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Hillary now addressing Planned Parenthood. I hope all are hearing this. (Original Post) Hekate Jun 2016 OP
Here's at least one link for this. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #1
Thanks! Hekate Jun 2016 #2
Thank you! PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #15
She's giving a beautiful and historic speech! MoonRiver Jun 2016 #3
Mom's genealogy research turned up one poor soul a century ago... Hekate Jun 2016 #5
Horrible! MoonRiver Jun 2016 #9
Is she going to explain her position on abortion? lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #4
She never proposed a ban on shit. She defended it as a fundamental right. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #6
Nothing like misquoting and taking out of context Hekate Jun 2016 #7
And that decision should be up to the doctor and the patient lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #11
To quote a great DUer on this: PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #13
"settled law" lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #16
No shit it's being eaten away. She never did or would propose it. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #17
Which means that is is NOT settled law. lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #22
She been nothing short of a champion on reproductive freedom. You're using your silly interpretation PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #24
If you think she's not going to fight hard enough, you don't know anything about HRC.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #19
After the convention she will shift to the Center AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #26
Never. She chose PP to make her first major speech after winning California. Hekate Jun 2016 #29
That is a ridiculous assertion, her past says otherwise. bettyellen Jun 2016 #35
Awesome quote, Nikki! bettyellen Jun 2016 #20
Can you point me to a nation that allows an unfettered right to abortion up to the moment of birth? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #23
Her position is right on with Roe v. Wade gollygee Jun 2016 #31
Her position is clearly spelled out in her platform with great clarity and little ambiguity. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #10
And I've watched her be interviewed for TV lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #12
You have no idea of what you speak PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #14
Please go ahead and call me a liar. lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #18
She was talking about if the GOP would put a bill in front of her with exceptions PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #21
It's more likely you heard what you wished to hear because of your dislike for her Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #25
She said that she would support a constitutional amendment glowing Jun 2016 #32
Life or health. gollygee Jun 2016 #33
Sanders stance is no restrictions, and that would have hit him in the ass. Not too well thought out. bettyellen Jun 2016 #36
I voted for Sanders and I think he would have won the general if he'd won the primary gollygee Jun 2016 #37
I like Sanders but am happy with Hillary. I think she stands in starker contrast to Trump... bettyellen Jun 2016 #38
no PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #34
Derp? Dem2 Jun 2016 #30
She was terrific mcar Jun 2016 #8
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #27
Wonderful speech. auntpurl Jun 2016 #28

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. She's giving a beautiful and historic speech!
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jun 2016

My maternal aunt died in a botched illegal abortion, before I was born. It destroyed my aunt's family and left three children motherless. This is personal!

Hekate

(91,774 posts)
5. Mom's genealogy research turned up one poor soul a century ago...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

...who was left to die in an alley after an abortion.



MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
9. Horrible!
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

My aunt was married, but this happened during a time of economic downturn, and they absolutely could not afford a 4th child. I think she bled to death at home. My grandparents completely fell apart, and blamed my uncle, who took his kids and disappeared from the rest of us. Only after the kids were grown, and grandparents and uncle had passed, did we cousins reunite. My mother talked about this throughout my childhood. She was very close to my aunt and I know was terribly hurt by this completely needless tragedy. My aunt SHOULD have been able to get a safe abortion, no questions asked.

lapfog_1

(29,316 posts)
4. Is she going to explain her position on abortion?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

including her proposed ban on "partial birth abortions"?

Hekate

(91,774 posts)
7. Nothing like misquoting and taking out of context
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

Late term abortions are extremely rare, difficult for the doctor, and dangerous for the mother. They are only done if the life of the mother is at stake, the fetus has defects incompatible with life, or the fetus is already dead and decaying in utero.

However, anti choice fanatics like to portray this as infanticide of a darling Gerber Baby, and they and their surrogates in the MSM like to ambush pro choice politicians with this line of questioning.

Feel better?

lapfog_1

(29,316 posts)
11. And that decision should be up to the doctor and the patient
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jun 2016

and not up to law makers.

And Hillary has said in the past that she would favor a law on this. I am wondering if she is going to clarify that position.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
13. To quote a great DUer on this:
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

"Intelligent women who have heard her on the abortion issue know that she is accurately reflecting the state of the law for the last 40 years in this nation.... like it or not the state has the right to restrict abortion past the point of viability. It's settled law and that's not going to change.

Women who know reproductive law like me understand exactly what Hillary is saying. That you refuse to accept my expertise and the expertise of organizations like Planned Parenthood doesn't win any points for your argument.

In your attempt to explain reproductive law you only show your shallow understanding of it." ~msanthrope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2157046

lapfog_1

(29,316 posts)
16. "settled law"
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jun 2016

which is being eaten away by Repukes at the state level at a voracious rate.

We need federal protection and aggressive action by both the federal government and the courts to keep "settled law" in place and actually reverse the trend of the last decade or so on this matter.

I am hoping that Hillary supports a woman's right to choose AND the ability to exercise that right and the expectation of privacy between her and her doctor on this issue... not just "we need to maintain settled law".

PP could find itself with no federal funding in many states even with President Clinton. It's not that she would propose this, its only that she might not fight hard enough to reverse the trend.

lapfog_1

(29,316 posts)
22. Which means that is is NOT settled law.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

settled law doesn't change over time... when new state laws are proposed, the courts strike it down based on tons of court cases which decide in favor of the "settled law".

Which is why I am wondering if Hillary is addressing what she will do as President to REVERSE the trend... or if she will only maintain the present state of affairs (which are much different than when my girlfriend had an abortion in 1979 when we were stupid teenagers in college).

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. If you think she's not going to fight hard enough, you don't know anything about HRC....
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jun 2016

Sadly it is Sanders who wastes our time with inaction and hollow promises.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,729 posts)
23. Can you point me to a nation that allows an unfettered right to abortion up to the moment of birth?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

The SCOTUS in Roe V Wade established a schedule that weighs the rights of the mother versus the viability of the fetus. The further along in pregnancy the female is the greater the interest of the state.

It's right wingers who try to obfuscate the issue and portray those who support a woman's right to choose as favoring infanticide.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
31. Her position is right on with Roe v. Wade
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

And when you find a major party presidential candidate who doesn't think there should be any restrictions on abortion at all at any time, you let me know.

I'll be waiting.

I assure you Trump doesn't fit that standard.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. Her position is clearly spelled out in her platform with great clarity and little ambiguity.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

Her position is clearly spelled out in her platform with great clarity and little ambiguity. If you are unable to comprehend, decipher or infer a sixth-grade level of reading, you may wish to attend evening classes for further education.

lapfog_1

(29,316 posts)
18. Please go ahead and call me a liar.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jun 2016

I watched the interview. She was not opposed to a federal ban on certain abortions.

She may have been pandering to the conservatives but her language in the interview was... not reassuring.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
21. She was talking about if the GOP would put a bill in front of her with exceptions
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

A) that's about as likely as happening as unicorns flying out of my ass and she knows that
B) She never fucking proposed a ban and that is EXACTLY what you said - it's a lie (http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512171205#post4)

Maru Kitteh

(28,376 posts)
25. It's more likely you heard what you wished to hear because of your dislike for her
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

The brain is rather devious that way.

History, and facts refute you.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
32. She said that she would support a constitutional amendment
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

that made late term abortions illegal with the exception to threatening the life of the mother. Which is an extremely narrow window and actually takes away the ability of a woman to choose to abort, as example, if the baby has no stem brain. Going full term and having the baby die once born is not threatening to a woman's life, however the choice to be able to abort a non-viable fetus ought to be available to a woman. And that was for a constitutional ammendment; not just a bill floating they congress. Once an ammendment is in the constitution, it's hard to remove.

And what does that do for anyone. Pandering to the Republicans like that will never bring those right to life loony toons to ever vote for a Democrat. And what bill would be so instrumental in passing that a constitutional amendment should be placed in the constitution to take away rights of women?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
33. Life or health.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

Not just life.

And I'd love a politician who supports completely unrestricted access to abortion at any time, however we are very unlikely to find one on a major party presidential ticket. We certainly don't have one now. She is much better than Trump.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
36. Sanders stance is no restrictions, and that would have hit him in the ass. Not too well thought out.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jun 2016

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
37. I voted for Sanders and I think he would have won the general if he'd won the primary
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

However, it's irrelevant now as the choice is between Hillary and Trump. Hillary is obviously far preferable to Trump.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
38. I like Sanders but am happy with Hillary. I think she stands in starker contrast to Trump...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jun 2016

I just think that the two guys would fight it out for te disgruntled male vote while the Dem base would rather have HRC. Gotta respect the base.

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