clinton gossip mongers like Ed Klein, for example. This poster is suggesting that the Clintons and their supporters are going to go into "meltdown mode" after Trump's speech. A tacky and nasty post that diminishes this site.

[grasswire]

68. sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

I'm afraid we are in for a helluva summer.

[GulfCoast66]

58. You found Fox and Trump more comfortable than CNN and MSMBC?

Looks like you found your natural home.

[Beacool]

59. Grow some class!!!

When you're counting on Trump's speech to besmirch the Clintons as a positive thing, then you should realize that there's something wrong with your thought processes.

[riversedge]

61. Why are knocking down Democrats?? Shame on you.

[okasha]

62. The Sanders bitter-enders remind me of the poor Japanese soldiers

who hung on for decades in the South Pacific because they never realized their war was over.

The primary is over. There is a clear majority of votes and delegates for one candidate. Nothing Donald Trump says will change that.

Rest assured that a tell-all about Donald Trump would be far, far worse than anything he could say about any Clinton, beginning with his cozy relationship with Vladimir Putin via mutual connections with the Russian Mafia.

[BootinUp]

65. You're amazing. nt

[grasswire]

66. yes, the demands to get Bernie out are ever more fierce.

There is no reason for him to capitulate to those demands.

He is our insurance policy for the GE. Nary a scandal, nary a flip flop. Just a genuine, honest man with sky high "honest and trustworthy" ratings and a following of millions of progressives and independents.

He's actually in the cat bird seat. HRC can't win without his influence, but he has no reason to comply. None.

Don't give in to fear of the ogre. It's up to HRC to come up with the voters necessary to beat him. Not up to Bernie to bail her out now.

[Warren DeMontague]

82. "already"? The voting is pretty much over.

I can understand waiting until the last primaries finish, but it's time. He didn't win.

[onenote]

86. The fact that you're showing love for Trump is quite, shall we say, interesting.

And have you ever made a prediction that was correct?

[Lil Missy]

88. Already?? In the REAL world, Bernie lost long ago and should have dropped out weeks ago.

[NCTraveler]

89. So you were watching Trump on Fox.

Then you come in with an update just to make sure we know you are still watching Fox and Trumps son is up.

One of the best updates/edits ever.

[Orsino]

90. Not clear on what you're saying. n/t

[NurseJackie]

92. Thanks! That post was very informative ...

... it tells me a lot.

[MyNameGoesHere]

93. Conspiracy, Fox news, tRump,

Libertarians, and Sanders supporters are starting to show up a lot in the same sentences. That is not how I would want to be associated.

[oasis]

95. If Trump gets his anti-Hillary material from DU posts, I'd

save my popcorn.

[obamanut2012]

96. CNN and MSNBC were too much for you, but Fox was just right?

lolz you guys!