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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:54 AM Jun 2016

RCP general election polls graph: Clinton starting to pull away from Trump



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

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Perhaps the impact of the "Mexican judge" scandal beginning to show. I expect her numbers to improve even more in the next round of polls. Sanders argument that she is vulnerable in the general is starting to fade.
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RCP general election polls graph: Clinton starting to pull away from Trump (Original Post) DCBob Jun 2016 OP
Better Idea: Ignore RCP and head to the More Accurate Pollster (Clinton +4) Stallion Jun 2016 #1
I think they capture all polls from all reputable pollsters. DCBob Jun 2016 #2
No Its a Different Bundle of Polls That Make Up Their Composites-That's why there is about a 2 point Stallion Jun 2016 #4
Looks like Huffington Post is missing the ABC/WashPost poll 5/16-19 with Hillary down 2. DCBob Jun 2016 #5
Nope Its in There-Pollster Tracks More Polls So You've Got to Scroll Down Stallion Jun 2016 #7
Yes, I do see it now. DCBob Jun 2016 #10
Discussion/Criticism of How Off RCP Was Before the 2012 Election Stallion Jun 2016 #9
Thanks.. I didnt realize there was such a big issue with RCP. DCBob Jun 2016 #13
Huffington Post Pollster includes all polls in their average. RCP includes only some. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #32
Yes, I noticed that now. It didnt realize it before. DCBob Jun 2016 #34
I believe they had those 2 polls from California.... LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #44
Good she's pulling ahead MattP Jun 2016 #3
Yep. Its going to get better and better. DCBob Jun 2016 #6
They've been attacking Trump and the attacks against Clinton are only beginning. Skwmom Jun 2016 #8
Huh?? They have been attacking Hillary nonstop 7x24 for months and years. DCBob Jun 2016 #14
Come on. Bernie didn't lay a glove on her and the corporate media is a branch of the Clinton Skwmom Jun 2016 #20
Bernie didnt have to... RW media and the GOPers did it for him. DCBob Jun 2016 #21
Does it bother you at all leftynyc Jun 2016 #29
It's not about whether Bernie attacked her, the media's been attacking her constantly for 25 years. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #33
she was the boogeyman of the entire Republican primary Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #36
lol, yes, they just began 25 years ago TwilightZone Jun 2016 #16
Not quite GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #11
Yes, we should see a nice bump in the next round of polls from the Berners-for-Hillary. DCBob Jun 2016 #15
I hope she continues to do so, then I won't have to vote for her Nictuku Jun 2016 #12
You know what? Who cares and enough. Democratic board and we are having fun with OUR seabeyond Jun 2016 #18
We had to clear away distraction to put the two side by side. This is going to get fun. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #17
Yep.. I am looking forward to that! DCBob Jun 2016 #19
The landslide win for Hillary and democrats starts to build workinclasszero Jun 2016 #22
And so do delusions! imagine2015 Jun 2016 #25
The 90s called itsrobert Jun 2016 #27
You must have been asleep ..... LenaBaby61 Jun 2016 #47
Its gonna be Hillary vs Trump choose a side workinclasszero Jun 2016 #49
It's only a matter of time Miles Archer Jun 2016 #24
And, This is before the biggest impact of Trump attacking the Judge for being Mexican stevenleser Jun 2016 #26
No doubt. DCBob Jun 2016 #28
Next week's polls should show if there's any movement, of course those will still be geek tragedy Jun 2016 #30
Absolutely. DCBob Jun 2016 #31
margin of error... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #35
Trends baby.. trends! DCBob Jun 2016 #37
Trending to break even... against TRUMP HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #38
Not the way I see it! DCBob Jun 2016 #39
Of course not... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #40
Give it time.. you will come around also. DCBob Jun 2016 #41
Facts are your friend HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #42
Facts.. DCBob Jun 2016 #45
FACTS: polling at dead even HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #46
"None of those bullet items change her unfavorables..." DCBob Jun 2016 #48
That is not "break even." To claim it is makes you a liar. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #43

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
1. Better Idea: Ignore RCP and head to the More Accurate Pollster (Clinton +4)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

RCP had Romney leading for 10 days until the Eve of Election. RCP has a more conservative bundle of polls with a conservative lean

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
4. No Its a Different Bundle of Polls That Make Up Their Composites-That's why there is about a 2 point
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016

difference

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. Looks like Huffington Post is missing the ABC/WashPost poll 5/16-19 with Hillary down 2.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

That appears to be the difference. Why would HuffPost/Pollster leave that one out?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. Yes, I do see it now.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

Looks like HuffPost/Pollster includes more pollsters than RCP.. eg.. Morning Consult, NBC/Survey Monkey, and YouGov. Other than that they are the same.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. Thanks.. I didnt realize there was such a big issue with RCP.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

I know they tracked a bit differently but I didnt think it was significant.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
32. Huffington Post Pollster includes all polls in their average. RCP includes only some.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jun 2016

And I'm not clear on exactly what standard RCP uses on which to include.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
44. I believe they had those 2 polls from California....
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

Showing that Hillary was only 1-2 points up on Bernie, and as we saw that wasn't the case at all. Hillary in a romp in California. I believe the last poll, the ARG poll which leans right said that Bernie was only 1 point down in California. Also, it's a bit too early for me and "BIG" polling. Secondly, what type of methodology is the polling firm using? Do they poll too far left or right? Do they poll a large enough number and cross section of respondents? MoE is also important as well.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
20. Come on. Bernie didn't lay a glove on her and the corporate media is a branch of the Clinton
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

campaign.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
29. Does it bother you at all
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

That you're using the EXACT same words as drudge, breitbart, free republic? You think the press that has given donnie a free ride for almost a year now is a branch of the Clinton campaign?

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
33. It's not about whether Bernie attacked her, the media's been attacking her constantly for 25 years.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

The idea that the media is pro-Clinton is a joke, the media has hated both Bill & Hillary ever since they entered the national stage. Look back to the 90s when every scandal du jour was obsessively covered no matter how obviously bullshit it might be. Hasn't changed that since Bill left office either, just slowed down slightly because they weren't as high-profile. With Hillary as a candidate the smear-Clinton media machine revved back up right on cue.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. Not quite
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016

They started in 1991!! I remember them very well.

She has taken their best shot and is still standing.

Response to DCBob (Original post)

Nictuku

(3,610 posts)
12. I hope she continues to do so, then I won't have to vote for her
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

If in November, the polls reflect that she will win California by a large margin, I won't have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

I mean, California voters don't seem to matter, anyway, as witnessed just this last Tuesday.

(I'm sure the AP will announce her as the winner long before I will be able to get to my polling place after work anyway).

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. You know what? Who cares and enough. Democratic board and we are having fun with OUR
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Democratic candidate.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. The landslide win for Hillary and democrats starts to build
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jun 2016

And Herr Trump is just getting warmed up!

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
25. And so do delusions!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jun 2016

Wish it was true but Trump and the Republican Party haven't even started their attacks on Hillary's dishonesty, lies, 150 million in William and Hillary Clinton corporate speaking fees, the Clinton Foundation, etc.,

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
47. You must have been asleep .....
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016

From the 1990's on.

Like Trump doesn't have baggage and scandal on his doorstep and in his closet

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
49. Its gonna be Hillary vs Trump choose a side
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jun 2016

This is a democratic party board.

The republicans can go to hell and takes their lies and propaganda with them.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
24. It's only a matter of time
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jun 2016

I don't believe the "Mexican Judge" thing represents the "worst" of Trump...I don't think we've seen that yet.

If he survives this, and if his numbers go back up, the next atrocity will be worse.

At some point, he'll do himself in, although I can't understand why that hasn't already happened. for me, the ruminations over Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle was more than enough.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
26. And, This is before the biggest impact of Trump attacking the Judge for being Mexican
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016

That is going to be a big deal

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. No doubt.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

Also the impact of Hillary winning it all Tuesday night will give her a nice bump as well.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. Next week's polls should show if there's any movement, of course those will still be
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jun 2016

June polls which are of limited probative value.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
35. margin of error...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

she's not 'pulling away'...

she's still dead even against TRUMP.... TRUMP for cryin' out loud...

doesn't the reality that HRC is within margin of error on this 'latest poll' as to be dead even with TRUMP?

that fact that the reality of her unfavorables has made her so toxic should be the main posts, how do we correct the toxicity of her unfavorables.... how does HRC become more appealing? What does HRC need to do to better to win over people and gain favorability?

Why HRC supporters aren't focused on that here in DU is stunning

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
40. Of course not...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

there isn't a mathmatical exception that can break through your rose colored glasses as it pertains to the facts

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
42. Facts are your friend
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

I'll stick to my friends, the facts, they are always the best guide, this 'coming around' would require leaving my friends.. and that's something I'm not willing to do, for anybody

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
45. Facts..
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

-- Warren is going to endorse Hillary
-- Bernie is going to endorse Hillary
-- Obama is going to endorse Hillary
-- Trump is an ignorant fraud
-- The GOP is self destructing

All those facts indicate Hillary will win this in a massive landslide!

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
46. FACTS: polling at dead even
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

you post endorsements whereas I post facts as it pertains to public perception, how much 'importance' do those bullet items you just posted change the dead even aspect HRC is polling against TRUMP?

None of those bullet items change her unfavorables...

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