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Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:24 AM

Why picking a female VP would be advantageous to Hillary

Ok, maybe I'm the only odd ball who thinks this, but I think that Hillary should pick a woman for VP, and if not Warren, then some other female politician.

I just think that would truly be a historic national ticket, not one but two women, and so interesting to watch a race between the "women ticket" against the traditional "white male ticket", (because I'm pretty sure Trump will choose another white male for his VP)

Would that be a fascinating contest, or what?

And, since women outnumber men as far as the US population goes, it would seem to hold a big advantage for Hillary to do something like this.

Am I way off base, or what?

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Reply Why picking a female VP would be advantageous to Hillary (Original post)
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 OP
flor-de-jasmim Jun 2016 #1
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #4
justiceischeap Jun 2016 #8
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #9
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #22
metroins Jun 2016 #31
Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #2
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #5
athena Jun 2016 #14
Madam Mossfern Jun 2016 #3
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #6
Madam Mossfern Jun 2016 #7
Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #28
woolldog Jun 2016 #10
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #12
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #11
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #13
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #15
BooScout Jun 2016 #16
Ino Jun 2016 #17
randr Jun 2016 #18
seabeyond Jun 2016 #19
davidn3600 Jun 2016 #20
seabeyond Jun 2016 #25
davidn3600 Jun 2016 #29
seabeyond Jun 2016 #33
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #21
seabeyond Jun 2016 #26
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #23
oberliner Jun 2016 #24
Skinner Jun 2016 #27
oberliner Jun 2016 #34
Tikki Jun 2016 #30
SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #32

Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:32 AM

1. I think there is a large group of men who would

Hope for a man on the ticket to have a moderating influence (that should have been in quotes). Two women on the ticket might be too radical for them.

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:35 AM

4. yea, I suppose so. I won't even then say what my other really radical idea was then, heh

that is, for Hillary to pick a woman of color as her VP!

Even I can see that may be too radical still, even for today's America, lol.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:42 AM

8. Or, gasp, a lesbian!!!! nt

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:45 AM

9. touché! Now you're talkin'

now that would be radical! Even more than say, picking a self described atheist. Automatic doom and big loss, even in today's America...

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:06 AM

22. Michelle Obama

I've said on DU a number of times i think she might be a more aggressive President than her husband.

She's smart as hell, knows where the levers of power are hidden after eight years as first spouse, has Barack as a literal kitchen cabinet and is attractive to boot.

What's not to love?

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:46 AM

31. As a rational man

I don't think men care whether it's 1 woman or 2 or 0.

It's not even a factor in my vote or other men that I know of.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:33 AM

2. I think it would be stupid if she was only looking for a woman

 

Pick the best person for the job. Often for a VP, that means they need to come from a swing state, and help balance out the ticket. If it happens to be a woman, great, but she shouldn't pick somebody just because she is a woman.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:36 AM

5. fair enough.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:59 AM

14. For some reason, it's OK when men are only looking for men.

No one even asks whether gender is the reason they are picking a man. Choosing someone for their gender only becomes a problem when the gender in question is female.

In other words, men are free to benefit from male mentorship and influence, but when a woman tries to be a mentor to other women and use her influence to help other women succeed, suddenly people start crying, "Sexist!" "Unfair!" "She's not the best person for the job!"

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:34 AM

3. I think that's a silly reason

It bothers me when her supporters emphasize that she should be supported because she's a woman. Yes a woman President would be a first, but being a demographic first is not a valid reason for supporting a candidate. Hillary should pick a running mate who will do well in the debate between Vice Presidential candidates, will be a ferocious attack dog for her when necessary, and whom she know the electorate will agree would be a good President if for some reason Clinton can no longer serve.

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Response to Madam Mossfern (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:37 AM

6. I like your answer, and I tend to agree.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:39 AM

7. IMHO

That doesn't rule out Elizabeth Warren.

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Response to Madam Mossfern (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:38 AM

28. For me, if two candidates are equal, I will vote for the woman first.

Men have dominated long enough.
Being a woman does not decide my vote, but it is a point I consider when i look the policies a candidate champions.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:47 AM

10. Are you trying to lose the GE?

 

Hillary can't win by speaking to women alone. She needs to keep her losing margin with men respectable. A two female ticket won't do that. It's not going to win her any more female votes. And it will further alienate men.

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Response to woolldog (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:52 AM

12. Ok, but I have seen a lot of talk about Warren being considered for VP

I am not the only one proposing it! That is for damn sure.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:50 AM

11. If one is psychologically consumed by demographics....

 

>>>Would that be a fascinating contest, or what? >>>>

it's fascinating as HELL.

To people who have grown up, out and/or beyond that.... well, they might be more concerned w. issues (REAL issues, not ID politics), qualifications, temperament, political philosophy, economic philosophy, etc.

Grown-up stuff, in other words.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:59 AM

13. The notion that Hillary needs a man...

to balance the ticket and make her candidacy somehow more palatable?

No one recognizes the casual sexism inherent in this position?

Hillary is our Democratic nominee. She just happens to be a woman. Which is great, and historic, and all.

Elizabeth Warren has come out swinging at Trump harder and stronger than anyone else, her 'progressive' Wall Street vs Main Street credentials are impeccable, she is already well-recognized nationally...and she just happens to be a woman.

Add it all up, and Clinton/Warren would be a dynamic candidacy of two experienced, qualified candidates unmatched by any of the Republican candidates!

And if an "all female" Democratic ticket inspires you in any way, good for you! 44 men and counting, right?

It can be, and should be, nothing but a positive attribute here in the 21st Century!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:04 AM

15. good post.

I felt like I was fighting a losing battle here...heh.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:14 AM

16. Hillary should pick the best qualified VP that will help to unite the party....

I can't think of anyone more qualified and one who could help unite the party better than Warren. That she happens to be a woman has nothing to do with it.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:22 AM

17. What a splendid idea!!!

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:47 AM

18. Hillary along with the DNC

will pick the candidate that delivers the most EC votes. Geography, ethnicity, and populism are the key factors. She already has the gender issue covered.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:49 AM

19. I didn't like the idea being conditioned in the patriarchy along with the rest, but upon

 

consideration I have been really liking this idea. People that won't vote for women, won't vote for Clinton whether there is another woman on the ticket or not. Strong voices of women to be heard all this time, would be great. One of the nifty I have seen in this primary, is so many of the voices are women, and that has been a blast.

Optically, it will not have the image of the man, VP, being in the supportive role we see so much with women, but two women in autonomy.

The glass ceiling not only broken, or shattered, but obliterated.

I have since really come to love the idea of two woman ticket.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:59 AM

20. An all-female jury aquitted George Zimmerman

 

This idea that women have more wisdom than men is a bit sexist and ridiculous. There is no evidence that one gender would be any better than the other as a leader. Candidates should be chosen for their character and qualifications, not their gender or their race or their perceived elecatability.

Do you disagree?

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:28 AM

25. All women... Zimmerman. OK? Second, "women have more wisdom than men" Your argument, not mine.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:38 AM

29. Im just pointing out the sexism you seem to be oblivious to. That's all.

 

I think it is safe to assume you want an all-female ticket. That's what is most important to you that a specific gender is leading the way.

Your words, not mine...
I have since really come to love the idea of two woman ticket.


Isn't that just as bad as someone here saying they 'love the idea of an all-male ticket?'

Maybe you can be so kind to clarify what you mean here?

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:29 PM

33. David, you give me a whole lot of things I do not think or state, and I do not play this game.

 

It is manipulative, dishonest, wrong, ... So why would I waste time with it?

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:03 AM

21. It would certainly appeal to the "identity politics" crowd.

 

For me, it would depend entirely on the woman chosen. And I can't really think of any that would make Hillary even remotely palatable...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:29 AM

26. then do not vote for her. Otherwise, you post is empty of anything really. I do not get it.

 

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:13 AM

23. Michelle Obama

I've said on DU a number of times i think she might be a more aggressive President than her husband.

She's smart as hell, knows where the levers of power are hidden after eight years as first spouse, has Barack as a literal kitchen cabinet and is attractive to boot.

What's not to love?



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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:16 AM

24. Why do you think Trump will choose a white male?

 

I would imagine he would choose a person of color, and possibly a female.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:32 AM

27. Paul Manafort already called it "pandering"

Paul Manafort, a top aide to Donald Trump, said the presumptive Republican nominee is unlikely to pick a woman or minority for the position because "that would be viewed as pandering, I think."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/politics/paul-manafort-donald-trump-vice-president/

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Response to Skinner (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:44 PM

34. Trump has been known to defy his advisors

 

I guess the most likely scenario is that he would pick a white male, but who knows.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:40 AM

30. I would like to see a young up and coming star of the Democratic Party.


Someone like Julian Castro or Kamala Harris.



Tikki

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:15 PM

32. Trump may choose a female

I think he/they are clueless enough to think that would dispel some of the outrage people have about his attitude toward, and comments about, women.
Then, he could say "See my woman" like he pointed out "my African American" to show he wasn't racist.

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