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Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:01 PM Jun 2016

What must Hillary Clinton do to earn your vote?

Rather than participate in yet another defensive election cycle to keep someone (and his millions of voters, however unhinged or ill-informed) out of power, I will listen carefully to WHY I ought to support and vote for the Democratic nominee for President.

First, a comprehensive and draconian plan to stem global fossil fuel use would get my attention. Also, different language about universal health care that lines up with what most people actually want, rather than what the bought players tell us is possible. Maybe a mea culpa about her time as Secretary of State with a pledge to lead the world toward peace and connection rather than war and empire.

What about you? Assuming you're not a Hillary fan of long standing, what is your vote worth, other than what the media say it is?

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What must Hillary Clinton do to earn your vote? (Original Post) Ron Green Jun 2016 OP
Thump the living shit out of Trump NightWatcher Jun 2016 #1
That's all your vote is about? Ron Green Jun 2016 #3
I wasn't a fan but now her main job is to insure that we don't elect a repuke. NightWatcher Jun 2016 #7
+1000. I confidently expect far more, but Hortensis Jun 2016 #35
I like her platform metroins Jun 2016 #52
very important for me agnostic102 Jun 2016 #2
That is not going to happen notadmblnd Jun 2016 #12
I don't think there's anything she can do demwing Jun 2016 #4
AGREED! HILLARY SHOULD WITHDRAW IN THE FACE OF PENDING "LEGAL ISSUES!" CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #62
She made the conscious decision to burn the bridge. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #5
Be a different person with a different history. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #6
Turn Honduras BACK into a democracy! John Poet Jun 2016 #8
Completely change her policies to Bernie's Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #9
Kick the Republicans ass up and down the ticket. bemildred Jun 2016 #10
That would be fantastic. But, Hortensis Jun 2016 #36
SCOTUS is certainly important. bemildred Jun 2016 #38
Nope. I can't think of thing she could do to get my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #11
in this order. Exilednight Jun 2016 #13
Well, B and H voted the same 93% of the time, so I guess she could try BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #14
Release the Goldman Sachs speeches - would be a nice start. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #15
Another vote here for the environment and health care, plus some real plan to counter Citizens JudyM Jun 2016 #16
The TPP vote will most likely come up in the lame duck session. floppyboo Jun 2016 #17
Come out unambiguously for some progressive change... Orsino Jun 2016 #18
Abdicate in favor of Bernie and disappear from public life. NV Whino Jun 2016 #19
+1000!!! baran Jun 2016 #21
Marijuana legalization would be a positive start! B Calm Jun 2016 #20
Leave the planet. bigwillq Jun 2016 #22
Not be a person who could seriously claim to be "broke" when, in fact, Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2016 #23
Quit laserhaas Jun 2016 #24
Breathe anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #25
Agreed. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #41
She needs to take a different stance on Goldman Sachs and the rest. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #26
Yes, and thanks for the answer. Ron Green Jun 2016 #30
One of the main problems I've always had with Clinton: Ms. Toad Jun 2016 #58
I think I will be very quiet Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #63
I wrestle with it. Ms. Toad Jun 2016 #66
As a USAF Veteran, I don't think that she can ever 'earn' my vote. SeattleVet Jun 2016 #27
Write me a big check? ymetca Jun 2016 #28
Single payer. Bring home the troops. Abolish the 1% written trade policies. Stop the drug war. kpola12 Jun 2016 #29
Promise not to start new wars. CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #31
Admit to her lies, support single payer, bring the troops home. peace13 Jun 2016 #32
cant trust a snake larkrake Jun 2016 #33
She hasn't earned my vote. Glassunion Jun 2016 #34
not a damn thing. she chose scorched earth. its too late.nt restorefreedom Jun 2016 #37
Run for something else....? Sivart Jun 2016 #39
I'm casting my vote for her to keep Trump away. Thats all. She is uninspiring and lacks vision. phleshdef Jun 2016 #40
Clinton? Probably nothing, nd that's on me because I don't trust her HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #42
I want her to side with the majority of Americans who favor marijuana legalization Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #43
Dissolve the Foundation Paulie Jun 2016 #44
Absolutely, my dear Paulie! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #69
Pick Bernie for VP, then resign n/t JesterCS Jun 2016 #45
I like RobertEarl Jun 2016 #48
She can't. Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #46
Become honest as to who owns her. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #47
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #49
Yahne Ndgo: "We don't trust what she says and we don't like what she has done." aikoaiko Jun 2016 #50
Nothing really could do that Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #51
I will vote for her to defeat train wreck trump. dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #53
My vote does not matter Lithos Jun 2016 #54
Chances are she will now move further to the center davidn3600 Jun 2016 #55
Donating all her Wall St. speech money to victims of the Iraq war would help. icecreamfan Jun 2016 #56
Reincarnate ever person killed in Iraq since 2003. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #57
They won't MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #59
Hillary can't ~do~ anything between now and the election but talk Fumesucker Jun 2016 #60
^^^ Exactly, and we know talk is cheap, any actions in the next few months are meaningless. nt slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #64
She could promise the sun would set, and I'd have to ask for proof. demwing Jun 2016 #68
She's got my vote but... hollowdweller Jun 2016 #61
I will likely vote for Hillary Clinton but it will because Clinton is the Democratic candidate and PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #65
Do you really want a policy list? We are going to be here all night nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #67

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. I wasn't a fan but now her main job is to insure that we don't elect a repuke.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jun 2016

As long as she does that I'll vote for her.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. +1000. I confidently expect far more, but
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

if that's all she could manage I'd vote for just that reason too.

agnostic102

(198 posts)
2. very important for me
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jun 2016

she has top stop voting for, directing policy or otherwise supporting wars in the middle east. if she promises that she will not support the sunni al quida type rebels in syria and tries to get us involved in yemen and such. I will fully support her.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
4. I don't think there's anything she can do
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

She could promise to adopt Bernie's platform in whole, but how can anyone ever trust her?

How can you trust a serial liar to keep a promise?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
62. AGREED! HILLARY SHOULD WITHDRAW IN THE FACE OF PENDING "LEGAL ISSUES!"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jun 2016

AGAIN, THE "TRUST" ISSUE REIGNS SUPREME!

AND WHY NOT?

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. She made the conscious decision to burn the bridge.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

Perhaps she should have thought about unity a while ago.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
8. Turn Honduras BACK into a democracy!
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jun 2016

Yeah, kinda tough to make that happen, after she helped the right-wing military coup to establish itself.

Much of the damage Hillary has done in the world,
she cannot undo.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Kick the Republicans ass up and down the ticket.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

Redistricting happens in the next adminstration, I want a Democratic Congress even more than I care about who gets to be President.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
38. SCOTUS is certainly important.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

IMHO, nothing is more important than Congress. If one wants real reform, that is where it is done.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. Nope. I can't think of thing she could do to get my vote.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016
"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn't be wise." Mark Twain

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
13. in this order.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jun 2016

1. Replace DWS with a fair and more neutral figure within the party.

2. A real plan to fix man made climate change.

3. Money out of politics.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
14. Well, B and H voted the same 93% of the time, so I guess she could try
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jun 2016

changing by 7%. That should do it! If that isn't it, I don't know what else--maybe grow a penis?

JudyM

(29,235 posts)
16. Another vote here for the environment and health care, plus some real plan to counter Citizens
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

United and outsized political/policy influence by lobbyists/corporations ... The latter impacts all important policies and true progress and I doubt that she is in a position or of the belief to move on this at all. Her history of completely ignoring even the most basic conflict of interest principles we learn as law students gives me no hope on this, and is the main reason I support Bernie.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
17. The TPP vote will most likely come up in the lame duck session.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

It's time to get ALL of Hillary's SD's on record - NOW - before the general - that they will vote against it, if an elected official, or will lobby against it if they represent pharmaceuticals/gmos/fossil fuels/etc

I think that would take her a long way towards convincing the progressive core of the Democratic party and independents that she was serious, and that her SD support her and not the other way around.

Let's see some interviews with these folks NOW on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, Washington Post, New York Times.

Time is ticking!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. Come out unambiguously for some progressive change...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

...rebuking the drivers of inequality and the merchants of war.

It's a tall order. She can have my vote simply by continuing to Not Be Trump, but if she's willing to stick up for big change, she will earn my enthusiastic support.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
23. Not be a person who could seriously claim to be "broke" when, in fact,
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jun 2016

quite wealthy. This really sums it up for me. It reflects the fact that she is all too isolated in a world of money and privilege.

By the way, draconian means excessively harsh and severe. I never support excessive, as excessive is by definition bad. I want the necessary ande ffective amount of something, not too much of it.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
26. She needs to take a different stance on Goldman Sachs and the rest.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

That's for starters.

The other big sticking point for me is that we need to reduce, and ultimately eliminate, Middle Eastern involvement.

I know how that goes...gradually remove troops, "maintain a presence," whatever.

But we really don't need any new wars unless we are under a direct threat.

Those are the two big issues.

I may be 100% off base on both.

So as long as the Wall Street / War Hawk thing isn't a reality, my two biggest issues go away.

Perception may not be reality. Maybe she has no intention of going to extremes on either.

But you asked, and I gave you an honest answer.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
30. Yes, and thanks for the answer.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016

I can see that the responses fall into three camps: 1) She should abdicate, or disappear (these must be the hard-core "Bernie or bust" people); 2) She's GONNA BEAT TRUMP, and that's all we need (the Hillary fans); and 3) Serious policy thoughts such as yours. Would that your camp will grow.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
58. One of the main problems I've always had with Clinton:
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

It is all political strategy for her. Her policies and reality are whatever she perceives they need to be in order to get elected (or acquire the next political job). She has neither the time, nor the circumstances, to be able to effect a policy change that could bring me into the support camp between now and November. (Every moment between now and then she is running for office - so there is no period in which to test whether any announced policy change is true policy change v. political expedience.)

Essentially you are asking a "when did you stop beating your mother" question - your premise that it is possible to win me over by a policy change is faulty. It isn't her policies that trouble me most. It is that even if she crafted the perfect policy, my experience of watching her behavior over the years tells me that the perfect policy would change tomorrow if polls told her that sticking with the perfect policy might threaten her electability.

In November, I will ultimately vote against Trump. The only question remaining is whether I can craft any spiel I can say with a straight face that is framed as support rather than opposition (my integrity is not for sale - so I won't say something I don't believe). If I can't, I may lend my support during the voting period to ensure voting is fair (I worked two counties in advance of election day on behalf of the Democratic Party during the last election, and in the "War Room" for the more critical of those two counties on Election day).

At this point, I can't envision doing much more.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
66. I wrestle with it.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jun 2016

Trump scares me to death - and, unlike many, I am not underestimating him - or the American public who handed him the GOP nomination when everyone thought he was just a joke candidate.

That suggests I should be actively working to keep him from being elected - because I think there is a significant risk that he will be elected without all hands on deck. On the other hand, I cannot, in good conscience, work FOR Clinton. The chances that anything she could do or say would allow me to live with my conscience and campaign FOR her are slim to none, given that her foreign policy actions are the antithesis of all I've believed in and worked for, for about 5 decades, and I don't trust her political judgment policy policy integrity.

But merely campaigning against someone doesn't really sit well with me. So I'll continue to wrestle with whether there is any way I can reframe it and lend a hand.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
27. As a USAF Veteran, I don't think that she can ever 'earn' my vote.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jun 2016

This coming November (if she is, indeed, the Democratic candidate at that time) she will *get* my vote, grudgingly and under protest, but she will not have 'earned' it (other than by being the candidate of this party).

I have voted for exactly ONE GOP candidate for any office since I started voting in 1972, when 18-year-olds got the right to vote. That candidate was an incumbent, had been doing a very good job for a few terms, and had no serious Democratic competition. If I remember correctly, some total whackjob had filed as (D) against him, and got something like 15-20% of the vote in an extremely blue district.

My first ballot was absentee, mailed in from Lowry AFB in Colorado while I was stationed there for a 9-month tech school. I was happy and proud that I was able to vote against Nixon (for all the good it did).

Bernie Sanders has supported veterans for his entire career. He has consistently 'had my back'. If he were the candidate, he actually has done many things that have *earned* my vote. Hillary, not so much...

In the end, HRC will get my vote, but I can never honestly say that she had 'earned' it.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
32. Admit to her lies, support single payer, bring the troops home.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jun 2016

Explain how and why she did not follow Obama's dierection while SOS, detail her thinking on a private server, release the deleted emails, explain how she will keep Bill from causing problems while she is presidenting. Apologize to Bernie Sander's for manipulating the election.

Thanks, for asking.

 

Sivart

(325 posts)
39. Run for something else....?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

I'd maybe vote for her to be the grand marshal at my local christmas parade, but that's about it, and it would depend who else was running.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
40. I'm casting my vote for her to keep Trump away. Thats all. She is uninspiring and lacks vision.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

I like her fine as a person. But she will make a lack luster President and there will probably be a million scandals.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
42. Clinton? Probably nothing, nd that's on me because I don't trust her
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

But, the party as a whole could ACT at the convention to make me feel like I have something to gain by being in a coalition with a caucus whose economic/trade, international/militaristic, and social policies are as welcome as an ice-water shower.

One of the things they could do is pass a rule that all state dem parties must do their purges of inactive members in a timely manner that yet provides for inactive dems to re-register for caucuses, primaries and other partisan elections

Another thing they could do is limit the life-time appointments of superdelegates. In particular they could require that any superdelegate who is functioning as a lobbyist loses their SD status.

Another thing the Party could do is adopt a rule which states that using the celebrity of office for profit will eliminate superdelegate status.

And they could recommend that primaries and caucuses be open to full participation of independent/unaffiliated voters.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
43. I want her to side with the majority of Americans who favor marijuana legalization
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jun 2016

And come out for full descheduling of cannabis at the federal level, instead of a token move from schedule I to II- which does not reconcile the conflict between federal law and state laws legalizing both recreational and medical.

I will vote for her either way, however, I think such a move would not only be the right thing to do, it would also be the policially astute one, particularly with regards to bringing millennials on board her campaign.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
44. Dissolve the Foundation
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

It can't exist while she (and Bill) run the executive branch.

Give it all to Habitat for Humanity.

Response to Ron Green (Original post)

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
50. Yahne Ndgo: "We don't trust what she says and we don't like what she has done."
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think there is anything she can do.

Her best chance of getting my vote is if Trump continues to be a nightmare and it's close in my state.

Sadly she will govern to the right of Obama. One of the things about Obama is that he loves all Amercans even the losers who were vicious toward him. He pitied them. HRC has identified Republicans as her enemy and it's going to unpleasant time.
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
51. Nothing really could do that
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jun 2016

I will be very quiet about the election for the next few months, except to criticize Trump

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
54. My vote does not matter
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jun 2016

I'll vote Democrat no matter what..

The vote that matters is that of my friend who voted Republican the last four elections. He's leaning towards Libertarian because he hates Trump, but will not vote for Hillary because of her association with "politics as usual".

She'll need to work on her negative factors, she'll also need to explain her inconsistencies over issues. His belief is that she's wishy washy and a follower of the lobbyist dollar.

L-

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
55. Chances are she will now move further to the center
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jun 2016

Which means she have absolutely no chance at my vote.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
56. Donating all her Wall St. speech money to victims of the Iraq war would help.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:25 PM
Jun 2016

Paying any taxes the Clinton's saved by using a fake Delaware address instead of one in NY would be nice too.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
60. Hillary can't ~do~ anything between now and the election but talk
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jun 2016

So really you are asking what can Hillary *say* to earn your vote because the doing won't start until the voting is done.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
68. She could promise the sun would set, and I'd have to ask for proof.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

Why would anyone believe the promises of a serial liar?

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
61. She's got my vote but...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jun 2016

If she truly pushes a progressive agenda I will vote for her re election.

If she appointed non bank connected people to office even more.

PufPuf23

(8,771 posts)
65. I will likely vote for Hillary Clinton but it will because Clinton is the Democratic candidate and
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jun 2016

specifically not Trump nor GOP.

There is nothing Hillary Clinton could do at this point for my trust or respect by the GE.

I am open to revise over time but have little faith.

I have voted most often in the past for candidates I did not specifically support and who championed policies that I disagreed.

I have always been a Democrat that voted for Democratic candidates.

Hillary Clinton does not represent many if not a majority of common Americans and is a danger to incite more wars.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
67. Do you really want a policy list? We are going to be here all night
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:02 AM
Jun 2016

Climate Change, Yup what you said.

Health Care, ditto

Regulation of banking, yeah, yeah I read what she has on her site, but it hardly goes far enough. We do need a wall between commercial and investment banking We did that once, but anyway. While we are at it, all those off shores, start negotiating treaties to stop that practice, This is necessary, We are talking of 13 trillion dollars slushing around in these places, Not just American, but imagine all that lost wealth? Oh and Europe is willing, so that could be a nice start.

Trust busting, start with the media. 5 media companies and the illusion of information is not such. Then there are things like yes Walmart, and the rest of them. We do have legislation in the books, use it.

Ok you want foreign trade, I want fair trade. No more NAFTAs... we really need to pull wage scales op. But we also need to realize that production has to be done in places that do not allow to externalize for effects on the environment Companies have to internalize all costs, including environmental and infrastructure degradation, This has to be in treaties. So has to be the protection of labor rights, The weakening of labor world wide has to stop.

Oh and what happens when robotics start to take over jobs in a massive scale? We need to plan for that. We also need to plan to the mass displacement of workers that is already happening due to all the previous FTAs. Oh and while at it.

We also need to reverse the now starting to be scary resegregation of American schools, and of course we need to start investing large wads of cash into urban core schools We need to make sure those schools are to par of suburban schools, Magnets and Charters are not working and are helping to accelerate the resegregation of these schools. Oh and that is revealed in a recent GAO report, like two weeks old. (Crap I read)

While we are on this issue of poor schools the school to prison pipeline has to stop.

Mass incarceration has to be reversed, We can start by ending the war on drugs. But we also need to reinvest heavily in urban cores, where families have been decimated by these practices. This may even mean getting people permanent help, and we need to get rid of the box.

On and that is just the tip of the iceberg. As I said, I could be here all night.



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