2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary voted AGAINST CAFTA, the only trade agreement she had an opportunity to vote on.
This is another thing I didn't know. Two today. Where was all this info months ago? Buried under a Bernie mud slide, I guess.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)I suppose some people thought she should have been the first to say something against it.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)She left office before TPP was actually written and upon seeing the finished product decided she couldn't support it.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)According to your post she judged something as the "gold standard" before it was finished? Judgement has been a common theme this primary season...this is another example of her bad judgement.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)If you didn't know it it is because you didn't make the (minimal) effort to find it out.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)And she supported two other trade deals that she didn't vote on because she was busy running for President in 2008.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)And the dates involved.
bhikkhu
(10,715 posts)Its not exhaustive but it has enough information to form an opinion from, I think. Hillary has supported some trade agreements and not supported others, basically taking them on a case by case basis. The article gives some of her statements as reasoning; generally that an agreement is good if it protects labor rights and the environment on both sides, good if the other government has a good human rights record, and good if it protects or expands jobs in the US. Bad if it does the opposite of any of those. I'm ok with that.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)One of the 2011 emails from Clinton to U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman and Clinton aide Robert Hormats has a subject line Sandy Levin a reference to the Democratic congressman who serves on the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees U.S. trade policy. In the email detailing her call with Levin, she said the Michigan lawmaker appreciates the changes that have been made, the national security arguments and Santos's reforms -- the latter presumably a reference to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos. She concludes the message about the call with Levin by saying, I told him that at the rate we were going, Columbian [sic] workers were going to end up w the same or better rights than workers in Wisconsin and Indiana and, maybe even, Michigan.
Froman a former Citigroup executive who as trade representative was lobbying for passage of the deal responded by thanking Clinton for her "help and support. Hormats, a former vice chairman of Goldman Sachs who subsequently was hired by Clinton at the State Department, later chimed in, telling her terrific job and GREAT line on Columbian [sic] workers!!!!!
http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068
Clinton explained her seemingly inconsistent positions in a 2005 speech to Congress: "The U.S.-Jordan Free Trade Agreement included internationally recognized enforceable labor standards in the text of the agreement. Sadly, DR-CAFTA is a step backward."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/10/bernie-s/clinton-voted-virtually-every-trade-agreement-kill/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)If you notice they often make such statements w/o links.
You got it!!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)labor standards. She opposes trade agreements without them.
When her job was to negotiate the TPP, she tried to get them in. When the next USTR had finished negotiating, she didn't like where it ended up.
"She concludes the message about the call with Levin by saying, I told him that at the rate we were going, Columbian workers were going to end up w the same or better rights than workers in Wisconsin and Indiana and, maybe even, Michigan. "
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm not believing that's what's happening.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Because it is what's happening. And I much prefer the trade deal way than the way it's happening with China.
And here I thought it led to job losses here, slave labor conditions and environmental destruction over there.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though I concede that in practice it's probably too late to unring that bell.
US trade deals have improved the labor and environmental standards of the signatory countries. That's the entire point. Trade with China and India, in contrast, have made those standards worse in those countries.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy.
End tax breaks for outsourcing jobs.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)At least the original one in the 1990's wasn't. Not sure about this one, but I know that even the AFL-CIO supported a trade deal with Jordan during Bill's presidency.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to the Clinton supporters way back in April and May. An accusation, I hunted down the Clinton supporters who would them provide the truth or the whole story. Man, did it flip my then reality upside down. So I hear ya.