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youceyec

(394 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:48 PM Jun 2016

Bernie Risks squandering the capital hes gained

More and more each day he stays in race beyond last night. Ok, it took Hillary 4 days to drop out in 08 but in her defense, she was MUCH closer delegate popular vote wise. I think she even had more total votes? Regardless, its time. Its zero sum game he is playing. Put the ego away sir.

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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. wel if he's such a "nothing burger" why the concern?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jun 2016

aren't you supposed to be concerning yourselves with Trump?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Bernie stays in all the way
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary is a quitter. Bernie is not.

It's not Bernie's fault fewer people voted. So who's to blame?

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
7. Ummm politicians are suppose to try to get people to vote.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jun 2016

So yes it is kind of Bernie's fault that more people didn't show up for him.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. He got 10 million more votes than ever
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary got millions less than 8 years ago.

Looks to me like Hillary is a failure at getting more people involved. But then all I have to go on is facts.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Barely
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

What is about facts that are not acceptable?

Thing is: democracy, as evidenced by vote numbers, is in decline. The old leaders are to blame, not the new ones.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
8. He is going to lose DC miserably... Why does he want to go out that way.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jun 2016

Which leads me to believe he has a longer game. He is not going to suspend until the convention... Just like he's been saying...

I hope I am wrong.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
9. Bernie is staying in until the convention. He may want his name put in nomination.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

And have a floor demonstration like the old days, and then he'll come to the podium and withdraw and ask for a nomination by acclamation. He doesn't need to drop out for it to be over. His speeches are about his issues and anti-Trump. There will be no anti-Clinton comments.

This is no big deal, except it will make the convention more entertaining. I loved watching those floor demonstrations in the 50's and 60's and 70's. Ronald Reagan went to the '76 convention opposing Jerry Ford when Ford had it sewn up.

Enjoy.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
14. I like that idea
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016

I thought it was cool the way they did it in 2008.

Bernie can suspend his campaign and endorse Hillary without releasing his delegates. I don't want him to release his delegates until right before the convention at the earliest. If for some reason Hillary is unable to serve (which I don't think is likely and am not hoping for), Bernie has a much better chance of being nominated if he holds onto his delegates.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
11. Only with those he had no capital with anyway.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

And the notion that he's somehow "forced" the Democratic establishment to advance progressive positions is laughable...

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
12. That is my concern as well
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jun 2016

John Edwards made the mistake in 2008 of waiting too long to endorse so that his endorsement had a lot less value. Of course, after the scandal broke nobody wanted his endorsement anyway.

But I think the contrasts people try to draw with 2008 are a distinction without a difference. Why does it matter that it was closer? At the end of the day, after everyone had voted, it was clear that Hillary lost. Why does it matter how much?

I don't want to relitigate the 2008 primaries (there's enough tension in here over 2016!), but her claim to be "ahead in the popular vote" was really misleading. She included votes from Michigan, where Obama was not even on the ballot, but excluded voters in caucus states that did not release raw vote totals (but could have been estimated rather than excluded).

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. the voting isn't over yet, and he's already beginning to land the plane.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016

that said, he's not a transactional politician, so cutting deals and maximizing capital isn't how he thinks.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
19. Give it a break already.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders campaign has made it clear that there will be no decision for a least a few days -- and probably not until after the primary in DC.

I'm tired of all the premature reactions to a decision that is in the process of being made; tired of the declarations about what he "has to" do. They'll will be plenty of time for the pundits, party "leaders," and DUers to applaud or lambaste him for his decision after he has actually made it in a week or so.

In the days leading up to the California primary, aides to Sanders said that the senator was planning a rally in D.C. ahead of its primary-the last on the calendar-and would spend the next few days considering what his options are and preparing for the convention. link
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