BERNIE IS NOT CONCEDING YET!

He said it before that he was in it all the way.

I trust Bernie. Bernie is not a quitter. If he was he would have never gotten this far.

and I just don't see what all the crowing has been about.

First of all, I think Hillary jumped to a big lead in California because they counted the mail in votes, which many of her supporters do. Over the last hour as I tediously watched, her percentage has very slowly been dropping and Sanders has very slowly been inching up. When last I looked, she was at 59.7 and he was at 39.3 with 36 percent of the vote counted. I don't know what percentage of the overall vote the mail-in constitutes, but at this point, I don't know how anyone knows how California ends up. Now this from looking at the Guardian website.

She did do well in NJ as expected, winning by 26.6 points when I last looked, and that was with 99.1 percent of the vote in. That is about what was projected.

She won New Mexico by 3 points. That was one that could have gone either way. They both hoped to take it, she did but only by 3. Won't make a big difference.

Montana Bernie won as was expected. When last I looked with 77.4 percent of the vote he won by about 5.4; don't know what the final numbers will be but that is respectable and it has been called for him.

Bernie hoped to win both the Dakotas -- he lost SD by 2 points but won ND by 38.6 points. The Dakotas gave him a good night!

So we just have to have wait for California to finish and we do have the comfort of knowing the election is being monitored by the Election Integrity group since there are no exit polls. So I think it too early to tell if that early AP maneuver hurt him or not.

But I am proud of Bernie Sanders performance, and I am proud to be his supporter. Nice going, Senator Sanders.

Sam

I had to work so late tonight I felt like I missed results. Have been only seeing Yeah Hillary Posts. This one is a nice welcome relief.

I think Bernie and all of us did a great job and we should all be proud of our work and donations and support.

and many people think it was because voters in California thought Hillary had already won. I do believe that had an impact. But I don't think we have heard the last of Bernie Sanders and I do know there are a couple of things coming down the pike that will be very interesting. Keep the faith, Silver_Witch.

I am very proud of what Bernie has accomplished without taking corporate money. He is a hero.

Sam

The board on MSNBC showed Hillary's pledged delegate count at 2060 or 2070, still 300 pledged delegates short of 2383.

What was great to watch was the disappointment of the MSNBC anchors, who were waiting for Bernine to concede; and they got to hear the crowd boo both HRC and the media.

...he'd be going back to VT after today to decide next steps. Whatever he decides, the outcomes of today's primaries need to be weighed in. People should listen and believe what the man says. A concession tonight was never in the cards.

Wait and see what the man actually decides, and then applaud, or complain, or whatever.

All the angst about what he should or shouldn't do (or should or shouldn't have done) is tiresome.

It mystifies me that they would expect him to concede. He's been crystal clear about his intention to make no decisions for at least a few days after CA, NJ, etc.

Right now I'm having fun watching the numbers change as I periodically refresh this page:
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/president/party/democratic/

He will concede. He has no choice. There is nothing he can do at the convention other than make a fool out of himself. She has the pledged delegates and the supers.

I would say Bernie's done great in California!

I don't think he's going to concede yet. I could be wrong, but it would not make sense to me not to go for the convention.

CALIFORNIA and DAKOTAS

When someone wins won of those, it's not usually called a "coronation"...

He needs to accept that.

Does he have enough delegates to take the nomination? No, he doesn't. Does he have momentum after Tuesday's bruising primary? No, he doesn't. He lost four out of six primaries. One of those he won...the caucus had less than 200 votes-hahaha. What shall he say to the supers I wonder ? Hey I lost California by about 14 points...but I am the stronger candidate ...see I have cherry picked polls to show you? The supers won't take his phone call; it is nicer than laughing in his face.

Not only did he LOSE the primary, he lost poorly.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/democratic-platform-fight/index.html

This is about process reforms and platform planks.

No, he hasn't conceded yet, but he has stopped running against Clinton.

It's over.

Time to let go, for people on both sides.

in his mind he is walking down Pennsylvania in January 2017 waving to the crowds. He has replaced reality with his own version. I question what the real reason is. Although having had grandparents I think I know the answer already.

The primary voters have spoken. He can concede or not concede, but Clinton will still be the nominee. Stubbornness in the face of certain defeat is not necessarily a virtue. Sometimes recognition and acceptance are far more powerful in attaining goals.

Principle over party... forcing the DEM party back to it's roots

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/democratic-platform-fight/index.html

The longer he refuses to actively support the Democratic nominee, the less power he actually has. At some point, he will simply be ignored in this election. I think he is overestimating his power to influence. He still has many fans, but they're not influential fans, I'm afraid.

From a minority position in convention committees, he will need additional support to get what he wants. Too much obstruction or too many unachievable goals and his positions will simply be shrugged off. His experience in actual party politics is very limited.

this HRC supporter's point disagrees with you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2159856

I get that you may also not recognize the reality of energized people scare establishment folks, on both sides, in each party

That article isn't 'ignoring' nor 'overestimating' his power to influence

"Sanders has been pulling Clinton to the left throughout the campaign, on everything from trade to the environment. The crafting of the platform offers a rare chance to enshrine many of those changes and Sanders and his supporters are ready for battle.
Sanders won a key concession from the Democratic National Committee last month securing five seats on the 15-member panel writing the platform (Clinton won six seats and DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz picked four members.)
One of the first steps will come Wednesday and Thursday when the DNC's platform-drafting committee meets in Washington to hear testimony on possible changes."


This bit 'he will need additional support to get what he wants.' is where you continue to be dismissive of the large contingent of energized supporters, those that came in huge droves to Bernie's rallies... the ones HRC supporters here were dismissive of...

Wanna bet that DEM establishment are concerned about those folks?

Proof is in the linked HRC supporters post, the facts of that 'concern' are real, the real battle is about to begin

and lack of support for the Democratic party, I don't think Bernie will get a cabinet position.

DC is it. And it's a foregone conclusion.

campaign to run. The next stop is the Democratic Nominating Convention, and campaigning has no effect on that.

Bernie's race is over for this election year. He has lost in the primaries. There's nothing for him to campaign for any longer. What would his campaign staff do? He needs to conserve whatever funds he has left. He will have to repay some of the campaign "expenses" that are disallowed by the FEC. His costly trip to Rome will be one of those.

He can no longer pay his campaign staff. The campaign is over.

other establishment hack.

The longer Bernie fights the harder it is going to be for them to hand it to another CorptoCrat.

And if for some strange reason she wasn't, like if she suddenly and unexpectedly developed health problems, Bernie still wouldn't be the nominee, whether he drops out of the race or not.

But Hillary does not have health problems and she is not going to be knocked out of the race by an FBI report. She will face Donald Trump in the Fall and become the President in January 2017.

Everyone, including Sanders, knows he lost.

Sanders not conceding after getting handily beat by the first female nominee of a major party is on him.

Every American with any bit of sense understands he lost. Really wasn't close.

Sid

another site where one can go and discuss Bernie without the censorship? And it will get to be strong censorship in a week or so. I'd like to know of other places where they allow open discussions.
I hope that isn't violating some rule to ask, if so, let me know and I'll remove this.
Thanks

we are finding how much representation we actually have at this time.

into a position of influence in order to effect some of the changes he would like to make. Instead he is proving once again that he can't work with anyone and can't work within the confines of reality to get things done.